What should I wear to an engineer interview for tech startup?

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MrDudeMan

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i don't own a suit and tie and i've been offered almost every job for which i've ever interviewed (electrical engineering design and management positions). i've also never turned someone down because of what they wore when they interviewed for my own company. i couldn't possibly care less what they're wearing as long as it's reasonable, e.g. don't show up in a thong. who the fuck cares? if you can do your job and speak intelligently, i don't give two shits how you arrange the thread that covers your sensitive bits. i notice when someone dresses nicely and it may momentarily give them slightly more of my attention, but that wears off if they bomb the interview. likewise, if someone comes in dressed like a slob, but they totally nail the interview, i'll hire them without thinking twice.
 

baydude

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I wore a suit and tie. Was a pretty tough interview but did my best so now I'll wait for a response with fingers crossed.
 

Ns1

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i notice when someone dresses nicely and it may momentarily give them slightly more of my attention, but that wears off if they bomb the interview. likewise, if someone comes in dressed like a slob, but they totally nail the interview, i'll hire them without thinking twice.

so if you have 2 identical applicants, but one is dressed well and the other one is dressed like a slob, which one do you hire?
 

TheGardener

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I wore a suit and tie. Was a pretty tough interview but did my best so now I'll wait for a response with fingers crossed.
If you are truly interested in being hired for this job, I suggest sending a card with a short handwritten message thanking the interviewer. If more than one, a card to each. Of course this is very old school. Maybe people don't do this anymore.
 

CountZero

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so if you have 2 identical applicants, but one is dressed well and the other one is dressed like a slob, which one do you hire?

In the history of interviewing technical candidates has this ever really happened?

I honestly cannot imagine a scenario where a group of people at a post interview round table actually get down to "well that guy had a suit and the other guy only had a shirt and tie".

The identical candidate aside from how they dressed is the physics equivalent of the frictionless point mass, it doesn't really happen.

In an experienced technical interview the presence of a suit jacket as the deciding factor would indicate to me that your technical interviewees are just not very good.
 

Ns1

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In the history of interviewing technical candidates has this ever really happened?

I honestly cannot imagine a scenario where a group of people at a post interview round table actually get down to "well that guy had a suit and the other guy only had a shirt and tie".

Beats me for technical candidates, but for candidates in my field it happens all the time - two equally qualified individuals, 1 job opening. Who gets the job? The guy who tried harder.
 

smackababy

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Beats me for technical candidates, but for candidates in my field it happens all the time - two equally qualified individuals, 1 job opening. Who gets the job? The guy who tried harder.



Ability to carry oneself and look decent is something that can be a big part of your job. I do consulting and dealing with big businesses sometimes requires me to dress beyond the t shirt and shorts I wear most days. Someone who can't be assed to do that for an interview is less likely do be assed to do that to meet big clients. And those people don't get hired.
 

brianmanahan

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so if you have 2 identical applicants, but one is dressed well and the other one is dressed like a slob, which one do you hire?

but what if the one who is dressed like a slob wants to work for us so bad that he got a tramp stamp of our company logo before the on-site interview?

i'd definitely hire that guy.
 

brianmanahan

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If you are truly interested in being hired for this job, I suggest sending a card with a short handwritten message thanking the interviewer. If more than one, a card to each. Of course this is very old school. Maybe people don't do this anymore.

yeah i've never done that.

had one guy send one to me after i interviewed him, but it just seemed weird.
 

MrDudeMan

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In the history of interviewing technical candidates has this ever really happened?

I honestly cannot imagine a scenario where a group of people at a post interview round table actually get down to "well that guy had a suit and the other guy only had a shirt and tie".

The identical candidate aside from how they dressed is the physics equivalent of the frictionless point mass, it doesn't really happen.

