What is your definition of classic? The first English cookbook with an ice cream receipe said this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs._Mary_Eales's_Receipts
Using that definition, then fruit and fruit frozen in lemonade to be added to the ice cream are as classic as it gets in ice cream.
Now, if your definition of classic is the 1980s America, then you are correct. Vanilla, chocolate, and strawberry would be that definition of classic.
If your definition of classic is when it was first invented, then I guess plain or camphor flavored would be the original.
You are going by 1980s America then? That is a perfectly fine definition. But it isn't the only definition of classic.By classic, I think every sane person in this thread is referring to what most people would generally associate with as a traditional, or as OP put it, 'Good ol' fashioned' flavor -- chocolate, vanilla, strawberry.
Nice try. If you are eating unflavored ice cream mixed with lemon, you aren't eating lemon ice cream any more than I am eating chocolate ice cream when I put chocolate sauce on my vanilla ice cream. Secondly, the part about lemon flavor in your post was clearly referring to soda mixed with cream, not ice cream and only later mentions that ice cream could be substituted but makes no mention that lemon ice cream was available.I suppose the popular thing of the day was the ice cream soda. In which the ice cream was probably unflavored since they added the fruit or other flavorings before serving it.
Several articles from that era: http://www.thisvictorianlife.com/ice-cream-sodas.html
Then that made way to the Sunday, which became the ice cream sundae.
Chocolate, vanilla and strawberry have been mainstream since the 1800s at least.You are going by 1980s America then? That is a perfectly fine definition. But it isn't the only definition of classic.
Yes. But so were many other flavors in the 1800s. Fruit (of any flavor available at the time) was the most common then.Chocolate, vanilla and strawberry have been mainstream since the 1800s at least.
Then should we say unflavored was the classic?Nice try. If you are eating unflavored ice cream mixed with lemon, you aren't eating lemon ice cream any more than I am eating chocolate ice cream when I put chocolate sauce on my vanilla ice cream. Secondly, the part about lemon flavor in your post was clearly referring to soda mixed with cream, not ice cream and only later mentions that ice cream could be substituted but makes no mention that lemon ice cream was available.
I believe ice cream went mainstream in Philadelphia sometime in the 1800s. Howard Johnson's 28 flavors listed Lemon but once you've gotten to 28 flavors you've moved beyond "classic" IMO.
Again, putting strawberries on or in your vanilla ice cream does not make strawberry ice cream. The flavoring has to be mixed in before it is frozen.Yes. But so were many other flavors in the 1800s. Fruit (of any flavor available at the time) was the most common then.
Strawberries in unflavored ice cream. Not strawberries in vanilla ice cream.Again, putting strawberries on or in your vanilla ice cream does not make strawberry ice cream. The flavoring has to be mixed in before it is frozen.
That doesn't change the point.Strawberries in unflavored ice cream. Not strawberries in vanilla ice cream.
Your point seems to be that we go with the base recipe: sugar, cream, and ice. That would be unflavored. Then your second point seems to be the common flavors added were chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, and lemon but forget the lemon.That doesn't change the point.
Yes, you could say that unflavored was the most classic ice cream, but since it isn't flavored, it can't be the most classic flavored ice cream, now can it?Then should we say unflavored was the classic?
One article there said the four most popular flavorings added were chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, and then lemon in that order. Why just stop at the first three?
I'd have to see this article to properly verify your claim, but regardless, when is the last time any national brand offered lemon ice cream?Your point seems to be that we go with the base recipe: sugar, cream, and ice. That would be unflavored. Then your second point seems to be the common flavors added were chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, and lemon but forget the lemon.
I linked it above:I'd have to see this article to properly verify your claim, but regardless, when is the last time any national brand offered lemon ice cream?
Chocolate is the favorite. Next, in the order named, come vanilla, strawberry and lemon. The bulk of the ice cream soda is consumed by women and children. Men often enjoy it, but usually call for phosphates or egg drinks.
Holy shit, I already told you that was referring to ice cream soda flavors, where they specifically mentioned that they weren't even using ice cream for the most part.I linked it above:
http://www.thisvictorianlife.com/ice-cream-sodas.html
-Source: Burton, Charles Pierce. "The American Drink." Current Literature. Volume 21. 1897. p. 51.
I'm not good with moving targets. First you wanted something as old as the oldest living person, and now you want modern national brands.
So, your answer is unflavored was the classic.Holy shit, I already told you that was referring to ice cream soda flavors, where they specifically mentioned that they weren't even using ice cream for the most part.
Don't make me repeat myself:So, your answer is unflavored was the classic.
So, your answer is unflavored was the classic.
I asked which definition of classic is being used. If it is a point of time in most of our childhoods, then I said yes, chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry are the classics. You pointed out turn of the century (1900s) as a definition of classic. In which case most ice cream was unflavored as it was used mostly in sodas, phosphates, and sundaes (added syrup flavorings of the day were chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, and lemon). Now you are back to stores today, in which case the top three would be vanilla, chocolate, and Cookies n' cream (at least in America).Also, keep ignoring the enduring part of the definition of classic or point me to all the containers of unflavored ice cream we can find in stores today.
If you were paying attention when I first made that post, or if you were paying attention to my last post where I already clarified this, I wasn't trying to put an upper limit on the year. I was putting a lower limit on it.I asked which definition of classic is being used. If it is a point of time in most of our childhoods, then I said yes, chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry are the classics. You pointed out turn of the century (1900s) as a definition of classic. In which case most ice cream was unflavored as it was used mostly in sodas, phosphates, and sundaes. Now you are back to stores today, in which case the top three would be vanilla, chocolate, and Cookies n' cream (at least in America).
I'm okay with any of the definitions of classic. But, please choose one and go with it. Then we can list the ice cream flavors that were popular at that time.
How about giving a year instead of being vague? I'm okay with any answer as I'm agnostic on the definition of common flavors of ice cream. Lemon isn't what I consider classic myself. But over much of history it was classic. Thus, we need a specific definition of classic that we can all post about.If you were paying attention when I first made that post, or if you were paying attention to my last post where I already clarified this, I wasn't trying to put an upper limit on the year. I was putting a lower limit on it.
I thought it was already clear. If classic is defined as "something from my childhood" then classic should be limited to about 1900 to 2000How about giving a year instead of being vague? I'm okay with any answer as I'm agnostic on the definition of common flavors of ice cream. Lemon isn't what I consider classic myself. But over much of history it was classic. Thus, we need a specific definition of classic that we can all post about.
But that is still too vague since the popular flavors changed immensely over that period.I thought it was already clear. If classic is defined as "something from my childhood" then classic should be limited to about 1900 to 2000
Of course they have, but lemon was not popular ever in that period.But that is still too vague since the popular flavors changed immensely over that period.
Lemon was very much a common flavor to add. Unless you do not include added flavors, in which case the most popular "flavor" was unflavored over much of that period. But unflavored is almost unheard of today. That is why we need a specific date so that we can post productively. A 100 year period is too vague to have a consensus answer.Of course they have, but lemon was not popular ever in that period.