What The F@@@ Do They Want.....Exactly?

[Kazukian]

Poor Jhhnn, still picking up the pieces.

Are you really that clueless and disconnected? Here's a suggestion, hop in your car and get the hell out of a metro area you're in Denver?, go to someplace like Limon, and spend an afternoon at a diner there order a chicken fried steak, and talk to some people, because I don't think you have a clue.

Colorado went to Hillary, but my county went 61% Trump, and we have a very large Hispanic population.

 

[Jaskalas]

Please. Obama was stymied by Repub obstructionism & the backlash election of 2010.
"Failed to act" is in no way accurate.
It's interesting how the dogpile develops while the basic question goes unanswered.
What do Trumpsters want & how does that mesh with reality?

How can you remain so tone deaf? Maybe it's too soon...

Let's clarify the subject. First, the voters who felt "left behind" and "forgotten Americans".
Sportage wants to know why, what do they want?

I told him, and you, exactly what they want. Bernie Sanders over performed, people want a revolution, hope and change.
You think they can't be the same voters? Maybe not, especially not all, but maybe some. Trump spoke of change, he spoke of hope for economics in terms they understood. Jobs, offshoring. NAFTA bad, Trump good. Simple argument. It's effective, it reaches rural voters, it reaches people living in economic devastation. It does not matter that Trump will (likely) fail them, they are so desperate they let him con them.

Second, voter turn out. Let's round. In 2008 Obama had nearly 70 million votes. In 2016 Clinton has 60 million.
You let Clinton convince you to go for Neoconservatism, to side with Wall Street, to settle for mediocrity.
You curbed voter enthusiasm. You tanked voter turnout, let Trump run away with the hope for change. He's the outsider, he's the fixer.

You need to be the outsider, you need to be the fixer.
It must be laid out clearly by an articulate, young, charismatic person. (Obama 2008) You need vision and leadership to lead our people. You have to reach out with a solution that will help them, that they can see, taste, feel, and believe in. You have to con them if you must, Trump did it. If it's for a good cause, fight. Do not settle for old corrupt money and interests from the 90s. This is time for a new generation who backed Bernie Sanders to step out and trash the GOP.

 

[Sunburn74]

This is time for a new generation who backed Bernie Sanders to step out and trash the GOP.

Almost certainly will happen. Texas is actually where it'll happen. The GOP has abandoned the cities which are growing immensely fast and are turning deep blue. Houston, Dallas, Austin and San Antonio (and pretty much everything south of San Antonio) are all blue and getting darker. Once Texas falls, it's all over. At the current rate of margin closure, you're looking at 10-15 years, maybe sooner if trump really screws the pooch. When bush ran GOP was winning Texas by 30 percentage points but now it's down to 10%.

 

[dank69]

How can you remain so tone deaf? Maybe it's too soon...

Let's clarify the subject. First, the voters who felt "left behind" and "forgotten Americans".
Sportage wants to know why, what do they want?

I told him, and you, exactly what they want. Bernie Sanders over performed, people want a revolution, hope and change.
You think they can't be the same voters? Maybe not, especially not all, but maybe some. Trump spoke of change, he spoke of hope for economics in terms they understood. Jobs, offshoring. NAFTA bad, Trump good. Simple argument. It's effective, it reaches rural voters, it reaches people living in economic devastation. It does not matter that Trump will (likely) fail them, they are so desperate they let him con them.

Second, voter turn out. Let's round. In 2008 Obama had nearly 70 million votes. In 2016 Clinton has 60 million.
You let Clinton convince you to go for Neoconservatism, to side with Wall Street, to settle for mediocrity.
You curbed voter enthusiasm. You tanked voter turnout, let Trump run away with the hope for change. He's the outsider, he's the fixer.

You need to be the outsider, you need to be the fixer.
It must be laid out clearly by an articulate, young, charismatic person. (Obama 2008) You need vision and leadership to lead our people. You have to reach out with a solution that will help them, that they can see, taste, feel, and believe in. You have to con them if you must, Trump did it. If it's for a good cause, fight. Do not settle for old corrupt money and interests from the 90s. This is time for a new generation who backed Bernie Sanders to step out and trash the GOP.