In an experienced technical interview the presence of a suit jacket as the deciding factor would indicate to me that your technical interviewees are just not very good.

if the two applicants were exactly identical with respect to the position's requirements, i'd hire the person who dressed more appropriately for the line of work. i would be just as likely to pass over someone who obviously overdressed than someone who obviously underdressed in this contrived scenario. i've hired roughly 30 people and interviewed well over 200 for technical positions and what each person wore to the interview has never shown up on a positive or negative list. as an aside, i had a guy show up in flip flops and ripped jorts for an interview once. he was one of the best hires i've ever made.

the dressed up bullshit annoys me because it seems really old-fashioned. i interviewed at a few places a few months ago when i was considering not running my own company (work-life balance issues) and i wore jeans to two and khakis to three. i casually asked over the phone what i should wear to fit in and they told me; i'd rather fit in than stick out like a sore thumb because it feels more like a normal day at the office than a dog and pony show. plus, if anyone makes a comment about it, it gives me an indication of whether or not i want to work there based on how it's handled.

like i said, i notice if someone is slightly dressed up and it certainly doesn't hurt them. however, i'm interested in what's between their ears, not what's covering their ass unless it's not actually covering their ass.
 

MrDudeMan

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yeah i've never done that.

had one guy send one to me after i interviewed him, but it just seemed weird.

i've received a few phone calls and many emails as follow-ups to interviews, which is always appreciated from my point of view. i've never been sent a handwritten note, but i don't think i'd view it any differently. a girl showed up at my house once to ask about the status of the interview; now that was weird. i actually ended up hiring her because she handled the explanation of why that was unusual quite well and she made no missteps from that point forward. she still works for me years later and my gut feeling about how she would probably learn quickly and handle criticism well was pretty accurate. it could have gone either way, though, and i realize that. sometimes it's hard to find a better applicant, so you go with what you've got.
 

MrDudeMan

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Ability to carry oneself and look decent is something that can be a big part of your job. I do consulting and dealing with big businesses sometimes requires me to dress beyond the t shirt and shorts I wear most days. Someone who can't be assed to do that for an interview is less likely do be assed to do that to meet big clients. And those people don't get hired.

i'm not sure i follow the logic. meeting clients and participating in an interview are drastically different scenarios. it's really trivial to simply ask if they're willing to dress nicely when necessary and then show them some examples to make sure everyone is on the same page. i don't infer laziness based on something that's extremely simple to examine with a question, but maybe i'm weird.
 

brianmanahan

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i've received a few phone calls and many emails as follow-ups to interviews, which is always appreciated from my point of view. i've never been sent a handwritten note, but i don't think i'd view it any differently. a girl showed up at my house once to ask about the status of the interview; now that was weird. i actually ended up hiring her because she handled the explanation of why that was unusual quite well and she made no missteps from that point forward. she still works for me years later and my gut feeling about how she would probably learn quickly and handle criticism well was pretty accurate. it could have gone either way, though, and i realize that. sometimes it's hard to find a better applicant, so you go with what you've got.

holy crap, that is weird
 

pimpin-tl

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If you have to ask the question then you aren't fit for the company. Let me put it this way, any professional job no matter what kind of company it is, you should always look your best and dress up in at least a dress shirt, tie and slacks. I always dress in a suit but then again my pay is 6 figures in IT.

I've also interviewed IT people who had suits and some wearing jeans and a polo shirt. I never hired the ones in jeans. They didn't seem to care to dress up for the interview tells me they don't care for the job either.


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smackababy

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i'm not sure i follow the logic. meeting clients and participating in an interview are drastically different scenarios. it's really trivial to simply ask if they're willing to dress nicely when necessary and then show them some examples to make sure everyone is on the same page. i don't infer laziness based on something that's extremely simple to examine with a question, but maybe i'm weird.

If I have to ask you to dress nicely, do I have to ask you to be on time every day? Do I have to ask you to keep your desk clean? What else do I have to ask? It is trivial to dress nice to an interview. If you can't do that, why should I believe you can do everything else? I'm hiring someone not only that can do the job at hand development wise, but also navigate handling clients and representing the company. Asking someone "would you do x in y" is a lot less telling than someone doing x in expectation of y already.
 

