What? No government shutdown threads?

[trenchfoot]

If the Tea Party really wanted to make a stand-you-ground statement, they should again bully Boehner into alchemizing another gov't shutdown threat via timing the next stop gap spending measure debate about four months before the '14 elections and have it drag right through election day.

It's truly amazing how the much smaller wingnut Tea Party branch of their larger parent Repub Party has been so silent in the public eye with nary a familiar gun-toting rally like they used to have, yet appear to have so much power and influence over the Repub Party leadership in their silence. I ponder in awe how Boehner and McConnell have to put up with their jobs constantly being held hostage by their own ill-conceived progeny.

Doesn't the Tea Party leaders understand how further alienated from the mainstream they appear to be every time they throw down a flailing hissy fit?

 

[Engineer]

what standard talking points? Are you really this stupid? Obama himself said that.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama...ml?.tsrc=samsungbm|0|0|0|0|0|1058285520.40586


you on the left are really fucked in the brains.

Obama will negotiate with Syria, Russia, Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc etc. Republicans? nope.

The above quote is the talking point. It has been spouted by several GOP congressmen on several programs already so it's just being passed around. I seriously doubt that you came up with that all by yourself unless you were the one who 'started it', in which case, maybe you should get the rest of the people 'using' it to give you credit for coming up with it.

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-co...-but-not-house-republicans-video-2718336.html

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...russia-and-now-iran-but-not-with-republicans/

http://www.harley-davidsonforums.com/forums/joe-mama/115129-obama-wants-negotiate.html

http://rendevouswithdestiny.blogspot.com/2013/09/boehner-asks-why-obama-will-negotiate.html

 

[EagleKeeper]

No a shutdown demonstrates the inability of congress to work together to get things done, it has nothing to do with bloat.

Last time we heard from the repubs that a shutdown was needed because of government spending getting out of hand, you don't hear a single damn peep about government spending this time around. It's pure politics.

Er, no. The budget proposed by the House doesn't actually do anything that would significantly reduce the deficit.

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The bloat is exposed as a result of the shutdown.

When the Dems say the cupboard I'd bare. It is because the refuse to open the doors to it.

 

[boomerang]

If the Tea Party really wanted to make a stand-you-ground statement, they should again bully Boehner into alchemizing another gov't shutdown threat via timing the next stop gap spending measure debate about four months before the '14 elections and have it drag right through election day.

It's truly amazing how the much smaller wingnut Tea Party branch of their larger parent Repub Party has been so silent in the public eye with nary a familiar gun-toting rally like they used to have, yet appear to have so much power and influence over the Repub Party leadership in their silence. I ponder in awe how Boehner and McConnell have to put up with their jobs constantly being held hostage by their own ill-conceived progeny.

Doesn't the Tea Party leaders understand how further alienated from the mainstream they appear to be every time they throw down a flailing hissy fit?

Your perception is not shared by everyone. There is a revolution happening right under your nose. Further, the country benefits from having political parties with widely separated points of view. The pendulum needs to swing in both directions to achieve a balance between the interests. There has been no balance for decades and we're in the mess we're in because of it.

 

[Balt]

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The bloat is exposed as a result of the shutdown.

How? Are you under the impression that the shutdown is actually going to save the government money?

 

[sixone]

Yeah. They should have just lived with that Hobson's choice

The House could have also passed an appropriations bill that didn't try to do an end-run around the normal repeal process. I think they chose poorly.

Maybe you somehow missed the fact that the framers of the Constitution set up two legislative bodies so that they would be forced to make compromises, instead of going with mob rule.

Can you name a Dem who's offering compromises? Anyone out on the Sunday talk shows, saying "if you do it this way, we'll pass it"? Just one, please.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I see republicans throwing out words like compromise. They seem to think compromise means "I get all that I want and you get none of what you want."



I'd normally expect a line like this out of one of the duller posters on this board.

It was hardly shoved through without debate in some clandestine manner. The issue itself has been discussed to death on and off for years and years. And the particular bill in question had many months of debates, amendments offered, concessions made...

