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OGOC

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I am not a fan of Obamacare myself, but I don't think Ted Cruz and the like should get their way. This madness is reckless political action to the extreme. I hope those districts elect more moderate republicans next time. They only look like bafoons right now.
The main part of this madness is here because people who are paid $160,000 + benefits couldn't bother to do their jobs for four years and pass a budget.

Republicans have offered to fund all parts of the government except Obamacare. It is Obama and Reid who have refused to fund 99% of government and then argue over the last 1% after that.

They've been begging for it, like a naughty small child who craves attention, any attention. They'll do nearly any silly thing that comes to mind to get it, too, like lighting the house on fire.
Maybe the next thing they'll do for attention is to jam through a bill without any Democrat votes while saying they have to pass it so you can find out what's in it.

So Republicans threw a temper tantrum over defunding Obamacare by shutting down the gov't, and will now 2 weeks later get literally next to zero Obamacare-related concessions. Any fiscal conservative here want to defend this waste of time and tax dollars?

The main waste is that the government wasn't shut down eight or so years ago already.
 

AViking

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The main part of this madness is here because people who are paid $160,000 + benefits couldn't bother to do their jobs for four years and pass a budget.

Republicans have offered to fund all parts of the government except Obamacare. It is Obama and Reid who have refused to fund 99% of government and then argue over the last 1% after that.


Maybe the next thing they'll do for attention is to jam through a bill without any Democrat votes while saying they have to pass it so you can find out what's in it.



The main waste is that the government wasn't shut down eight or so years ago already.

You are part of the problem. Your argument sounds like something a small child would say.
 

Paul98

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How long before most republicans start attacking and fighting back against the tea party republicans?
 

openwheel

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The main part of this madness is here because people who are paid $160,000 + benefits couldn't bother to do their jobs for four years and pass a budget.

Republicans have offered to fund all parts of the government except Obamacare. It is Obama and Reid who have refused to fund 99% of government and then argue over the last 1% after that.


Maybe the next thing they'll do for attention is to jam through a bill without any Democrat votes while saying they have to pass it so you can find out what's in it.



The main waste is that the government wasn't shut down eight or so years ago already.

Absolutely wrong. Don't like Obamacare? Then win the executive branch or Senate, or both. Until then, eat the pride and let democracy roll. These extreme republicans are causing tremendous harm to our economy. No matter what, you can't disrupt government function in this fashion. It's a huge waste. Sending Fed workers and private contractors home is not the way to move this country forward. Fed workers will get back pay for zero productivity, contractors will slash pay and benefits, projects get further delayed. My job is Republican's wet dream as a gov watch dog contractor, and it's disgusting what I am seeing with my own eyes. I hate gov waste, but this shutdown tops them all.

Most people don't understand the consequence of government shutdown, nor will they see it. Most don't understand how much waste is created by a "shut down". Very sad. The very same people who dispise government waste, are the ones happy to see the shutdown........very ironic.
 

kia75

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So Heritage sunk the vote for tonight and it looks like Heritage will sink any vote for the end of the Shutdown.

That means there's roughly ~100 congressmen that will vote No to raising the debt ceiling, or ending the shutdown. In other words the only way to end the shutdown is for Boehner to allow a vote he knows ~100 of his members will oppose.

Like I said before, the only way to end the shutdown is for Boehner to jump on his sword.
 

IronWing

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Getting down to the deadline makes them all feel special, important. The closer to the cliff we get, the more important they feel. Cantor and Reid probably bump hard-ons when they try to shake hands.
 
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So Heritage sunk the vote for tonight and it looks like Heritage will sink any vote for the end of the Shutdown.

That means there's roughly ~100 congressmen that will vote No to raising the debt ceiling, or ending the shutdown. In other words the only way to end the shutdown is for Boehner to allow a vote he knows ~100 of his members will oppose.

Like I said before, the only way to end the shutdown is for Boehner to jump on his sword.

The Tea Party publicly emasculated Boehner and sent his dick in a box to establishment Republicans with that move. At this point Republican leadership has to be coming to terms with the fact they are going to have to rely on House Democrats to get anything done on this. Trying to hold the caucus together now is futile lunacy. Boehner should put up that clean Senate resolution for a vote out of spite if for no other reason.
 

Balt

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The Tea Party publicly emasculated Boehner and sent his dick in a box to establishment Republicans with that move. At this point Republican leadership has to be coming to terms with the fact they are going to have to rely on House Democrats to get anything done on this. Trying to hold the caucus together now is futile lunacy. Boehner should put up that clean Senate resolution for a vote out of spite if for no other reason.

Yeah. I'm still waiting for Boehner to come to terms with the fact that he has more potential Democratic allies than Tea Party allies.
 

