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Not going to mention names, except well mine at this juncture. I sometimes use the for sale/trade forums on this site off and on for the last few years. Have only had good experiences thus far. Bought a few items and sold a few items and never had a problem until recently.
About 3 weeks ago, I was advertising on the forums for some computer memory. I needed a GB of pc3200 memory for a computer I was going to put together this weekend. I had all the other parts but the memory. The computer is for my parents, which is neither here nor there really, but the reason I needed to have the memory by this weekend was because they were going to be out of town. This way I could strip off all the old data from their old computer for them without messing up their schedules. Still can do the job, just going to be trickier on my part.
Anyhow, so in preperation to this weekend I advertsied for some cheap memory. I had a bunch of stuff laying around and I offered it all up. Someone bit and was willing to trade straight up for a brand new in the box 1GB stick of Sony PSP duo memory I had extra.
This was on Oct 7, at the end of the day when someone responded. Basically 2 weeks ago. We made the deal to cross-trade. I said I wouldn't be able to make it over to the post office that day and since the following monday had been a holiday, I would send my memory out on that following Tuesday, 10/11. He said no big deal, that was acceptable, and he'd get the computer memory out that day with a tracking number for me.
10/11 rolls around, I never geta tracking number from him but no biggie at this point. I mail mine off to him and send him a tracking number.
10/13 comes and what I sent him, arrives. Beaware, the guy lives within driving distance, the next major town over from me, so the delivery time shouldn't take long. It didn' take that long at all with my stuff to him. less then 2 days.
Well, 10/17 starts the new week and I haven't heard word from him nor seen any package. I start asking. He says sure he sent it, and he'll get me the tracking number. No response. This basically goes on all week until today. At tis point I issue an ultimatum. Either, he sent it and HAS a number and it's late. Has a number and it got lost, or didn't send it and needs to do something about it now like paying me cash.
He didn't send it as far as I can tell. No number. So he then paypals me the money I originally paid for the product. He asked that if I get the memory in the mail from here I send it back or refund the money.
So at this point, he did at least conclude the deal. I have Money for the item, which is good but not what I oiginally wanted. I'm still SOL on having computer memory and am probably going to have to rush to a retail store after work to pay crappy retail prices for a GB of memory.
Should I leave neutral or negative feedback in this case? Also, if he does something stupid, not saying he will, but if he does like leave me negative or neutral feedback, is that correctable? I executed my part of the bargain flawlessly, which deserves positive feedback, but at most I'm probably not going to get any feedback. I am hesistant to leave him negative and have him retailiate with negative like the a$$hats on ebay do when just to "get back."
Okay, here's the updates and the facts.
1) I made a post looking to trade items for 1GB PC3200 computer memory
2) Another trader messaged me wanting to trade his item.
Here's the PM made 10/07/2005 02:37 PM:
I have a pair of Patriot dual channel PC3200 (2X512MB) sticks that I'll trade you.
3) He wants the 1GB Sony Duo memor I have that is still brand new in the box. I check the heatware and reference, mostly all good. Message back to him, we can cross-trade, but I won't be able to get mine to the post office today and it's closed monday so I'll ship on Tuesday. Once it's past lunch I can't get to the post office before it closes. 10/07 for those that don't remember is the Friday before Columbus Day. Columbus day was that Monday on 10/10 and it's a federal holiday so the post office is closed.
4) He messages back that he'll ship out today. Which means he's shipping that Friday on 10/07.
5) 10/11/05, that following Tuesday comes. I mail my item out. Sent him message about mailing confirmation. I PM'd him 10/11/05 09:37 AM.
6) I get no response from him.
7) I check tracking for the item I sent that following Monday 10/17. My item sent to him arrived 10/13. I asked for information or tracking number for the item he sent him.
8) He responds on 10/17, I'll check on it.
9) Next day, on 10/18 I message him again, since I received no word the previous day on the item he sent me. He asks for my phone number when I ask about my package.
10) I message him back my number.
11) He calls, tells me he's wanted to call so that I could hear his voice and know I'm not dealing with a troll. He said he's been busy and that he sent out my package that Friday when we last talked. He said he can't find the tracking number but is still looking for it.
12) I assumed at this point, busy meant too busy to message me back earlier. If what he meant by "busy" was the lack of message in regards to messaging me back the status of the package, that's one thing. If he meant busy in that he didn't send the package out already, that's something else. Time of the phone conversation was 1PM our time. He's in same time zone and fairly close to me.
13) Two days pass. It's 10/20/05. I PM him again. I get the excuse that he can't find the tracking number yet and is still looking for it.
14) Next day, which is last Friday and 10/21. I message him again. I ask where's the package or the information. He messages me this:
I have a DC number for you, but I unfortunately can't find it. The memory was shipped to you. I will happily return your memory to you, if you like. I can also zip you money via paypal.