Frankly, I think the ACA doesn't go far enough, but it is a step in the right direction. Health care costs and insurance costs were already rising dramatically prior to the passage of the ACA. The ACA at least tries to solve one problem - forcing everyone to have coverage to increase the insurance pool and not totally screw insurers with the 'must cover pre-exisiting conditions' provision. Are there still problems with the ACA? Yes. Can they be fixed? Probably, but that would require people actually working together and identifying the problems and then passing laws and regulations to fix those problems.

When was the final version completed?

How many days were allotted for review of the final version.

When was the final vote held.

Granted the pieces of it were talked about. But there was no final draft because the Senate could not agree in items. There were TBDs that were a result of it bring rushed out rather that working through the execution.

Then the horse trading began.

Vote #51 was traded for and the final vote called.

No one knew what was in the final until morning and then it was to late.

Reminded me of the Colts and Baltimore, slinking out of towns in the early morning hours so the deception was unseen

 

[Engineer]

Maybe you somehow missed the fact that the framers of the Constitution set up two legislative bodies so that they would be forced to make compromises, instead of going with mob rule.

Can you name a Dem who's offering compromises? Anyone out on the Sunday talk shows, saying "if you do it this way, we'll pass it"? Just one, please.

If the rolls were reversed (GOP controlling SENATE) and the DEMS controlling the House passed a bill with a CR + an extra $500 billion in new taxes as the only way that they would pass it, would you saying the same? Why or why not?

 

[IronWing]

Maybe you somehow missed the fact that the framers of the Constitution set up two legislative bodies so that they would be forced to make compromises, instead of going with mob rule.

Can you name a Dem who's offering compromises? Anyone out on the Sunday talk shows, saying "if you do it this way, we'll pass it"? Just one, please.

Why would they have to go on the Sunday morning blabfest to do this? The Senate already did that exact thing. They took out the language intolerable to them and passed the rest of the House bill.

 

[sixone]

Why would they have to go on the Sunday morning blabfest to do this? The Senate already did that exact thing. They took out the language intolerable to them and passed the rest of the House bill.

That's not "compromise". Maybe you should look it up?

 

[sixone]

If the rolls were reversed (GOP controlling SENATE) and the DEMS controlling the House passed a bill with a CR + an extra $500 billion in new taxes as the only way that they would pass it, would you saying the same? Why or why not?

If you have to make up new scenarios, instead of making a cogent argument for the one we're actually facing, find someone else to play that game.

 

[IronWing]

That's not "compromise". Maybe you should look it up?

The Senate gave the House everything they wanted except one, everything. The House members need to grow the hell up and stop wasting tax dollars on their silly tantrums.

 

[Engineer]

If you have to make up new scenarios, instead of making a cogent argument for the one we're actually facing, find someone else to play that game.

In other words, you don't like what I said so you don't want to play the game. You're a damn hypocrite....on so many levels based on your postings. If my situation were to be in play, you would be applauding the Senate GOP for doing exactly what you're blasting the Senate Dems for doing.

 

[michal1980]

The above quote is the talking point. It has been spouted by several GOP congressmen on several programs already so it's just being passed around. I seriously doubt that you came up with that all by yourself unless you were the one who 'started it', in which case, maybe you should get the rest of the people 'using' it to give you credit for coming up with it.

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-co...-but-not-house-republicans-video-2718336.html

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...russia-and-now-iran-but-not-with-republicans/

http://www.harley-davidsonforums.com/forums/joe-mama/115129-obama-wants-negotiate.html

http://rendevouswithdestiny.blogspot.com/2013/09/boehner-asks-why-obama-will-negotiate.html

Came up with it on my own.

However can you stop deflecting.


Is there anything factually wrong with the statement that Obama is willing to negotiate with plenty of bad people in the world, but not with republicans?

All you have is to deflect reality. Obama is more willing to talk with Putin and Assad, then McConnell. Is a freely elected congressman more dangerous then a guy that gassed his own people? Is that the real red line? Work with mass murderers, not with republicans. That's the kind of president we have, and the republicans are the ones unwilling to compromise according to you fools and the LMSM.