MrDudeMan

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do I have to ask you to be on time every day?
if the job has regular hours, you should tell people that. if it doesn't, then it shouldn't matter. i've had jobs of each type and it was a single sentence with no further conversation required. it's also not something a person can just know, so this is a bad example. side note: being 'on time' has never been a thing at any of the companies i've worked at and i don't have any concept of that at my company either.

meetings are the only things that i've ever been part of that needed to start on time, and i agree people should show up on time for them. if i have an employee who is habitually more than trivially late to meetings, i'll mention it to them and that fixes the issue 99% of the time. honestly, though, if this is something that gets your panties in a bunch, you may need to relax a little. i give my employees all kinds of latitude because trivial issues like this are meaningless in the grand scheme of things. i actually like if people are late because they were working; it tells me they're focused and the meeting is interrupting them, which is incentive to not waste time in meetings. i bill my clients based on my employees' timesheets, so meetings hurt, but it's not worth making a fuss over a few minutes. the chit chat that happens during that time helps reduce pressure and stress on top of fostering relationships.

Do I have to ask you to keep your desk clean?
if you're controlling, i guess you do. i keep mine clean anyway, but why do i care if one of my employees has a messy desk as long as they get their job done? then again, i'm not a micromanager. this also feels like a bad example because they may organize their desk and you still may not like it, but none of that has any bearing on their ability to do their job.

What else do I have to ask?
anything you'd like know and anything you'd like them to do would be a good start. this has very little to do with how a person dresses in my experience because you should talk about things that are important to you. how they respond should be the real data, not how you interpret things based on inference.

i've apparently taken huge risks by hiring people who didn't buy expensive clothes for a single conversation. the ones who did need to wear nice clothes were told they'd have face to face meetings with clients and business or business casual attire would be required. i tell my employees to dress comfortably in the office and they can interpret that as they see fit as long as it's not ridiculous or over the line in some way. i've never had a problem.

It is trivial to dress nice to an interview. If you can't do that, why should I believe you can do everything else?
that is, in fact, the entire point of the questions you should be asking them. if the job is to look nice and show the face of the company to clients without much other substance, then i guess you can judge them by their appearance alone. when i ask people to tell me all of the gotchas they're likely to experience when designing a 10 Gbps amplifier on a 22 nm process and they get most of it right, i don't care if they have nice shoes on or not because the job is about designing amplifiers, which can be done in slippers. if they need to talk about the design with the client, i'll say that and they get it. i assume the people i'm interviewing aren't stupid, so maybe we just have a different outlook.

I'm hiring someone not only that can do the job at hand development wise, but also navigate handling clients and representing the company.
that should be in the job description. if it is and they don't understand the expectations, then how they dress may be more of an insight, but i still wouldn't rule them out if they handled themselves well. representation and client relations are a huge part of my business, but i don't expect to hire someone and just let them go meet clients without any training. saying a single sentence about what i expect them to look like when meeting a client is hardly a big deal and then there are zero miscommunications. the rest of the training is about how i run my company and how they should reflect that. what clothing should be worn fits into that conversation naturally and my lawyer even recommended it because it protects me in many ways. i also use this as an opportunity to score points with my employees and earn their trust because i let them know if that's a problem to come see me and i will make any necessary accommodations, which means i'll buy them stuff if they can't afford it since i asked them to dress up. i pay my people well, so this has never been an issue anyway.

Asking someone "would you do x in y" is a lot less telling than someone doing x in expectation of y already.
that's true in some circumstances, but how they dress to meet me isn't automatically how they'll dress to meet my client. you've picked a single thing that you expected them to do and overlooked a billion other things that could also be expected. i've heard of people ending interviews early because a person didn't sit down from the right side of the chair or they ordered their food incorrectly or any other equally retarded reason. basing their intelligence and general utility on what they wear doesn't seem very different to me. i know you probably justify it by saying they don't have enough forethought or they don't have enough common sense, but my experience says that's not actually true.

judging a book by its cover isn't always wrong, but you're talking about a person that can be trained and is probably adaptable. maybe they are willing to do what it takes as long as they understand what you want. just because they didn't nail your entire list of needs without ever talking to you doesn't mean they're substandard.

i've hired people who turned out to be very thoughtful and conscientious employees without needing me to intervene and they weren't wearing expensive suits during the interview. it's too simple of a thing to use as an indicator of everything else.
 
