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poofyhairguy

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Yes house would be warmer and office feels cooler.

Everything done creates heat no matter what. Nothing can create cold. Cold really does not exist. Only states are "heat" and "absence of heat". You can move heat but once created it exists.

Early refrigerators had the compressor and condenser on top of the unit. Instead of underneath and on the back. Because they where built to be as efficient as possible. People complained about the looks so efficiency was tossed for ascetics. So now we produce heat to chill our food and then produce more heat to move that heat outside with the AC.

Ok, if you don't mind if I ask one more stupid question I would really appreciate it:

Why do fans work then? Like for example if I run my ceiling fan in my closed bedroom it feels cooler in there then before I turned the fan on. Is it shoving the heat into the corners or something and I am just not feeling it because I am not standing in the corners? What is going on there?
 

piasabird

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I recently saw a website where they basically just took a bucket filled it with ice and added a fan and some vent holes to make a cheap air conditioner. I looked at that and wondered what kind of results you could get.

http://www.instructables.com/id/5-Gallon-Bucket-Air-Conditioner/step6/Enjoy-Your-Cool-Air/

In the instructions they use a styrofoam liner and fill it with old Ice popsickle bags filled with water that can be frozen. You could just buy some medical ice packs and hang them vertically. The air flows around the bags down and out the bottom.
 
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piasabird

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Fan does many things. Your body gets hot and moisture comes our of your skin to cool the surface of your body, by using a fan the moisture is cooled off and evaporates into the air making you cooler and drying you out. Fans only help a little bit and only if the air in your house is cool. They also move air around. Hot air rises and cold air sinks. So if you keep circulating air from bottom to top it helps to equalize the air temp and makes the air conditioner work better. Ideally you want an air conditioner that sucks air off the top of the room and through a return vent back to the air conditioner. Another method is to blow cool air through the top layer in a dispersed pattern and let that cool down the top and then the cool air sinks into the bottom of the room.
 

DrPizza

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Uhhhh,

OP, what's your climate?
Phoenix: box fan in the window is NOT going to work. AC or swamp cooler
Georgia: swamp cooler isn't going to work. AC
Northeast: swamp cooler isn't going to work. AC or window fan.

It depends a bit on your temperatures at night. If temperatures at night are nice, then fan on full blast at night, drawing in fresh cool air. Fan off first thing in the morning, window closed, shade pulled down to prevent as much heat from entering as possible.
 

Kwatt

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Ok, if you don't mind if I ask one more stupid question I would really appreciate it:

One of my high school teachers once told me the only "stupid" question is the one I should have asked and didn't.


Why do fans work then? Like for example if I run my ceiling fan in my closed bedroom it feels cooler in there then before I turned the fan on. Is it shoving the heat into the corners or something and I am just not feeling it because I am not standing in the corners? What is going on there?

This:

Fan does many things. Your body gets hot and moisture comes our of your skin to cool the surface of your body, by using a fan the moisture is cooled off and evaporates into the air making you cooler and drying you out. Fans only help a little bit and only if the air in your house is cool. They also move air around. Hot air rises and cold air sinks. So if you keep circulating air from bottom to top it helps to equalize the air temp and makes the air conditioner work better. Ideally you want an air conditioner that sucks air off the top of the room and through a return vent back to the air conditioner. Another method is to blow cool air through the top layer in a dispersed pattern and let that cool down the top and then the cool air sinks into the bottom of the room.

I would add to be careful with a fan in hot and humid weather. Once the room temp gets above body temp and humidity gets too high for evaporation from the skin to take place. A fan can become unwise to use. I remember reading about it years ago during a heat wave. But. I don't recall the levels.


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poofyhairguy

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One of my high school teachers once told me the only "stupid" question is the one I should have asked and didn't.

I appreciate that but as a nerd it is kinda embarrassing that my science knowledge is so thin. Makes me feel like a poser.

I do really appreciate all the explanations though!
 

HeXen

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Fan does many things. Your body gets hot and moisture comes our of your skin to cool the surface of your body, by using a fan the moisture is cooled off and evaporates into the air making you cooler and drying you out. Fans only help a little bit and only if the air in your house is cool. They also move air around. Hot air rises and cold air sinks. So if you keep circulating air from bottom to top it helps to equalize the air temp and makes the air conditioner work better. Ideally you want an air conditioner that sucks air off the top of the room and through a return vent back to the air conditioner. Another method is to blow cool air through the top layer in a dispersed pattern and let that cool down the top and then the cool air sinks into the bottom of the room.

Or you can place a fan next to your A/C and aim it up towards the ceiling. My upstairs gets brutally hot from all the heat on the first floor rising. Plus it's a long, narrow room with a window A/C at one end, I noticed a huge difference by just placing a fan next to it aiming upwards. So imo, fans not just help a little bit, but can help a lot.

Shame those dyson fans aren't worth a fiddler's fuck.
 

Carson Dyle

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Fan does many things. Your body gets hot and moisture comes our of your skin to cool the surface of your body, by using a fan the moisture is cooled off and evaporates into the air making you cooler and drying you out. Fans only help a little bit and only if the air in your house is cool. They also move air around. Hot air rises and cold air sinks. So if you keep circulating air from bottom to top it helps to equalize the air temp and makes the air conditioner work better. Ideally you want an air conditioner that sucks air off the top of the room and through a return vent back to the air conditioner. Another method is to blow cool air through the top layer in a dispersed pattern and let that cool down the top and then the cool air sinks into the bottom of the room.

