So wouldn't that make poor single mothers and by extension the Democratic Party terrorists?
Hostage taking & extortion are basic features of terrorism, and of organized crime, as well.
Yes, it most certainly is different. I'm seriously baffled that anyone buys the line that this is business as usual.
There have been plenty of government shutdowns over differences in funding levels and a number of shutdowns over whether or not the government would fund abortion in various ways. There has never been an attempt to repeal legislation in this way.
Again though, I don't really care about the shutdown nearly so much as the debt ceiling. Sure the Republicans are acting incredibly irresponsible with the government shutdown, but in the end the economic impact will likely be modest. There is simply no precedent for any serious threat to not raise the debt ceiling.
And all this after an election 11 months prior where they ran on much of this very platform and lost.
Somewhere out there I hope there is an Island of Men where you will find peace and happiness.So wouldn't that make poor single mothers and by extension the Democratic Party terrorists?
How can you say that with a straight face? The House hasn't been following up on Senate bills.
Just like the House, the Senate has its own rules in regards to how bills are brought to the floor. It doesn't have to do anything that you suggested in your first sentence.
When has there ever been a successful attempt to repeal a piece of significant legislation?
Somewhere out there I hope there is an Island of Men where you will find peace and happiness.
That was actually the only thing that came to mind. Have to go back a ways to find something.
So wouldn't that make poor single mothers and by extension the Democratic Party terrorists?
It would be if Dems were threatening to shut down the govt over spending already appropriated, but they're not.
There is a fundamental difference that no amount of desperate obfuscation can overcome, but I'm sure you'll give it the usual dishonest effort.
In 1935 Senator Glass attempted to repeal the GlassSteagall prohibition on commercial banks underwriting corporate securities. Glass stated GlassSteagall had unduly damaged securities markets by prohibiting commercial bank underwriting of corporate securities.
The fundamental difference is that that liberalism is at its core an ideology of terrorism.
Care to address the substance of my post? Probably not, because you can't. You know I'm right but you're too blinded with hatred for the ACA to admit it.
You would let the nation burn for the ACA, so there's not really a point in discussing that. The substance of your post? Let's get to the meat of the issue, which is that you want the Democrats to control us and others want the Republicans to do so. Anything which interferes in that process is something you cannot abide.
This is the new norm. This is how things will happen and you played your part, or I should say your ideology did. You steamroll things with the certain knowledge that only your party can do things. You embrace compromise, meaning that others are free to agree with your party. Maybe fix the drapes a little different.
Don't complain. This is what you want. You and the Reps can burn down the house and every couple years we can take out the old trash and bring in the new, with them utterly unaccountable in the meantime. Everything else is a consequence of this and you wouldn't have it any other way.
There was a woman who found a snake about to freeze to death so she picked it up and held it to her breast to warm it. She kept it safe and nursed it back to health and then one day it bit her. She complained to it that she had saved it and protected it and no harm she would allow. The serpent replied that she shouldn't be mad at it since she knew what he was when she picked it up.
Sorry woman.
In 1987, Dems shutdown the government because they wanted to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine. So technically you are right, they didn't attempt to repeal legislation...they just wanted to enact it. Not really much difference in my opinion...but I'm sure that you can find some way to justify their actions.Yes, it most certainly is different. I'm seriously baffled that anyone buys the line that this is business as usual.
There have been plenty of government shutdowns over differences in funding levels and a number of shutdowns over whether or not the government would fund abortion in various ways. There has never been an attempt to repeal legislation in this way.
Again though, I don't really care about the shutdown nearly so much as the debt ceiling. Sure the Republicans are acting incredibly irresponsible with the government shutdown, but in the end the economic impact will likely be modest. There is simply no precedent for any serious threat to not raise the debt ceiling.
And all this after an election 11 months prior where they ran on much of this very platform and lost.
All that writing when you could have just said "no, I don't want to address the substance". Instead we get the same old poorly informed martyrdom.
If the republicans had repealed the ACA after a Romney victory I would never have considered causing a financial crisis to get it back. I'm sure you don't want to believe that because it threatens the false equivalence that you need to cling to, but that's your issue not mine.
So the Shutdown's a given. How long will it last and what's the next step?
The next major milestone is the 15th, that's when the military get's paid. I doubt congress will let the military go without a paycheck so I suspect a shutdown to end before then. If not the 17th is the debt ceiling deadline, and a compromise must be reached before then to avoid financial Armageddon.
My prediction is a long (week plus) shutdown, with a compromise reached the 2nd week right before the 15th. Part of the reason for such a long shutdown is that there is no room for compromise. One of the parties needs to capitulate, though I can see a random spending cut thrown into the compromise as an attempt to save face. The great fear is the shutdown lasting past the 15th, as then the already high stakes become even higher. Sadly there is no way for this to end with everyone saving face, one section of a party will have to capitulate, this will end the careers of a few people.
A snake is a snake and a shill is a shill....they are what they are.I really don't know what you would do then. Now? Yes, you would. You are. When the union members found out they were getting screwed, but didn't know they were supporting it, you said that was a good thing. A little duplicity for the greater good. No, I have your ideological justifications down.
You failed to note is that I never said I thought this was a good idea. I don't think it is, but not to preserve your highest ideals of partisanship and statue quo. What I was addressing was how we got here and why. You are playing your part in the illustration.
A snake is a snake and a shill is a shill....they are what they are.
I really don't know what you would do then. Now? Yes, you would. You are. When the union members found out they were getting screwed, but didn't know they were supporting it, you said that was a good thing. A little duplicity for the greater good. No, I have your ideological justifications down.
You failed to note is that I never said I thought this was a good idea. I don't think it is, but not to preserve your highest ideals of partisanship and statue quo. What I was addressing was how we got here and why. You are playing your part in the illustration.
The system needs fixing desperately, yet there are those who will defend it regardless. No accountability in office, no marketplace of ideas just two choices, no real public control, just the bribe du jour.
From an old Yul Brenner movie- "so let it be written, so let it be done."
When is the government going to shut down already?
I want to see millions of people on food stamps riot when their cards stop working.
Well the silver lining in all of this for me is I have stockpiled some cash to invest in the markets as they bottom out.