 

[michal1980]

The above quote is the talking point. It has been spouted by several GOP congressmen on several programs already so it's just being passed around. I seriously doubt that you came up with that all by yourself unless you were the one who 'started it', in which case, maybe you should get the rest of the people 'using' it to give you credit for coming up with it.

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-co...-but-not-house-republicans-video-2718336.html

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...russia-and-now-iran-but-not-with-republicans/

http://www.harley-davidsonforums.com/forums/joe-mama/115129-obama-wants-negotiate.html

http://rendevouswithdestiny.blogspot.com/2013/09/boehner-asks-why-obama-will-negotiate.html

The Senate gave the House everything they wanted except one, everything. The House members need to grow the hell up and stop wasting tax dollars on their silly tantrums.

only in your make believe world. Its more like the republicans gave the dems everything they wanted, except for one thing. And the dem's aren't willing to bend on that.

 

[Engineer]

Came up with it on my own.

Bullshit. You did not come up with that on your own and you know it.

 

[sixone]

The Senate gave the House everything they wanted except one, everything. The House members need to grow the hell up and stop wasting tax dollars on their silly tantrums.

No, compromise is when you say "this won't work, but will you agree to that instead".

 

[sixone]

In other words, you don't like what I said so you don't want to play the game. You're a damn hypocrite....on so many levels based on your postings. If my situation were to be in play, you would be applauding the Senate GOP for doing exactly what you're blasting the Senate Dems for doing.

Assume away.

 

[Brainonska511]

Maybe you somehow missed the fact that the framers of the Constitution set up two legislative bodies so that they would be forced to make compromises, instead of going with mob rule.

Can you name a Dem who's offering compromises? Anyone out on the Sunday talk shows, saying "if you do it this way, we'll pass it"? Just one, please.

Compromise isn't something that is inherently good. One guy says, "Let's kill 100 people." The other says, "Let's kill no one." Compromising says they should just kill 50, right?

Regardless, they did compromise. They passed the House's bill except for the one odious provision. But how can you comrpomise further? Republicans are already on record that they want to see the outright repeal of the ACA. Any thing they put forward to delay or deny its implementation just furthers what they want (why can't they be the ones to compromise on their views?).

 

[Engineer]

Assume away.

Then answer my question above to 'correct' my assumption?

What's the matter, don't have the guts?

I can now add coward to liar and hypocrite.

 

[michal1980]

Bullshit. You did not come up with that on your own and you know it.

I did.

You still aren't addressing the point.


Obama came out and said he will not negotiate with republicans.


So who is being inflexible.

 

[Engineer]

I did.

You still aren't addressing the point.


Obama came out and said he will not negotiate with republicans.


So who is being inflexible.

You didn't. As for inflexible, I don't really care.

 

[michal1980]

You didn't. As for inflexible, I don't really care.

you wouldn't. just up Obama's ass. Its always republicans should compromise. Obama should just dictate the terms of surrender.


And I did asshat.

 

[marvdmartian]

Republicans are to blame. Democrats are to blame. Pretty much, if you're an elected federal official in Washington DC, you're to blame. Everyone has taken a hard line, no one is willing to budge, and they're ALL wrong.

Meanwhile, federal civil servants will enjoy a couple extra days off, then go back to work once the pols have made their idiotic points, and will be paid for the days they sat at home. Then, later on this year, they'll suffer through another furlough action, like they did this summer, because the same idiots are in office.

This country reminds me of the scene in Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End, when the ships are battling inside the maelstrom. Everyone's so damn concerned about winning their little battles, that they're ignoring the fact that they're getting sucked down into a giant whirlpool of death! Just so long as they win this one battle they're fighting right this minute!!

 

[Engineer]

you wouldn't. just up Obama's ass. Its always republicans should compromise. Obama should just dictate the terms of surrender.


And I did asshat.

I don't care which side is inflexible. Never said anything about Obama or the GOP. For the record, I don't give a shit if the government shuts down or not. The only thing that pisses me off, and I've posted about it, is the fact that the military personnel won't be paid during a shutdown, which is bullshit.



You can call me an asshat because you're pissed and I'm calling you a liar because you are.