What people overlooked in the TAX BILL, I bet. Car insurance is now "optional".(Not really)

[stormkroe]

Just because you cant see the impact someone without health ins does not mean that it does not affect others. If you go to the emg room and dont pay, I will the next time I go and need an aspirin and get charged $25 for it. Consider for a moment that I can get a 500 count bottle of said aspirin at Amazon for $5.24 making that pill $0.0124, yep one and a quarter cents. Now follow that out for a 4 day stay and include everything I need using that markup. If you thing that you going without insurance does not affect others, perhaps you should do a little more research. A $200,000 stay might only cost me 50K on the high end, if you didn't bail on your hospital bill.

Incase your interested I still consider myself a Conservative but no longer a member of today's republican party.

This seems to be ignoring the fact that we already have history of those effects, and the 'what ifs' your stating have already been answered. The average coverage would be over $2,500 less per year, $30k-$40k yearly costs would still be a joke, insurance companies wouldn't have doubled proffits in the last year or so, and you would still have the doctor you didn't get to keep.
Single payer or hybrid still looks better.

 

[bshole]

This seems to be ignoring the fact that we already have history of those effects, and the 'what ifs' your stating have already been answered. The average coverage would be over $2,500 less per year, $30k-$40k yearly costs would still be a joke, insurance companies wouldn't have doubled proffits in the last year or so, and you would still have the doctor you didn't get to keep.
Single payer or hybrid still looks better.

Single payer is the only rational option. This is something that liberal and conservative little people should be able to agree on. There is probably not a person on this forum who could not be completely wiped out if they are unfortunate enough to get the wrong disease.

 

[Jaskalas]

Single payer is the only rational option. This is something that liberal and conservative little people should be able to agree on. There is probably not a person on this forum who could not be completely wiped out if they are unfortunate enough to get the wrong disease.

Endoscopic kidney stone surgery is upwards of $20,000.
Meanwhile, 6 in 10 Americans don't have $500

Hell, my father spent 6 hours in ER in 2015, came out with a $12,000 bill. You say "the wrong disease". I say ANY. The majority CANNOT afford to walk into ER without going bankrupt.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Single payer is the only rational option. This is something that liberal and conservative little people should be able to agree on. There is probably not a person on this forum who could not be completely wiped out if they are unfortunate enough to get the wrong disease.

Just as an example, when I was dealing with my cancer several years ago I think my total out of pocket expense was around $500 for various medications so yeah, big fan of single payer.

 

[Zaap]

This thread saved 15% or more by switching to GEICO.

 

[Smoblikat]

Isn't that a State requirement?

Yes it is, has absolutely nothing to do with the Fed.........

I live in NH, insurance has always been optional. Pretty sure we beat the national average on how many insured motorists we have too, even though theres no legal obligation......

Thanks NH, for somehow staying sane long enough to maintain common sense in 2017.

 

[Jaskalas]

Endoscopic kidney stone surgery is upwards of $20,000.
Meanwhile, 6 in 10 Americans don't have $500

Hell, my father spent 6 hours in ER in 2015, came out with a $12,000 bill. You say "the wrong disease". I say ANY. The majority CANNOT afford to walk into ER without going bankrupt.

Correction... forget the web stats for the price, an actual hospital bill for Endoscopic kidney stone surgery listed $65,000.

 

[brycejones]

This thread saved 15% or more by switching to GEICO.

Bubble protection mode engaged!

 

[WHAMPOM]

First
Auto insurance is one of the worst examples
to use in comparison to health insurance, the safest drivers who use their insurance the least get the best rates, the ones who have more tickets and accidents pay the most and in many states if you drive without insurance you can be arrested and it tends to affect the poor and minorities more, the more affluent don't have these problems

Therefore the healthy should pay the least and those with preexisting conditions should pay the most if you go down the auto insurance path.

Second unbeknownst to most so called liberals the Obama administration took a page out of the Republican handbook by vilifying the lower classes without insurance as the problem just like Republicans use the Welfare Queen for their agendas, you just call them deadbeats but somehow for some reason you don't include the millions of illegals, who by the way have no trouble driving while uninsured.

Because Of Obamacare, Illegal Immigrants Get Taxpayer-Financed Care
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...law-illegal-immigrants-get-care/#68141fe02139


Then Obama pulled a classic bait and switch by telling Americans who had insurance not to worry because it was all about those bad people without insurance, their insurance and plans wouldn't be touched effectively removing them from the debate which would have easily sunk Obamacare before it even got out the door if they believed it would have affected them.

Now you are facing the blowback from those people through their elected officials and still try to blame the "deadbeats" as the problem, obviously you haven't learned anything from the Hillary Clinton loss.

We must have selective memories of past events as I remember it as everyone being required to pay into Healthcare insurance to make it affordable for everyone.

 

[zinfamous]

If I don't carry car insurance and total someone else's car that effects the other party tremendously. If I don't carry health insurance and break my leg it would put me alone in a bad spot financially. See the difference. I have every right to not carry health insurance. I'm for more rights not less.

actually, everyone still pays for your overly-expensive broken leg which wouldn't be all that expensive if everyone had healthcare. That's pretty much how it has been all this time, before the ACA, when everyone was bitching about high medical costs.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Just remember a hundred years ago the Bull Moose Party had Universal Healthcare in its political platform. Plenty of time to tweak it to perfection before Lobbyists took control of Congress. Too bad we have no Republicans left with a country first agenda that isn't beaten out of them by the need for campaign contributions.

 

[Greenman]

Am I the only one who noticed that there was never a mechanism in place to collect the fine from the "deadbeats" that didn't buy insurance? The only way the IRS could collect was to withhold future tax returns. I'd be willing to bet the folks that don't have insurance also don't have much of a tax return.