Maybe the rust belt could have taken a look at who controls their state governments; you know, the people who have a lot more influence on their lives than the federal government does; instead of blaming Obama and Clinton.

 

[Jaskalas]

Maybe the rust belt could have taken a look at who controls their state governments; you know, the people who have a lot more influence on their lives than the federal government does; instead of blaming Obama and Clinton.

First, it's not just them who are hurting. Second, it's been trending badly for ~40 years.
Blame? No... it's about voting for someone to change the status quo. Rip out the establishment, bring back their jobs.
Trump's failure will teach them those jobs don't exist. What they need next is a replacement. A policy that can help them.

This turmoil must be channeled into something productive. It helped Bernie challenge Clinton, and it helped Trump con enough votes.
In 2020, use it to channel progress.

 

[Jhhnn]

Poor Jhhnn, still picking up the pieces.

Are you really that clueless and disconnected? Here's a suggestion, hop in your car and get the hell out of a metro area you're in Denver?, go to someplace like Limon, and spend an afternoon at a diner there order a chicken fried steak, and talk to some people, because I don't think you have a clue.

Colorado went to Hillary, but my county went 61% Trump, and we have a very large Hispanic population.

Please. Your refusal to be specific is telling. All I get out of it is that a lot of Conservatives have really shitty attitudes about the majority of their countrymen & the way we live. We can't all be White & we can't all live in the Country, either.

I wonder how your large Latino population feels about Trump love. Ask 'em for me, will ya?

 

[Jhhnn]

First, it's not just them who are hurting. Second, it's been trending badly for ~40 years.
Blame? No... it's about voting for someone to change the status quo. Rip out the establishment, bring back their jobs.
Trump's failure will teach them those jobs don't exist. What they need next is a replacement. A policy that can help them.

This turmoil must be channeled into something productive. It helped Bernie challenge Clinton, and it helped Trump con enough votes.
In 2020, use it to channel progress.

Heh. If more people had voted for Clinton we wouldn't be waiting for 2020.

 

[hal2kilo]

The election is over. Time for us all to be American again.

who's America?

 

[hal2kilo]

I say give the voters what they want. They want full GOP control a mere 8 years after Bush and Cheney brought us to the brink of collapse? Go for it. Dems should get the fuck out of the way and let them do everything the GOP wants. Repeal the ACA. Eliminate the EPA. Repeal Dodd-Frank. Frack the shit out of the rust belt. I won't even mention all the social and foreign policy issues. I'm going to laugh and laugh when MI/WI/IN/OH/PA are all nothing but a cloud of dust in 4 years. I used to feel bad for these people. Not anymore. Too bad, so sad. Not going to shed a tear for people who would embarrass our nation by electing a clown to run things.
Just pointing and laughing at the huge hypocrisy is all. Pretty sure you weren't a very big Obama fan the last 8 years, haha.

He's been playing the perfect objective political center, haven't you figured that out yet.

 

[lopri]

An average voter is much less invested in politics than most AT P&N posters, let alone an enthusiastic one like the OP. We all make decisions with imperfect information, and for some the fact that Clinton has been in D.C. for the past decade and that their lives have not improved is enough information for them to base their vote on. I speak this from a real-life experience.

 

[rudder]

Posting in another sportage post election meltdown thread........LOL

+1

 

[rudder]

I say give the voters what they want. They want full GOP control a mere 8 years after Bush and Cheney brought us to the brink of collapse?

You do realize that the last time the Republicans had control of both the Presidency and both houses of congress was 1928. And don't say this caused the depression... that statement will quickly destroy any credibility you may have.

Stop getting all of your political knowledge from memes and infographics.

 

[WackyDan]

OP needs to be a bit more rational. People of all stripes vote for their candidate. I think you'd find fairly equal demographic of college educated, HS diploma, GED, drop outs, Business owners, rich, poor, redneck, hippie, etc on both side of the voting block.