However you would like to do it. Just let me know.
I would think someone that sent me something wouldn't offer to trade me back what I sent so readily nor pay for it if the item was originally sent when it was suppose to be. That made me a bit suspicious. He called me again and I asked what was going on. He said he's been busy, and lost the number. He knows he shipped out but can't pove it and will send my item back or pay me for what I paid for the item. Since my item was new in the box, I didn't want him to send it back if he opened it already. So I showed him a screenshot of the invoice of what I paid for the memory and he promptly paypal'd it to me.
15) Saturday rolls around, I check my mail. I got a package from the trader. Inside is the Patriot 1GB PC3200 computer memory sent by the guy. I check the date and time of sale. 10/18 3:04PM.
So what happened was..... the guy forgot to ship on 10/07. When I asked about it, he didn't say, I forgot, or got too busy to ship out. He said he shipped it and couldn't find the tracking number. Instead, the NEXT DAY and after I talked to him two more times about it, through PMs and on the phone, he finally ships out.
I wouldn't have minded the fact he shipped at a later date if he had told me TRUTHFULLY. He did not. He kept saying he shipped when he had not. That's not miscommunication. That's LYING. Someone willing to lie about something so trivial as forgetting to ship out an item when they said they would isn't exactly a stellar person in my book. I would have had ZERO PROBLEMS, ZERO ISSUES and this thread would NEVER HAD BEEN MADE had he simply said on 10/17 that he forgot to ship, or got too busy to ship it out when he said he would before. Instead, he told me a bold face LIE. Said he shipped when he had not. Said he lost the tracking number when he didn't have one at all.
Also, during this time, he goofed on several OTHER trades with other people who were making public claims. I won't post their stories, but we have been messaging each other about the screws this guy has had in dealing with several of us over the last few weeks. Yes, he's made "up" with each of us but not in the way everyone wanted.
So basically, we did a trade, I sent item, and he sent item AFTER asked over a week later. He lied to me about shipping item and continued to lie. However, the item did arrive. I did have to deal with the hassle though of buying some crappy PNY memory from CC and then having to return it.
I guess I'll add a poll.
original message thread
Not going to mention names, except well mine at this juncture. I sometimes use the for sale/trade forums on this site off and on for the last few years. Have only had good experiences thus far. Bought a few items and sold a few items and never had a problem until recently.
About 3 weeks ago, I was advertising on the forums for some computer memory. I needed a GB of pc3200 memory for a computer I was going to put together this weekend. I had all the other parts but the memory. The computer is for my parents, which is neither here nor there really, but the reason I needed to have the memory by this weekend was because they were going to be out of town. This way I could strip off all the old data from their old computer for them without messing up their schedules. Still can do the job, just going to be trickier on my part.
Anyhow, so in preperation to this weekend I advertsied for some cheap memory. I had a bunch of stuff laying around and I offered it all up. Someone bit and was willing to trade straight up for a brand new in the box 1GB stick of Sony PSP duo memory I had extra.
This was on Oct 7, at the end of the day when someone responded. Basically 2 weeks ago. We made the deal to cross-trade. I said I wouldn't be able to make it over to the post office that day and since the following monday had been a holiday, I would send my memory out on that following Tuesday, 10/11. He said no big deal, that was acceptable, and he'd get the computer memory out that day with a tracking number for me.
10/11 rolls around, I never geta tracking number from him but no biggie at this point. I mail mine off to him and send him a tracking number.
10/13 comes and what I sent him, arrives. Beaware, the guy lives within driving distance, the next major town over from me, so the delivery time shouldn't take long. It didn' take that long at all with my stuff to him. less then 2 days.
Well, 10/17 starts the new week and I haven't heard word from him nor seen any package. I start asking. He says sure he sent it, and he'll get me the tracking number. No response. This basically goes on all week until today. At tis point I issue an ultimatum. Either, he sent it and HAS a number and it's late. Has a number and it got lost, or didn't send it and needs to do something about it now like paying me cash.
He didn't send it as far as I can tell. No number. So he then paypals me the money I originally paid for the product. He asked that if I get the memory in the mail from here I send it back or refund the money.
So at this point, he did at least conclude the deal. I have Money for the item, which is good but not what I oiginally wanted. I'm still SOL on having computer memory and am probably going to have to rush to a retail store after work to pay crappy retail prices for a GB of memory.
Should I leave neutral or negative feedback in this case? Also, if he does something stupid, not saying he will, but if he does like leave me negative or neutral feedback, is that correctable? I executed my part of the bargain flawlessly, which deserves positive feedback, but at most I'm probably not going to get any feedback. I am hesistant to leave him negative and have him retailiate with negative like the a$$hats on ebay do when just to "get back."