Surveillance footage of the gas pumps should show what really happened. He should be charged if the hobo was just washing the windows and not threatening physical harm to the female.
Originally posted by: FP
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: FP
Aren't you allowed to physically defend your personal property? If he started kicking the guy's car would he be allowed to touch the guy?
Why speculate? The story says nothing of destruction to his property. All it says is that Moore ran out of the store and knocked the man over.
Also, I guess it depends on the situation, but if I was inside a store and saw my wife outside of our car yelling and the homeless dude I told to go away is seemingly harassing her I would have done the same. It looks like a threatening situation.
I would do the same, but clearly this wasn't the case. Anyone living in a large city has had encounters with the stubborn window washers.
Maybe I am jaded because I have experienced some extremely physical homeless people in the Bay Area but things can go south quick.
I'm willing to guess that there aren't many instances of a transient window washer going crazy on a pedestrian/driver/whomever because they didn't want their services.
Well the description of the story doesn't have his side of it.
And yes, I have had homeless window washers mess with my car on more than 1 occasion after telling them I didn't want their services. Side mirrors bent inwards, spraying the car body with solution, slamming their hand on the glass, etc.
I've even seen a group of 3 homeless guys kick in my friend's car door after he refused to pay them to "watch" his vehicle while he was gone.
Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
He should win a medal for it. If a bum ever touched my car id kill them.
Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
He should win a medal for it. If a bum ever touched my car id kill them.
Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
He should win a medal for it. If a bum ever touched my car id kill them.
Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
Oh so you guys like dirty bums cleaning your cars? Yeah I love it when they spit on my windshield and smear it all over after I just spent hours detailing my car.
Originally posted by: joesmoke
what if it was the same situation, but it was YOU or YOUR SON selling candy bars and not a hobo asking to wash a window. would you think he should be unpunished then?
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
He should win a medal for it. If a bum ever touched my car id kill them.
That's only b/c you want to be someone's bitch in prison.
Originally posted by: Geocentricity
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
He should win a medal for it. If a bum ever touched my car id kill them.
That's only b/c you want to be someone's bitch in prison.
AmdEmAll sure has some pretty lips...
Originally posted by: SonnyDaze
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
He should be charged. He made the choice to get physical with the guy, knocking him to the ground. It's unfortunate that the guy died but that is the potential consequence to that action.
Agreed.
Originally posted by: G Wizard
wouldn't this be manslaughter?
He should be charged with involuntary manslaughter. Though he didn't intend to do it it happened on his account.
Originally posted by: Leafy
Originally posted by: joesmoke
what if it was the same situation, but it was YOU or YOUR SON selling candy bars and not a hobo asking to wash a window. would you think he should be unpunished then?
That's the kind of non-rational response I would expect in this type of topic. Emotions highly-charged, irrational thinking plentiful. If this is the best argument you can come up with...
Basically what I was saying was if it was another situation not involving a "street person" would you be so quick to dismiss the death? (and i used candybars as a non-hobo situation of random soliciting) Putting yourself or a loved one in the situation is a bad arguement? How so? This hobo almost surely had loved ones, how is considering how they might feel not rational? The OP said he didn't think the guy should be charged at all, I disagree.
Second, if it was you that was killed, you wouldn't have an opinion on his punishment, now would you?
Wow, i NEVER thought of that. Forget I said it, because its not possible for a person to consider themselves in a hypothetical situation.
To contribute, the guy should be charged with involuntary manslaughter but then be given the minimum punishment and parole / etc.
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
He should be charged. He made the choice to get physical with the guy, knocking him to the ground. It's unfortunate that the guy died but that is the potential consequence to that action.
Originally posted by: joesmoke
what if it was the same situation, but it was YOU or YOUR SON selling candy bars and not a hobo asking to wash a window. would you think he should be unpunished then?
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: joesmoke
what if it was the same situation, but it was YOU or YOUR SON selling candy bars and not a hobo asking to wash a window. would you think he should be unpunished then?
Doesnt matter WHO it is, its involuntary manslaughter legally. Death by accident is still death.
Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
Oh so you guys like dirty bums cleaning your cars? Yeah I love it when they spit on my windshield and smear it all over after I just spent hours detailing my car.