If the fan is blowing directly on you, there's also thermal conduction, which doesn't involve evaporation. Like a fan blowing over a heatsink. Doesn't really require cool air. If it's 93 degrees outside and it's 93 degree inside, you can still stay remarkably cool with a fan blowing directly on you.
 

Red Squirrel

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A fan can accelerate evaporation/dissipation of heat so it will make you feel cooler, but it will not actually cool the air. A fan, like any electrical item also produces heat, so there comes a point where they may actually be counter productive, but they will help you feel a bit more comfortable if you have no AC and have it blowing right on you. On hot nights I'll sometimes have one running in my bedroom pointing towards me. Sometimes I fire up the furnace blower for a bit just to move air around the house.

Bottom line is though if you really want to cool an area you need A/C or equivalent. A bunch of peltiers on a panel that goes in the window could work too, hot side is outside and cold side is inside. Would be ridiculously inefficient though. I think those are only like 10-20% efficient.
 

Muse

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AC doesn't reach my room so it appears that I'll have to buy something separate. I am looking for something that is quiet as I can't sleep with too much noise and cheap (under $50). Any recommendations from places like Walmart or Bed Bath & Beyond?
Here's what I am doing. The window AC is entirely optional, I very seldom turn that on (maybe 3-4 times a year for an hour):

My bedroom is upstairs, which is always a fair amount warmer than downstairs. Spring through fall during the evening and night hours it generally remains much warmer in the bedroom than it is outside.

That air conditioner is obviously more than the $50 you are budgeting for this. It cost less than $110 at Lowes. I also bought a cheap fan off Amazon, I'm not using that. I have a couple of big box fans I found or a past roommate left in the house that I used to sometimes (rarely) jam in an open window in the room to cool it down on the hottest of evenings. I never do that now.

I'm in my bedroom right now and those two computer fans are on, there's only a hush of noise.

The 200mm computer case fans are mounted in a rectangular piece of thin plywood (cut out holes for the fans). I have that mounted in a partially open window in the room right next to the seldom used air conditioner. The fans are powered by a 12v wall-wart with sufficient watt rating to support the two computer fans (I had that, I save old wall warts, figuring I may have a use for them one day). That's plugged into an extension cord that has a switch on it. The switch is right next to my bed, secured to my night stand. I can turn the fans on/off in an instant. The fans bring in cooler air from outside. It costs next to nothing in terms of electricity. The fans cost around $16 each. One developed some noise (they are extremely quiet "silent" fans), and I lubricated it, problem solved.

Cooler Master MegaFlow 200 - Sleeve Bearing 200mm Silent Fan for Computer Cases

I have the fans on at night, around 1/2 the nights during the warm part of the year. Last night I had the fans on and turned them off during the night when it had become fairly cool. I often turn the fans on 1-4 hours before I go to bed in order to cool off the room ahead of time. The cooling function of the fans works best with some time, it's not as quick as an AC. In general it cools the room, I'd say, around 6-7 degrees F compared to what it would be otherwise, given a few hours.

Just in front of each fan I installed some fairly coarse (i.e. not fine) screening I picked up at a hardware emporium (they sell it by the foot). It's fine enough to keep out mosquitoes, flies, moths, etc.

The two computer fans are 20x quieter than that roaring AC unit! Also, way way cheaper to run (not just the initial expense but also the electricity, which is pretty negligible).

Without the very optional AC component, you could do this for under $50. The AC actually makes it less efficient because that space could be just screened space that would let in more air from outside.
 
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HeXen

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^ you know they make remote controlled window fans for $20



Maybe what jinngramm needs is is a ductless or windowless air conditioner. They are reasonably quiet but otherwise a window fan is likely the only other option. But I can say that despite the noise of A/C, you will get used to it.



 
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Imp

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^ you know they make remote controlled window fans for $20



Maybe what jinngramm needs is is a ductless or windowless air conditioner. They are reasonably quiet but otherwise a window fan is likely the only other option. But I can say that despite the noise of A/C, you will get used to it.




We tried options 1 and 3. Number 1 was noisy as hell, number 3 was also noisy as hell and took up a lot of space. We went back to windows and then got central air.
 

poofyhairguy

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Thank you very much thread! I had to work in my garage this weekend which is closed and un air-conditioned. Thanks to this thread I had the idea to buy two bags of ice and let them melt in there with a fan to blow around the cool air. Made it a lot better.

I am gonna buy ice every time I need to work in the garage now! Even at like $3 a weekend it would take years for such a setup to cost more than it would take to properly cool my garage!
 

shimpster

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AC doesn't reach my room so it appears that I'll have to buy something separate. I am looking for something that is quiet as I can't sleep with too much noise and cheap (under $50). Any recommendations from places like Walmart or Bed Bath & Beyond?

move urself to an air conditioned room, buy ear plugz.
walmart has earplugs less than two dollarz.
bed bath n beyond should have pillowz if ur afraid to move ur pillowz from ur current sleeping room
 

HeXen

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move urself to an air conditioned room, buy ear plugz.
walmart has earplugs less than two dollarz.
bed bath n beyond should have pillowz if ur afraid to move ur pillowz from ur current sleeping room

Nah, hell people live right next to train tracks, they get so used to them that they don't even notice. Everyone can get used to most any noise at night...well my wife apparently can't get used to my snoring but that's her problem. hehe
 
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