What the heck happened? R9 290 series price increase by $100?!

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Will Robinson

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Originally Posted by Keysplayr
The money has to be pulled from somewhere. It does indeed appear to be a "bubble" like phenomenon and when that bubble bursts, there will be literally thousands of R* 2xx cards flooding the used GPU market. So hang tight.

The used video card market is big and important?
 

Erenhardt

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My 7870 was at a great discount (by EU standards), with 2 free games included. It plays games nicely, and is making $. Now I regret getting motherboard with single PCIex16 slot ;/

But if you need to have the best, here, and now, go ahead and pay premium
 

KingFatty

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What would happen if crypto currency is a bubble and it bursts and all the mining rigs are liquidated to sell off?

I'm trying to understand how that's bad for AMD? Personally I would be hoping for the price to crash so I could get a cheap 290 card. But if others feel the same way, wouldn't that be good for AMD to put used video cards into the hands of lots of bargain-hunting gamers?

AMD already made money the first time they sold the cards, but they will be gaining future customers who have been converted to AMD loyalists by purchasing bargain-priced used high performance cards. So maybe AMD won't be losing customers in this situation, because they will be winning a bigger customer base due to getting their used cards into the hands of bargain hunters who will eventually upgrade. And the big daddy customers who buy new cards, they will just be buying the 390 video cards that come out next?

Also, I think it's a shame that the Motley Fool article seems biased, because typically this situation is where you have the market demonstrating it's preference. The market has decided that there is a desirable feature that all video cards should have. Currently AMD video cards have this feature so the market rewarded AMD by purchasing all their cards. Currently Nvidia cards don't have this feature, so it seems they will adopt it in the next iteration to satisfy market demand?
 

IEC

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I bought 290s for gaming and the chance at unlocking to 290x. Coin mining is only secondary, though admittedly a nice benefit.
 

Warsam71

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Stupid Bitcoin miners screwed up the price of the card and I can't find any MFG selling it for its retail price of $399. I was waiting until my check got in for this month before I bought it and now I'm screwed until...who knows?

Does anyone know anywhere still selling the thing for $399?

At least I can take solace in the fact these bitcoin idiots don't realize what diminishing returns and depreciation of value mean.

Have you found one yet?
I was helping a customer yesterday and learned that CDW had a few in stock. Not sure if there are any left by now. (I just did a quick search and didn't find any on NewEgg, TigerDirect and Amazon).

I think the best thing to do is setting up email alerts or notifications...
 

MrDark

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Have you found one yet?
I was helping a customer yesterday and learned that CDW had a few in stock. Not sure if there are any left by now. (I just did a quick search and didn't find any on NewEgg, TigerDirect and Amazon).

I think the best thing to do is setting up email alerts or notifications...

Not even a hint of one. I was considering just giving up and going with the GTX 780 since AMD cards always seem to make Photoshop and 3DS Max work wonky for me anyway, but I don't want to buy a new monitor for Gsync. I hope these retailers doing the gouging are bitten in the ass when people try and send these things back depending on the return policies.
 

Fallen Kell

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Where is the money coming from behind the bitcoin/Litecoin/Anycoin thing? You can't just generate money from nothing and the original values had to come from somewhere with REAL money backing them, and why are they worth what they are worth?
I can see this is the reason for the rise in pricing if corps are buying them all up.

These "coins" are a mathematical result to a function. The function was designed from the beginning to have a mathematical finite number of results, of which the difficulty in obtaining a valid result grows in complexity as the number of results are found. This creates a computational requirement to generate a valid result that is increasing in complexity as time goes on. Due to the finite number, and computational requirement of producing a result, along with a subsequent creation of ways to cryptographically save and transfer the result using various methods which impart a level of anonymity to the people performing the transaction, bitcoins have a speculative market value (just like shares of stock). Initially bitcoins were basically a token that ensure a measurement of computational activity occurred and was a way to "pay" to prove that you had performed a calculation.

As more and more people see the benefits of anonymous payment/holdings/etc., and as more and more services accept bitcoins (or provide exchanges to convert other forms of currency for bitcoins and vice versa), their "value" has grown. I'm still kicking myself for not buying as many as I could when they were around $0.005 per bitcoin. There is an article out there about a research student who bought about $30 worth of bitcoins back in 2008 or 2009 for doing a paper and then forgot about them. Only a few months ago when news articles were popping up right and left about their huge price explosions did he remember he bought a bunch, figured out what username/password he stored them under and saw they were now worth almost $1million.
 

SimianR

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I was able to grab an MSI R9 290 for $420 a few days ago. I got it as a nice little upgrade from my Geforce 760 and as a side benefit I've been mining as well. I do think it's a huge risk at the moment to buy a bunch of cards at inflated prices, but if you can get an R9 280x/290/290x for a reasonable price then mining is just a nice bonus to help pay for the card

Hopefully the prices/stock levels start to return to normal as the LTC mining difficulty increases, so that some actual gamers can get cards
 
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These "coins" are a mathematical result to a function. The function was designed from the beginning to have a mathematical finite number of results, of which the difficulty in obtaining a valid result grows in complexity as the number of results are found. This creates a computational requirement to generate a valid result that is increasing in complexity as time goes on. Due to the finite number, and computational requirement of producing a result, along with a subsequent creation of ways to cryptographically save and transfer the result using various methods which impart a level of anonymity to the people performing the transaction, bitcoins have a speculative market value (just like shares of stock). Initially bitcoins were basically a token that ensure a measurement of computational activity occurred and was a way to "pay" to prove that you had performed a calculation.