People in the rust belt voted for Trump indeed because he was an alternative. They didn't vote for him because they are racist, stupid, etc. They voted for him because they have traditionally voted Democrat election after election and they are now understanding that voting that way doesn't fucking do shit for their plight. So along comes an "outsider" and people wonder why they vote for him?

One of the biggest fucking falsehoods of politics is that we can restore their jobs. Fact... Free trade agreements affected factory workers in the south more than in the rust belt. The reality is, since 1979 GM, Ford, etc have all been making more cars here in the USA but doing it with less human labor. Same for the metals industry. Automation is what is replacing jobs and it is getting worse. Fast food is expanding it's use. Self driving cars will ultimately all but eliminate cab drivers and also reduce the need to have police on as much traffic patrol so I guess we'll be laying off police officers too. Every politician promises jobs. All the rhetoric about the trade agreements and jobs in EVERY election cycle were just flat out pandering to both bases and outright avoiding a very frank discussion that any administration or politician running for office should be having with it's population/electorate.

http://nypost.com/2016/11/02/robots-are-taking-more-factory-jobs-than-mexico-or-china/

 

[dank69]

You do realize that the last time the Republicans had control of both the Presidency and both houses of congress was 1928. And don't say this caused the depression... that statement will quickly destroy any credibility you may have.

Stop getting all of your political knowledge from memes and infographics.

I guess 2003-2006 didn't happen then.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Has he ever had a conversation with anyone? I haven't been here much but I don't remember anything other than pedantic pedagogy.

That is still his M.O. brudda.

 

[sandorski]

When you lose an Election, this is how you react

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Too bad many of her supporters don't act the same

 

[BAMAVOO]

You keep bringing up the uneducated voter. You do know The Donald's voters make more money than your Hillary voters. So maybe they lack FORMAL education, but I know a lot of house builders, siding company owners and other construction owners with no college degree that make in the millions a year. That is people I personally know.

 

[Aikouka]

Any party that plans to trot out another career politician 4 years from now is destined to lose.

The problem is that we still do that in the house and the senate. We want change, which we heap upon a single person that represents a single branch, which like the others, is supposed to be subjected to checks and balances by the others. Obviously, we can't directly affect the judicial branch at that high of power, but we are capable of affecting the legislative branch; however, we usually choose to nominate the same person every reelection. Term limits might be the only decent option as it stops the concept of career politicians and forces the party to bring up someone new.

 

[rudder]

I guess 2003-2006 didn't happen then.

My bad meant to also point out the president coming in with a Supreme Court pick. But neither here nor there.... What specific legislation between 2003-2006 caused the recession?

 

[shortylickens]

they want overt racism and pussy grabbing to be socially acceptable again.
And it looks like some folks are already taking advantage of it.

 

[momeNt]

who's America?

No matter what, it will always be "The People". That's the way Thomas Jefferson saw it, and that's the way it still is, God Bless the 2nd amendment.

 

[Kazukian]

Please. Your refusal to be specific is telling. All I get out of it is that a lot of Conservatives have really shitty attitudes about the majority of their countrymen & the way we live. We can't all be White & we can't all live in the Country, either.

I wonder how your large Latino population feels about Trump love. Ask 'em for me, will ya?

When the hell did I turn into Google? Look it up, the SCOTUS is all I really cared about, that and keeping your female version of Cheney out of the White House.

 

[Jhhnn]

When the hell did I turn into Google? Look it up, the SCOTUS is all I really cared about, that and keeping your female version of Cheney out of the White House.

Heh. You earlier accused me of being clueless & disconnected. I thought maybe you'd have a clue, yourself. Apparently not.

 

[Kazukian]

Heh. You earlier accused me of being clueless & disconnected. I thought maybe you'd have a clue, yourself. Apparently not.

Actually I do, just tired of your games Jhhnn. How's it feel to have been so wrong? Worst EC showing since 1988, strong work vetting Hillary, LOL.