OGOC

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You are part of the problem. Your argument sounds like something a small child would say.
Funny stuff especially after I just skimmed the last 15 or so pages to remind myself what childish arguments and one-liners you've written.

It's ok. I realize you have no actual arguments so the only thing you have is personal attacks.

Find me one person who is not a Republican who thinks this is right.

By the way, skimming through those posts was that one.
Find you one person who is not Republican who thinks this is right? Sure, how about the Democrats in the House who have been voting with the Republicans.

Absolutely wrong. Don't like Obamacare? Then win the executive branch or Senate, or both.
Republicans already won the House. I remember some large-ego person saying elections have consequences.

These extreme republicans are causing tremendous harm to our economy.

Fed workers will get back pay for zero productivity,
"Have Congress and the President enroll in Obamacare just like other Americans, or give everyone the same one-year opt-out option given to special interests."
"$17 trillion is a lot of debt with no end in sight. We need to stop."

How "extreme" of them.

Though I do agree it's dumb to pay them back pay. I don't know why anyone for cutting waste and spending voted yes on that other than to score publicity points.
 

kia75

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And it looks like the Shutdown will soon be over!

Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avert default!

All that's left is for vote to actually be taken. The tea party will vote against it, but the Dem's for it, with a few Rep's voting for it and allowing it to pass.

The plan includes a proposal offered by McConnell in the 2011 debt ceiling crisis that allows Congress to disapprove of the debt ceiling increase, which means lawmakers will formally vote on whether to reject a debt ceiling increase until Feb. 7. Obama can veto that legislation if it passes. If Congress fails as expected to gather a two-thirds majority to override the veto, the debt ceiling would be raised.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/...iling-default-update-98390.html#ixzz2huBfNgWI

No more debt ceiling showmanship. The Rep's will be able to vote against the debt ceiling be raised but it'll be a show vote and the ceiling will always be raised!
 

fskimospy

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Republicans already won the House. I remember some large-ego person saying elections have consequences.

They definitely do.

Color me completely shocked that you think that an election where the Republicans lost the Presidency and the Senate along with several House seats and lost the popular vote in all three contests means that America should do what Republicans want.
 

dainthomas

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Though I do agree it's dumb to pay them back pay. I don't know why anyone for cutting waste and spending voted yes on that other than to score publicity points.

Hint: no politician is for cutting waste or spending.

This was all about being against something just because the guy they hate is for it. When their shennanigans got too close to really affecting grandma, disabled veterans etc they folded like a wet towel, as everyone knew they would.
 

Juddog

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The main part of this madness is here because people who are paid $160,000 + benefits couldn't bother to do their jobs for four years and pass a budget.

Republicans have offered to fund all parts of the government except Obamacare. It is Obama and Reid who have refused to fund 99% of government and then argue over the last 1% after that.

Maybe the next thing they'll do for attention is to jam through a bill without any Democrat votes while saying they have to pass it so you can find out what's in it.

The main waste is that the government wasn't shut down eight or so years ago already.

You really have a one track mind. First you point out how the politicians in general aren't doing their jobs; then suddenly it is all Obama / Reid's fault.

Here's a hint, dumbass: It's both parties fault. I know that is hard for you to comprehend because it involves blame to the GOP, but that's the reality of it. Quit living in fantasyland and think for two fucking seconds and you'd realize your super-high and mighty party is, at the very least, partially to blame for this mess.
 

chowderhead

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shameful Republicans and tea party representatives who went through this entire charade and caused so much pain to real people to achieve NOTHING but delaying funding the government. These people should not be in government because they do not believe in the concept of governing. They are the worst hypocrites.
 

OGOC

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Color me completely shocked that you think that an election where the Republicans lost the Presidency and the Senate along with several House seats and lost the popular vote in all three contests means that America should do what Republicans want.

I expected some sort of compromise. Especially since that's the big buzzword so often. "compromise." Did Democrats or Obama compromise with Republicans when they jammed through Obamacare with zero Republican votes? No. Unless "compromise" includes compromising with other Democrats who didn't want Obamacare but voted for it after being bribed.

Is having Congress enroll in Obamacare or individuals having the same one-year opt-out option Obama gave special interests really that big of a compromise? Don't one or both of those things sound fair even to Democrats and fans of obamacare?

You really have a one track mind. First you point out how the politicians in general aren't doing their jobs; then suddenly it is all Obama / Reid's fault.

Here's a hint, dumbass: It's both parties fault. I know that is hard for you to comprehend because it involves blame to the GOP, but that's the reality of it. Quit living in fantasyland and think for two fucking seconds and you'd realize your super-high and mighty party is, at the very least, partially to blame for this mess.
No kidding overall it's both parties' fault, dumbass. Except one party at least tried to compromise while the other held their breath. And now the debt will continue climbing just like it was. I wouldn't be surprised if you voted for more Republicans last election than I did.
 
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