What the republicans are doing this go around is historic its tieing the shut down to a single specific piece of law which they do not have the votes to get repealed.. You are an idiot to try and compare 1-2 day shut downs over nothing to this.
The Tea Party are bunch of obstructionists. If only the sane members of the GOP who were trying to rebel against the tea party nutters could have gotten 17 more votes yesterday. The majority of the GOP and all of the Tea Party are out of touch with reality.
There are 800k-1million furloughed. The other 1.3million fed employees(unless you are POTUS, VPOTUS, or Congress), the military, and the post office dont get a paychecks until the shut down is lifted.
Furthermore, the people hit the hardest will be the private sector. If the shut down last more than two weeks, govt contractors will no longer be working and layoffs will occur.
People are idiotic when they say it isn't a shut down/slowdown. Sure if it is a day it doesn't matter.
If this last 2-3 weeks or more, its economic suicide. Furthermore, this is just the budget. Oct 15 is the day where the GOP/Tea Party can really fuck over the country with even more political grandstanding with the debt ceiling. I see us losing another A on our bond rating before the month is out.
You have no idea how credit ratings work, or how the markets react. The world isn't coming to an end, even if this extends for months. Hell, we might even stop accruing new debt during that time, what a novel idea.
But they dropped trying to defund Democare early on. When you make arguments it always is best to use the actual facts. They stopped trying to defund the legislation and then moved to try to make some amendments. Obama unilaterally made changes to the legislation 17 times. He did not seek approval from Congress. I personally am glad that the individual mandate in Democare was not postponed, but they only tried to do through proper channels what Obama did on his own many times prior. That being postponing huge portions of it for his buddies in big business and big labor. Harry Reid under orders from Dear Leader was the obstructionist. Every time his string was pulled he blurted out "my way or the highway". Maybe that's the kind of government you want, one party rule. I really don't know which way the wind blows for you.What the republicans are doing this go around is historic its tieing the shut down to a single specific piece of law which they do not have the votes to get repealed.. You are an idiot to try and compare 1-2 day shut downs over nothing to this.
The Tea Party are bunch of obstructionists. If only the sane members of the GOP who were trying to rebel against the tea party nutters could have gotten 17 more votes yesterday. The majority of the GOP and all of the Tea Party are out of touch with reality.
Uhmmm, if you think this won't be a big deal by the end of October you have zero understanding of markets. Might want to look up what's happening around October 17th.
King Obama finally managed to shut down the government good work Mr " I Will not negotiate " *
*Only with republicans, terrorists, tyrants, etc. lets have a beer
Obama and the Senate could have made a deal.
I lost patience for the way both sides are attempting to frame this debate months ago. Our government is set up with shared power, if the President and the Senate refuse to negotiate with the House that was elected just as legitimately as the President and the Senate then they are just as much at fault.
It's time for all of our elected officials to begin the process of pulling their heads out of their asses.
Because yes, they are lodged that far up there.
I read this somewhere else (sadly I can't remember where at the moment), but I thought it was an illustrative example. Imagine if this were the Iraq War in 2007. There was a debt ceiling vote in September. The Iraq War was noticeably less popular than the ACA with the American public, it was adding to the deficit hugely as opposed to reducing it, it was killing Americans (and Iraqis) as opposed to giving them health care, and the Democrats had just won resounding victories in the most recent election, based in no small part on their opposition to the war in Iraq.
Still, Democrats even CRITICIZING the war was frequently portrayed as 'emboldening the enemy', borderline treason, etc. Did they ever try to use the federal budget or the debt ceiling to defund the war? Nope. If they had done that, just how epic would the right's freakout have been?
Governing like that is incredibly irresponsible, no matter the topic or time. At least if the Democrats tried to do it they could point to the results of a recent election, but the Republicans just lost seats across the board, along with the presidency.
No one is fooled, guys. This is so utterly transparent.
Then they can find new jobs.
Delusional as usual LOL
There is nothing to negotiate with. One side made demands unrelated to the task at hand.
I read this somewhere else (sadly I can't remember where at the moment), but I thought it was an illustrative example. Imagine if this were the Iraq War in 2007. There was a debt ceiling vote in September. The Iraq War was noticeably less popular than the ACA with the American public, it was adding to the deficit hugely as opposed to reducing it, it was killing Americans (and Iraqis) as opposed to giving them health care, and the Democrats had just won resounding victories in the most recent election, based in no small part on their opposition to the war in Iraq.
Still, Democrats even CRITICIZING the war was frequently portrayed as 'emboldening the enemy', borderline treason, etc. Did they ever try to use the federal budget or the debt ceiling to defund the war? Nope. If they had done that, just how epic would the right's freakout have been?
Governing like that is incredibly irresponsible, no matter the topic or time. At least if the Democrats tried to do it they could point to the results of a recent election, but the Republicans just lost seats across the board, along with the presidency.
No one is fooled, guys. This is so utterly transparent.
As Jon Stewart said:
If it turns out that President Barack Obama can made a deal with the most intransigent, hardline, unreasonable, totalitarian Mullahs in the world, but not with Republicans, maybe hes not the problem.
Strangely that’s what they did in 2007.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/02/AR2007040201465.html
Reid spokesman Jim Manley said the Democratic leader does not expect the bill to become the official position of Senate Democrats, given its strong terms, but rather the "next in a series of steps designed to try to force a change in administration policy."
As Jon Stewart said:
“If it turns out that President Barack Obama can made a deal with the most intransigent, hardline, unreasonable, totalitarian Mullahs in the world, but not with Republicans, maybe he’s not the problem.”
Let me fix this.
President Barack Obama can make a deal with the most intransigent, hardline, unreasonable, totalitarian Mullahs in the world, but will not negotiate with Republicans, maybe hes the problem.
Huh, you will have to point me to the government shutdown of 2007 then, I can't seem to find it anywhere.
EDIT: From your article:
Oh I see, it has to be part of a government shutdown now. Just passing a bill to defund the war is fine by you.
Let me fix this.
President Barack Obama can make a deal with the most intransigent, hardline, unreasonable, totalitarian Mullahs in the world, but will not negotiate with Republicans, maybe he’s the problem.
.... that doesn't make any sense. Like, logically that doesn't make any sense.
It makes perfect sense.
Obama can give aid to the muslim brotherhood, while obamacare mandates we either buy a product or get a fine.
Seems to me obama would rather help a terrorist organization than help people here in the states.
.... that doesn't make any sense. Like, logically that doesn't make any sense.