What should I upgrade

Zarick

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Here are my specs:

Athlon 1.2ghz
512meg pc133
sb audigy 2
geforce 3 ti500
Asus a7v133


I am a gamer and games are now starting to get to where I can't play them well. With only about $450 to spend what should I concentrate on upgrading?
 

Briguyatx

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Go for a barton 2500+ and an nforce board, see if you can pick up some reasonably priced pc3200 ram from somebody on the forums, and try and get a good video card. you might be able to squeak in under 450, maybe a little more for shipping.

mb/cpu

Ram - get the 2x256 pc3200 for 69.00

ok now your at 200.00 (+/- shipping/taxes and whatnot if anybody charges them)
then
Video card

and your at about 425.00 for an upgrade that would probably be plenty fast for you (if you have a nice case, might want to shop around for a nice power supply also ( that board might require the extra power connections that some of the older ps's dont have))
 

1sikbITCH

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You can get everything you need for $450.

Looking at Newegg.com of course:

CPU- Barton XP 2500+ around $90

Mobo, Nforce2 boards: Starting with Shuttle AN35N-Ultra at $61.99, midrange DFI NFII ULTRA INFINITY at $93.00, Abit NF7-S at $95.00, rounding out the top of the affordable boards with the Asus A7N8X series at over $110.

Memory- personal preference, don't skimp but no need for the best memory on the planet. PC3200 is the preferred speed, and you don't need more than 512mb. I chose Buffalo Technology PC3200 (512mb for $85 or so). It seems to be working great.

If you spend $85 on memory, CPU for $90, and spend $100 on a mobo, you still have $175 for a videocard, and you can get a Radeon 9600 Pro for $150 on the same site.

Just my opinion; it's worked out for me.
 

Bonesdad

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Well, u might wanna wait till the new mobos with PCI Express start coming out...save more $$ in the meantime.

If you can't wait, then in this order:

mobo NForce2 - just about any board is good...just get teh features u want...for not much $$ the Shuttle AN35N is good (bout $63)
memory PC3200 DDR ... a single stick of 512 MB will do OK...I know u get dual DDR benefits, but not much (Buffalo or Crucial are fine, bout $85)
Video You can get the Sapphire 9800Pro for about $215...or the concensus for bang for buck seems to be the 9600XT for $150 (sapphire again)
processor Again, bang for buck sez Barton 2500+ (retail processor w/ HSF is $83)


Total for the above is $446 (with the 9800 Pro)....its a sweet little system...if you save a few bucks more you can get a nice overclocking mobo like the Abit NF7-S ($95) or the DFI Ultra Infinity ($93). That would bump it up to about $480.

U wanna make sure you have a good powersupply for these components. What kind of hard drive u got? Anyway, good luck.
 

us3rnotfound

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obviously, sound is great on your system (audigy 2), but that nforce is just as good, so you're in a dilemma here...
 

Briguyatx

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what do you guys think of my edited suggestion -.- i think it would be plenty fast for somebody for a reasonable amount of time.


Edit : you could also sell the audigy on forums and use the extra cash to upgrade a little higher. I picked a thorton on that cpu/mb link cause it seemed like a reasonable price for the mb/cpu combo.
 

1sikbITCH

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Haha we all said pretty much the same thing

Bonesdad is right; if you get the Shuttle, you might have enough to go for the 9800Pro, which is what I would do if possible.



 

l3ored

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video card is MOST important for gaming, but with that wad, you can get much more, i'd get a 9800 pro (200), athlon xp 2500 (80), nf7-s mobo (90), 512mb 2700mhz memory (100). you could try overclocking to 3200 speeds with better memory. there may be a better mobo, i havnt researched them since i got my computer two months ago
 

Sideswipe001

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Originally posted by: shminu
obviously, sound is great on your system (audigy 2), but that nforce is just as good, so you're in a dilemma here...

It's not as good for games. I personally felt getting an Audigy2 was a major upgrade over soundstorm when I used it.

Also, he can simply pay less for an nForce2 board that doesn't have soundstorm. He doesn't need it with that sound card.
 

Bonesdad

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Originally posted by: Sideswipe001
Originally posted by: shminu
obviously, sound is great on your system (audigy 2), but that nforce is just as good, so you're in a dilemma here...

It's not as good for games. I personally felt getting an Audigy2 was a major upgrade over soundstorm when I used it.

Also, he can simply pay less for an nForce2 board that doesn't have soundstorm. He doesn't need it with that sound card.



Yes, that is why I suggested the AN35N...sorry, meant to say that in my original post.
 

Zarick

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Okay but arent you guys building me a system that is pretty much obsolete already? I mean here we are with the athalon 64. the 9800 is about to go out of style. So it's not really upgrading with much of a future is it?
 