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MrDudeMan

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If you have to ask the question then you aren't fit for the company. Let me put it this way, any professional job no matter what kind of company it is, you should always look your best and dress up in at least a dress shirt, tie and slacks. I always dress in a suit but then again my pay is 6 figures in IT.

I've also interviewed IT people who had suits and some wearing jeans and a polo shirt. I never hired the ones in jeans. They didn't seem to care to dress up for the interview tells me they don't care for the job either.


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i'm not sure what your pay has to do with it. i wear XKCD shirts to the office some days and i make significantly more than that, but i care as much as a person can care and i felt the same way at my last job while making way, way less.

wearing jeans and a polo to an interview isn't something i personally would do, but if the person does really well at answering questions and has an otherwise good performance, i wouldn't think twice about it assuming there weren't any red flags. i realize this is all subjective just to be clear, but the clothing thing just isn't a red flag to me unless it's beyond what we would probably all classify as reasonable. when i worked at intel, people routinely walked around the building without shoes on and others came to meetings in workout clothes. no one cared as long the job was done. the high level managers and technical people tended to dress slightly nicer, but apparently still far below your standards and many of them were 40-60 years old.
 

purbeast0

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i guess some of you would be cool with people being dressed like this at interviews then.



i'll agree to disagree with you all.
 

purbeast0

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I specifically bought a banded collar shirt for interviews, because you can't wear a tie with one

My hiring experience conflicts directly with this statement. As in, hired a guy that came to his interviews in a suit/tie, but ultimately had low levels of professionalism and common sense. My absolute best hires have been people that showed up in a dressy shirt and sometimes a tie.
The fact that we're having this discussion means that it is NOT common sense.
Common sense = just took this food out of the oven, of course it's hot
Wearing a suit and tie because... some people think you HAVE to wear a suit and tie? Not common sense. Actually, it runs counter to common sense IMO, in that there's not a valid, logical reason for it, and there isn't a universal constant for it.

i never said wearing a suit === common sense.

i said NOT wearing a suit === you are lacking common sense.

the fact we're having this discussion just means a lot of people on this forum lack common sense in social environments, which is obvious about this forum as long as i've been here. it's a nerdy tech forum, of course a lot of people lack common sense when it comes to "normal" social things.
 

pimpin-tl

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i'm not sure what your pay has to do with it. i wear XKCD shirts to the office some days and i make significantly more than that, but i care as much as a person can care and i felt the same way at my last job while making way, way less.

wearing jeans and a polo to an interview isn't something i personally would do, but if the person does really well at answering questions and has an otherwise good performance, i wouldn't think twice about it assuming there weren't any red flags. i realize this is all subjective just to be clear, but the clothing thing just isn't a red flag to me unless it's beyond what we would probably all classify as reasonable. when i worked at intel, people routinely walked around the building without shoes on and others came to meetings in workout clothes. no one cared as long the job was done. the high level managers and technical people tended to dress slightly nicer, but apparently still far below your standards and many of them were 40-60 years old.

On a daily basis, I wear either a dress shirt, no tie, and slacks. Or a Polo Shirt and slacks. Interviews are the only thing that I would require a suit or at least a dress shirt and tie. That shows you took the effort to look nice. In a enterprise related company like we are, you need to look your best to show the higher management that you mean it.
 

purbeast0

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what you wear to your job on a daily basis really should have no bearing on what you wear to an interview. i don't even see why people are bringing that up. same with the amount of dollars you make.

i make well over $100k too and wear t-shirt and jeans with sneakers to work pretty much every day too, and have had jobs that i have worn flip flops and shorts to. i'd still never wear anything other than a suit to an interview.

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my buddy who moved to cali for a job with blizzard, they flat out TOLD him before his interview not to wear a suit though. they told him how to dress, so of course he did that. and this isn't a dev position, this was for a brand new business analyst position.
 

Anubis

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my buddy who moved to cali for a job with blizzard, they flat out TOLD him before his interview not to wear a suit though. they told him how to dress, so of course he did that. and this isn't a dev position, this was for a brand new business analyst position.

that seems so odd,
 
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