lol at the desperation of the left to get this boondoggle funded. DOOM, GLOOM, SKY IS FALLING, HOSTAGES!!!
"threatening global financial stability"?
Fern
The Constitution requires that all taxing and spending be approved by all three elected bodies of government. The House is not empowered outside of the origination of bills and even that is constantly and easily gotten around.
If you do not see a problem with the exact scenario we are going through right now repeating itself every 12 months for the rest of our lives you have a very poor understanding of how to run a government. Imagine if Mitt Romney had been elected and the Democrats were threatening a debt ceiling breach unless he put a public option into the ACA. I challenge you to even try to say with a straight face that you would have the same opinion.
It is baffling to me that you want to enable such irresponsible behavior.
The only way they lose is if they quit the fight and aren't vocal about the real reason for the shutdown - Harry Reid and Obama. The House has passed budget after budget but the Senate won't vote. Now we have a CR that the house has passed and the Senate will vote it down along party lines each time. Yet somehow it's the R's fault for not funding the worst thing since Social Security. Reid and Obama keep saying it's a principle thing and the leftists(and media) are eating it up yet somehow it's terroristic and hostage taking for the Republicans to take a principled stand and not fund obamacare.
Pat Buchannon had a piece that summed it up nicely(not posting the link because the leftists wont read it due to where it's hosted)
"threatening global financial stability"?
Fern
THE GOP doens't have a good track record of sticking to its guns recently. My reasoning is the same as Eskimo's. .. they voted to spend the money and now they're not allowing the mechanisms to operate properly to pay for it. Irresponsible.
And on the issue of compromise. . . it would be akin to the Senate to put in a provision that "marriage is now defined as 1) a man and a man or 2)a woman and a woman" and that "the border is now open and the military is defunded" and then acting suprised that the GOP in the House rejected it. . . :hmm:
On a slightly different note, the GOP has no real way to prevent the implementation of the ACA. Most of the funding for it is not discretionary funding so a government shutdown actually doesn't do that much to the bill itself.
Secondly, it seems like if Congress won't raise the debt ceiling Obama's best bet would probably be just to ignore it. Ignoring the debt ceiling is no more illegal than following it, as either way he is violating the law. (federal law mandates he spend X dollars that must be borrowed, the debt ceiling law says he's not allowed to borrow the money to follow the law)
For sure they don't have a good track record. There are too many who care what the media will write instead of what's best for the nation.
I don't care if they allowed it to pass, it doesn't mean it NEEDs to be funded in a continuing resolution - ESPECIALLY since Reid and the Senate won't pass a budget(how long has it been now?)
your last part has nothing to do with the issue. Obamacare should never be funded and would never pass again so it's nothing like trying to slip something extra into a bill like you are suggesting. It just isn't the same - not even close.
We know that you on the left like the fact that Obama is a dictator. I cannot wait until a republican comes in an pulls the same shit on you.
Union laws... fuck them not enforced. Welfare laws, Fuck them, ignore. ACA, what ACA? ignored.
The only way they lose is if they quit the fight and aren't vocal about the real reason for the shutdown - Harry Reid and Obama. The House has passed budget after budget but the Senate won't vote. Now we have a CR that the house has passed and the Senate will vote it down along party lines each time. Yet somehow it's the R's fault for not funding the worst thing since Social Security. Reid and Obama keep saying it's a principle thing and the leftists(and media) are eating it up yet somehow it's terroristic and hostage taking for the Republicans to take a principled stand and not fund obamacare.
Pat Buchannon had a piece that summed it up nicely(not posting the link because the leftists wont read it due to where it's hosted)
All it would take is Boehner working with Nancy Pelosi to get Democratic support for that clean CR. That would mean abandoning the so-called Hastert Rule, named after former House speaker Dennis Hastert, that no legislation is brought to the House floor without a majority of Republican votes. Boehner has violated the rule at least twice before, most recently to approve federal funds for the victims of Hurricane Sandy.
You realize the senate passed a budget earlier this year and then when the democrats tried to go to conference to reconcile the house and senate bills the House Republicans refused, right?
It was hilarious, they whined for years about the senate not passing a budget and then ran away when they did which shows they were never serious to begin with. You probably don't want to remind people of that.
lol at the desperation of the left to get this boondoggle funded. DOOM, GLOOM, SKY IS FALLING, HOSTAGES!!!
Stop acting like a child. Congress has now directed the executive to do two mutually exclusive things. What is he supposed to do?
Tell Reid to work with the republicans?
But we all know he's incapable of that. from the passing of Obamacare to today, Obama has done nothing but vilify republicans. He talks about compromise but never does himself.
He talks about negotiating with terrorists, but not with the republicans.
He's the one that said having to vote for a debt ceiling increase is a failure of leadership.
Guess what, He failed. Obama failed as a leader.
You realize the senate passed a budget earlier this year and then when the democrats tried to go to conference to reconcile the house and senate bills the House Republicans refused, right?
It was hilarious, they whined for years about the senate not passing a budget and then ran away when they did which shows they were never serious to begin with. You probably don't want to remind people of that.
Work with them on fulfilling their ransom demands? I keep asking you for even a single thing the Republicans have shown a willingness to compromise on. You can't answer because you know there isn't one.
All that aside, you called Obama a dictator after I suggested he simply ignore the debt ceiling and then when I asked you to elaborate you dodged the question. If we breach the debt ceiling Obama will have two mutually exclusive legal obligations to meet. How do you suggest he does this?
lol, you keep believing that if it helps you sleep but it wasn't even close to a real budget. BTW, the budget doesn't come from them...but anyway...
oh and where has Reid been on trying to reconcile the House bills? Yeah... that's what I thought - he won't come close to touching them so don't even try to make this an "R" thing.
lol at your desperation. "ranson demands"? get a clue. This isn't a "crisis", the world won't end, and the sky isn't falling. If BHO and Reid truly thought it was a crisis they would allow the delay in funding obamacare to preserve the rest.
More ignorance proudly displayed! The senate has voted and the bill was sent down to the house, Bhoener won't let it come to the standard majority rules vote and is instead continuing with the majority of the majority rule in order to bring things to a vote.
But don't let facts get in the way of your ignorance
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ith-clock-ticking-to-government-shutdown.html
There's no desperation as to the fate of the ACA, as I said before most of the funding isn't subject to government shutdowns. The Republicans really can't do much to it. My worry is for the fate of our economy as a whole and the world economy.
I'm nearly certain I'm going to win on the ACA part, I'm just trying to make sure the crazies don't fuck up the world economy on their way down. If you understood the debt ceiling you wouldn't be laughing.
Basically another "let's screw the country for political gain" move by the GOP.
Uhh... The economy won't crash due to this, nor will the world's economy. Your doomsday BS is nothing but stupidity. We've had shutdowns before, this isn't something new.
The only "crazies" fucking up our economy is BHO, Reid, and Pelosi - they've been doing it for quite a few years now and Obamacare will ensure more fail in the years to come. It must be stopped.
Or rather BHO and Reid. They have the power to prevent the shutdown but won't.
We have never had a debt ceiling breach before, which is what I have clearly mentioned is what will cause our economy to crash. The CR nonsense is small potatoes compared to that, but they are clearly intimately related.
You can't stop the ACA. You already lost that fight (repeatedly). The only thing you can do is fuck up the country on your way down. What's sad is that you might be stupid and childish enough to think that's a good idea.