Wait, are you trying to say that the REPUBLICANS are being responsible here?
You cannot possibly be serious. If people are this delusional about what's going on, we are in deep, deep trouble.
I am not using party as political; think of a marriage if you want.
One must live within their means; you do not keep spending without a way of paying for it. Cutting back hurts but it is the fiscal responsible thing to be done.
And looking for excuses to not cut back does not accomplish anything toward the goal.
Wait, are you trying to say that the REPUBLICANS are being responsible here?
You cannot possibly be serious. If people are this delusional about what's going on, we are in deep, deep trouble.
Of course the republicians are being responsible.
Show me a place where democrats have held power for a long time, and I will show you a place that is bankrupt.
Republicans are fighting this deficit spending in the wrong arena. The spending is already authorized. Using the debt ceiling as a way to cut spending is the worst way to go about it. But that doesnt surprise me they keep banging their head against the wall and losing the public on this potential move.
If they are serious about cutting the deficits and size of govt. The time to do it is when authorizing a budget. Or in the time of Obama apporpriation bills.
But I dont think they want to truely cut spending anyways. So dont expect any meaningful cuts to come from that party.
Republicans are fighting this deficit spending in the wrong arena. The spending is already authorized. Using the debt ceiling as a way to cut spending is the worst way to go about it. But that doesnt surprise me they keep banging their head against the wall and losing the public on this potential move.
If they are serious about cutting the deficits and size of govt. The time to do it is when authorizing a budget. Or in the time of Obama apporpriation bills.
But I dont think they want to truely cut spending anyways. So dont expect any meaningful cuts to come from that party.
Look, you need to realize something. Enough of the American public, who has been raised to think of today and not tomorrow, generations over now at this point, has been bought with things they never should have had, and the "bill has been 'paid'" with debt. There is no plan to ever pay this debt off. Ever. The Politicians in charge understand this. Their job is simply to keep the populace con game going. How long you ask? Infinitely. Because if the populace were ever to have to feel the affects of not blowing insane amounts of money we don't have, of not actually living not within just their own means, but, the Govs (Fed, state, and local) living within their means, that would be a shitstorm of epic proportions.
You are either ignorant or delusional. None of what you've written makes any sense.
IIRC, we've been juggling since early this year. The upcoming deadline is when even juggling won't be enough.
We went well past the ceiling/deadline that time and the Treas Sec had to do quite a bit of 'juggling' to keep things together. So, yes, we rolled over debt into new. I.e. default on outstanding debt isn't an issue; issuing new/additional future debt is.
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So you're talking about appropriations again. Although I think that cutting appropriations in our current situation is exceptionally foolish, that is a different discussion.
So we both agree that Republicans threatening not to raise the debt ceiling is extremely irresponsible, right?
Insults, the last resort of a weak mind.
I expected more from you.
You have no valid argument supporting the government driving itself or its citizens into debt.
"The fact that we're here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Leadership means 'The buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit"
Your boy.
Those aren't insults, those are statements of fact. This entire thread is filled with many, many people giving you piles of valid arguments as to why your position is insane. You have been unable to come up with a single valid argument as to why provoking a worldwide financial crisis is the way to go with here. Instead, you just edit out the arguments you can't answer.
Why can't you provide any credible sources that advocate the same position that you have?
My stance is insane because I do not want the government piling debt on my kids and grandkids?
No. We've already been over this.
Provide sources that back up your policy preference as being a good idea.
We have been through this.
You provide sources stating massive government debt is good.
Staying out of debt should be common sense.
My stance is insane because I do not want the government piling debt on my kids and grandkids?
Do you realize every dollar for the next three generations of tax payers has already been spent?
But for some reason we are supposed to be happy about the government raising the debt ceiling? Hurray, the debt ceiling has been raised, now we owe even more taxes!!! And I am supposed to support that madness?
My stance is insane because I do not want the government piling debt on my kids and grandkids?
Do you realize every dollar for the next three generations of tax payers has already been spent?
But for some reason we are supposed to be happy about the government raising the debt ceiling? Hurray, the debt ceiling has been raised, now we owe even more taxes!!! And I am supposed to support that madness?
Staying out of debt should be common sense.
No. We are discussing raising the debt limit or not. Links to authoritative sources saying that not raising the debt limit would be catastrophic are a dime a dozen.
Provide sources that back up what you're saying. You won't do this because you can't. Why? Because every credible source out there knows your ideas are insane.
Your stance is insane because you are WRONG and when you are corrected instead of changing your understanding you state how you WISH the government worked and then use your fantasies to justify your current opinion.
Stating wrong stuff over and over and over without updating your understanding of an issue is insane,especially since you're completely wrong about WHAT the Debt Ceiling is, and about how economics works.
And shutting down the government will solve this how again?
Lets think outside the box here, so what if the government shuts down?
Maybe the people will start paying attention to what is going on.
Stop trying to change the subject. First, the debt ceiling is not a government shutdown.
Lets think outside the box here, so what if the government shuts down?
Maybe the people will start paying attention to what is going on.
Let the government shutdown.
Maybe when the sheep go to get their food stamps filled, and the offices are closed, the people will demand real change in government.
Nothing motivates people to action like a hungry stomach.
Motivates them to do what? Steal food?...
Nothing motivates people to action like a hungry stomach.