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Originally posted by: Zarick
Okay but arent you guys building me a system that is pretty much obsolete already? I mean here we are with the athalon 64. the 9800 is about to go out of style. So it's not really upgrading with much of a future is it?

the 9800 pro is down to $200 and the 2500+ has dropped in price already. the system is by no means obsolete esp considering these guys are working on a budget. Ideally, if there was no budget, people would recommend a A64 3400+ and waiting off for a new $500 viedo card
 

Briguyatx

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Its upgrading about as fast as you can get for 450.00 if your budget was about 150.00 higher i could change recommendations quite easily

If your really wanting an A64, reference my add in the for sale/trade section, but im not gonna recommend it to you because you will be over the 450.00 you said you could spend =\
Bytw, the 9800pro is going to be plenty fast for at least the next year, your not going to get much faster without spending 400-500.00 just on a video card =x
 

Bonesdad

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Save your money, then, like I sed to begin with...but you definately will spend more than $450. The ideas above are the best system for gaming you can get for $450. If you wanna put more pennies in your piggy bank, you can come back in about 6 months and get the A64. For A64, you need a new mobo, a new CPU and new memory. That would put you at over $450 probably and you still don't have a video card capable of playing games. And besides, how much of a future you got with your current system?
 

Zarick

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alright.. so you guys made a good point. Is the barton 2500 the best bang for the buck or is there an intel equivelent setup?
 

Gerbil333

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Motherboard, CPU, RAM, and video card. With $450, you can get this:

Abit NF7-S 2.0: $95 shipped
Athlon XP 2500+ Retail (includes hsf): $83 shipped
Kingston 512mb HyperX PC2700: $95 shipped
ATI Radeon 9600 XT 128mb: $151 shipped
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Total: $424

Those are all prices from Newegg. It'll get you up to speed. It won't be the best, but it will more than double your current performance. I'd also get an Antec/Enermax 350W or better PSU (no other brands, as most overrate the output). That'll cost you $50-$100, but remember you'll be able to sell your old CPU, board, RAM, and GF3 and make at least $75 back.

The 2500+ is a very nice chip. I build the machine in my sig 8 months ago, and I'm still extremly satisfied with the performance. NFSU, FarCry, and UT2004 are all running great. I'm even running at 4x AA and 16x AF in all games except for FarCry (the demo has some issues), and it's still very smooth. The system is by no means "obselete". It'll get by for another year at least. If you'd like to build a machine that'll last longer, you're going to have to save up some more and wait for the Athlon 64 to mature and drop in price. Right now you'd be hard pressed to even get the slowest A64 3000+ and a motherboard for $450 shipped -- and you'd still need some new PC3200 DDR and a better video card.

The 9800 Pro is by no means going out of style! Right now the bottleneck in games for me is my CPU. When I'm able to run the latest games (DX8-9 games; UT2k4) at very smooth frame rates with 4x AA and 16x AF at 1024x768x32 and settings at maximum quality, it's evident that the video card has a LOT of life left in it! A year later, I bet I'll be able to throw the 9800 Pro in a system with a faster CPU + mobo, turn off the AA and AF, and still play new games at high frame rates. 3DMark 2001 proves that, too...my stock score on this system is 15,615. I've seen people with 9800 Pros on Athlon 64 3200+'s and the high end P4's scoring almost 20,000 stock. So, the 9800 Pro is held back by current processors.

You may want to wait until late March-April (only 2 months), because there should be some major releases then. ATI's next GPU and AMD's next A64's should be making their debut. That stuff will be expensive, but it'd knock the prices down on the faster stuff we have right now.

obviously, sound is great on your system (audigy 2), but that nforce is just as good, so you're in a dilemma here...

NO! I've used numerous boards with the Realtek ALC650 audio chip (nForce 2 audio), and my two primary computers in my home have SoundStorm. I hate it. I'm not gonna go into detail, but an audiophile like myself will be able to instantly point out the poor sound quality. I'm using an Audigy 2 ZS, and the sound is much, much better. I gave SoundStorm a shot and hated it so much I put my old SB Live 5.1 back in the computer in under 24 hours.
 

Mday

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Originally posted by: Zarick
Here are my specs:

Athlon 1.2ghz
512meg pc133
sb audigy 2
geforce 3 ti500
Asus a7v133


I am a gamer and games are now starting to get to where I can't play them well. With only about $450 to spend what should I concentrate on upgrading?

if you want to get something now: get more RAM and a new video card. however, since you're still using PC133, you may want to save up and get a new mobo that uses DDR and get DDR memory. Gerbil's recommendation is quite sound. however, I would get more RAM than 512 if you can stretch that budget a little.
 

Zarick

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Out of curiousity.. What would just buying a 9800 pro do for me? Would I still be too landlocked by my proc and ram to see any performance increase?
 

redass1876

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not as much as the 9800 XT, but would be a nice bump, wouldnt do much with that setup right now though... you must upgrade Mobo, cpu, and ram first
 

CraigRT

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I'd change everything but the Audigy 2, and MAYBE the video card.. the video card is decent..
i'd start with the mobo/sdram.

I'd get a DDR board, and some DDR memory if anything at all.... if you have the means, upgrade everything and sell off the older stuff or something
 
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