What? No government shutdown threads?

[sixone]

Then answer my question above to 'correct' my assumption?

What's the matter, don't have the guts?

I can now add coward to liar and hypocrite.

If you have anything to say about the current situation, instead of your made-up one, let's go.

Until then, feel free to lie to yourself to feel better.

 

[Engineer]

If you have anything to say about the current situation, instead of your made-up one, let's go.

Until then, feel free to lie to yourself to feel better.

I've said it...I don't care if the government shuts down or not. The military should be paid if they are required to work, period. That's my stance, period. Don't give a shit who is inflexible or not, period.

As for the 'lie' comment, I'll stand by my comments earlier until proven otherwise.

 

[Jhhnn]

The above quote is the talking point. It has been spouted by several GOP congressmen on several programs already so it's just being passed around. I seriously doubt that you came up with that all by yourself unless you were the one who 'started it', in which case, maybe you should get the rest of the people 'using' it to give you credit for coming up with it.

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-co...-but-not-house-republicans-video-2718336.html

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...russia-and-now-iran-but-not-with-republicans/

http://www.harley-davidsonforums.com/forums/joe-mama/115129-obama-wants-negotiate.html

http://rendevouswithdestiny.blogspot.com/2013/09/boehner-asks-why-obama-will-negotiate.html

Tea twit desperation from the leadership, echoed by mindless chanting from the followers.

It's not like the Iranians are threatening us, or that they're holding hostages, either. In the face of a more reasonable attitude from the Obama Admin, they've taken one themselves. Maybe, anyway.

That can't be said of the Teahadists. With them, it's like feeding the bears.

 

[sixone]

Then answer my question above to 'correct' my assumption?

What's the matter, don't have the guts?

I can now add coward to liar and hypocrite.

You can add "deadbeat", too, since you don't know what that word means, either.

 

[fskimospy]

Republicans are to blame. Democrats are to blame. Pretty much, if you're an elected federal official in Washington DC, you're to blame. Everyone has taken a hard line, no one is willing to budge, and they're ALL wrong.

Meanwhile, federal civil servants will enjoy a couple extra days off, then go back to work once the pols have made their idiotic points, and will be paid for the days they sat at home. Then, later on this year, they'll suffer through another furlough action, like they did this summer, because the same idiots are in office.

This country reminds me of the scene in Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End, when the ships are battling inside the maelstrom. Everyone's so damn concerned about winning their little battles, that they're ignoring the fact that they're getting sucked down into a giant whirlpool of death! Just so long as they win this one battle they're fighting right this minute!!

This sort of stance is a big part of the problem. Only one party is issuing demands here. Republicans are effectively demanding that Obama repeal his signature policy achievement in order to keep the government functioning. That is not a compromise, that is a ransom demand.

For the debt ceiling, republicans are demanding a wide range of policy concessions that have nothing to do with the debt in order to not unleash a worldwide financial catastrophe. This is also nothing more than a ransom demand. The democrats simply want to government to continue functioning at the same level that congress previously approved and they don't want a financial meltdown. Unless you believe that the republicans want the government to cease functioning and for the world economy to collapse, there is no compromise there.

The false equivalence that comes from attitudes like this gives the republicans cover to continue behaving badly.

 

[Engineer]

You can add "deadbeat", too, since you don't know what that word means, either.

I have no clue whether you pay your bills or not (unless your friend is really you).

 

[Jhhnn]

I've said it...I don't care if the government shuts down or not. The military should be paid if they are required to work, period. That's my stance, period. Don't give a shit who is inflexible or not, period.

As for the 'lie' comment, I'll stand by my comments earlier until proven otherwise.

Unfortunately, the military needs to realize that they're in the same boat as the rest of us, and to examine their own devotion to "conservative" ideology & the results of voting for it.

They'll get paid like everybody else. Late, but paid when everybody else gets paid. Otherwise, the Teahadists can continue to count on their support.

Don't let 'em have it.

 

[nextJin]

Unfortunately, the military needs to realize that they're in the same boat as the rest of us, and to examine their own devotion to "conservative" ideology & the results of voting for it.

They'll get paid like everybody else. Late, but paid when everybody else gets paid. Otherwise, the Teahadists can continue to count on their support.

Don't let 'em have it.

Most of us don't care considering the conservatives passed a resolution to keep paying the military, and everything else other than Obamacare.

 

[Engineer]

Most of us don't care considering the conservatives passed a resolution to keep paying the military, and everything else other than Obamacare.

I just saw that. As long as it's not an all or nothing proposition (i.e. nothing to do with Obamacare, taxes, etc.), I'm fine with that one and it should be passed to make sure that the military is paid.

 

[sixone]

I have no clue whether you pay your bills or not (unless your friend is really you).

You have no clue about my friend, either, but that hasn't stopped you.

 

[fskimospy]

Most of us don't care considering the conservatives passed a resolution to keep paying the military, and everything else other than Obamacare.

Right, which will never pass and we all know it. Only the most irresponsible people would think that it is good governance to make the repeal of legislation a requirement to keep the governed functioning.