As more and more people see the benefits of anonymous payment/holdings/etc., and as more and more services accept bitcoins (or provide exchanges to convert other forms of currency for bitcoins and vice versa), their "value" has grown. I'm still kicking myself for not buying as many as I could when they were around $0.005 per bitcoin. There is an article out there about a research student who bought about $30 worth of bitcoins back in 2008 or 2009 for doing a paper and then forgot about them. Only a few months ago when news articles were popping up right and left about their huge price explosions did he remember he bought a bunch, figured out what username/password he stored them under and saw they were now worth almost $1million.

I know basically what you said. What I still don't understand is why one would pay real money for the results of these functions. Is there some practical value to the results? In other words, where does the real money come from and how are the people that provide the real money making money themselves.
 

monstercameron

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I know basically what you said. What I still don't understand is why one would pay real money for the results of these functions. Is there some practical value to the results? In other words, where does the real money come from and how are the people that provide the real money making money themselves.

it is all in the trust.
 

Keysplayr

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I know basically what you said. What I still don't understand is why one would pay real money for the results of these functions. Is there some practical value to the results? In other words, where does the real money come from and how are the people that provide the real money making money themselves.

Exactly. What is the reasoning behind all this that a "result" actually became a monetary value? I mean, why hasn't Folding @ Home become a monetary value? It produces results too. MilkyWay@Home, WCG, the list goes on infinitely.
When and How did bitcoin become money. It's like asking what caused the big bang and probably just as hard to explain.

BTW thank you Kell for trying to explain it.
 
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hawtdawg

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Exactly. What is the reasoning behind all this that a "result" actually became a monetary value? I mean, why hasn't Folding @ Home become a monetary value? It produces results too. MilkyWay@Home, WCG, the list goes on infinitely.
When and How did bitcoin become money. It's like asking what caused the big bang and probably just as hard to explain.

BTW thank you Kell for trying to explain it.



Bitcoin is worth money, because people see value in the system that it's based on. There is no central control. You can transfer money anywhere in the world almost instantly etc. Bitcoin itself might not be the one that makes it, but people see the value in what Bitcoin is or is trying to be.

Mining is just the part of the system that releases the coins, and confirms the transactions. Getting a result, results in coins, because mining is a vital part of making sure the system works.


But while we're at it, why in the hell does a piece of paper have value? It's only because people accept that it's worth something, and nothing else.
 

hawtdawg

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I know basically what you said. What I still don't understand is why one would pay real money for the results of these functions. Is there some practical value to the results? In other words, where does the real money come from and how are the people that provide the real money making money themselves.

You're completely missing the point. The value comes from the value that people see in the Bitcoin system itself, not from some "result" that a miner gets.
 

Keysplayr

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Bitcoin is worth money, because people see value in the system that it's based on. There is no central control. You can transfer money anywhere in the world almost instantly etc. Bitcoin itself might not be the one that makes it, but people see the value in what Bitcoin is or is trying to be.

Mining is just the part of the system that releases the coins, and confirms the transactions. Getting a result, results in coins, because mining is a vital part of making sure the system works.


But while we're at it, why in the hell does a piece of paper have value? It's only because people accept that it's worth something, and nothing else.

It's backed by something. The paper is just representative of Federal Reserves promise to make good on the note with something of real value. Gold for example.

I don't know about you, but I can't generate gold with any GPU. Gold is real. Tangible. Bitcoin is make-believe that somehow, someway, attained value. I'm sorry but it's just not a concept that my puny mind is readily able to grasp. :biggrin:
 
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Except the currency -> gold link has long been rid off and now your fiat paper notes are backed by nothing but other people's trust that its worth something.

The USD is in a very special situation, if it weren't for historic reasons, USA printing billions of essentially worthless paper fiat on a daily basis would have driven any other currency to ruin.
 
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Bitcoin is worth money, because people see value in the system that it's based on. There is no central control. You can transfer money anywhere in the world almost instantly etc. Bitcoin itself might not be the one that makes it, but people see the value in what Bitcoin is or is trying to be.

Mining is just the part of the system that releases the coins, and confirms the transactions. Getting a result, results in coins, because mining is a vital part of making sure the system works.


But while we're at it, why in the hell does a piece of paper have value? It's only because people accept that it's worth something, and nothing else.

I see your point, but I still dont really understand it. Granted, paper money is no longer backed by gold, but it is issued by a known and *supposedly* reliable entity. Bitcoins seem just to have appeared out of nowhere. I also wonder if eventually the government might step in and regulate them, since it almost seems like printing your own money.

Also, why the sudden resurgence? I thought I read several months ago that it was becoming unprofitable to mine them, and that there was some specialized device that was much more efficient than a gpu.
 

blackened23

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The problem with this entire argument is that the dollar doesn't shift in volume and lose half of its value overnight. Bitcoin isn't a stable currency. There is far too much fluctuation.

"Real" currencies do not have this issue. The dollar isn't going to lose 80% of its value overnight. That has happened to bitcoin in the past, and will likely happen again. Let's see, just last week bitcoins lost half their value. Now they're up to 2/3rds of that value. Whatever. Like I said. Not a stable currency and may not be an accepted one going into the future, since some governments refuse to recognize it (china, for instance).
 

Imouto

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Cryptocurrencies are used as trade tokens. Companies operating with them don't store their profits in that currency, they cash them out almost immediately. Most of them have variable prices based on the current exchange rate.

The key for a cryptocurrency to be successful is having a lot of buy and sell orders, not being stable or its value. Take for example a newegg like store operating in Bitcoins:

10:00 Item price changed to the current exchange rate.
10:01 Item bought by some customer for 1 coin.
10:03 Transaction confirmed.
10:07 Coin cashed out in $ or whatever.+

Rinse and repeat.
 

AnandThenMan

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But it started out that way. It had a logical and tangible beginning.
You see the difference I am trying to point out?
Why in the world does it matter? No one cares in the slightest if the system is not based on some idealistic monetary structure.
 
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