Again, it is just important from a function of government stance that the republicans get none of their random demands. If Obama and the democrats are successful in breaking the back of this foolishness you will thank them later.

 

[Jhhnn]

Most of us don't care considering the conservatives passed a resolution to keep paying the military, and everything else other than Obamacare.

Like I said, the military needs to care, needs to realize that we're all in this together. The Teahad resolution is just an attempt to buy you off temporarily while they're fucking everybody else.

Cheer for it only if you have the moral compass of a weasel.

 

[fskimospy]

You have no clue about my friend, either, but that hasn't stopped you.

As someone who faced a large hospital bill without insurance I'm going to call BS on your story too.

 

[Engineer]

You have no clue about my friend, either, but that hasn't stopped you.

I've only got the clues that you given, and they're shaky at best. When asked for proof, you tell me to prove your statements.

Your friend:

Chooses not to buy insurance.
Hospital passes the bills on to the rest of us because she didn't pay.
Still chooses not to buy insurance.

She is a freeloading deadbeat and again, so much for personal responsibility.

 

[michal1980]

I don't care which side is inflexible. Never said anything about Obama or the GOP. For the record, I don't give a shit if the government shuts down or not. The only thing that pisses me off, and I've posted about it, is the fact that the military personnel won't be paid during a shutdown, which is bullshit.



You can call me an asshat because you're pissed and I'm calling you a liar because you are.

until you find proof of me being a liar, go and crawler back up Obama's ass.

 

[Engineer]

As someone who faced a large hospital bill without insurance I'm going to call BS on your story too.

I've faced large hospital bills WITH insurance and they didn't just 'write them off', especially before any contact was made or bill was issued to me to pay. I've paid EVERY bill that I was supposed to pay, unlike others.

 

[Engineer]

until you find proof of me being a liar, go and crawler back up Obama's ass.

Because I didn't come out and support your position directly, I'm up Obama's ass?

Are you saying that those boards as well as the congressmen on CNN this morning copied you? LOL..you're full of shit.

 

[fskimospy]

I've faced large hospital bills WITH insurance and they didn't just 'write them off', especially before any contact was made or bill was issued to me to pay. I've paid EVERY bill that I was supposed to pay, unlike others.

Right. The idea that the bill would be taken care of by a charity without even attempting to bill the customer or without any contact about payment is preposterous.

 

[yllus]

How is any of what's going on remotely constitutional? Forcing a massive financial crisis and leading thousands of federal employees to be furloughed because the current head of the executive branch isn't willing to meet a laundry list of demands isn't exactly part of the legislative handbook.

To me it seems like the worst thing possible to happen is for Mr. Obama to agree to even a single demand from the Republicans and set a precedent for bypassing Congress. You might as well just shut the place down and count down to the next debt ceiling for the nominal head of one party to come up with a new list of things to ask the President for.

 

[sixone]

Right. The idea that the bill would be taken care of by a charity without even attempting to bill the customer or without any contact about payment is preposterous.

The admissions staff is the first point of contact about payment. So there goes your premise.

Preposterous is not a synonym for false.

 

[EagleKeeper]

How? Are you under the impression that the shutdown is actually going to save the government money?

The Dems have been saying the cupboard is bare.

I am saying that since the government can function partially when in shutdown mode, there is fat that can be cut.

If the government can not function is a cripple mode, then their is no fat.

 

[sixone]

How is any of what's going on remotely constitutional? Forcing a massive financial crisis and leading thousands of federal employees to be furloughed because the current head of the executive branch isn't willing to meet a laundry list of demands isn't exactly part of the legislative handbook.

To me it seems like the worst thing possible to happen is for Mr. Obama to agree to even a single demand from the Republicans and set a precedent for bypassing Congress. You might as well just shut the place down and count down to the next debt ceiling for the nominal head of one party to come up with a new list of things to ask the President for.

What do you call the delays the President has made to the ACA, such as the employer mandate? He certainly bypassed Congress there.

 

[Engineer]

The admissions staff is the first point of contact about payment. So there goes your premise.

Preposterous is not a synonym for false.

So the admission staff asked her if she was going to pay or not?

 

[michal1980]

Because I didn't come out and support your position directly, I'm up Obama's ass?

Are you saying that those boards as well as the congressmen on CNN this morning copied you? LOL..you're full of shit.

still have nothing.

Who really is full of shit here?


Your full of shit because your calling me a liar, and saying I'm parroting some talking points. But I've came out with that thought since Obama gave his I will not negotiate speech after/during the shooting at the navy base.

At the same time the asshole in the whitehouse is talking to Assad who just gassed his people, he's saying he wont talk to the republicans about the debt ceiling.

Yet you lmsm sheep blame the republicans for not 'compromising'. The great uniter is nothing more then the greatest divider.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Indeed.

It seems that they won't have it any other way. "Compromise" (actually capitulation) now just encourages more extremist extortion down the road. That's how we got here.

It's time to call the bet. Fold or show, assholes.

Most on the Dems are still deciding if they will They want to call, but are afraid because if they are wrong, the Dems are considered to be the gov party at this point by the voters.