What to do about eradicating the Hamas tunnels?

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boomerang

Lifer
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I'd rather Israel have nukes than Islamic terrorists. That's pretty much what it comes down to for me.
 

FerrelGeek

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I'd rather Israel have nukes than Islamic terrorists. That's pretty much what it comes down to for me.

Aw, c'mon! Every enlightened liberal knows that we're all safer if the militant islamists have nukes too. It's only fair; and fairness is what the enlightened strive for. If we show them fairness by letting them have nukes, and get rid of all of ours at the same time, they'll realize that all we want to do is be their pals and just chill and have a great time, y'know? Seeing how fair-minded and non violent we are will make them love us and leave us alone. They'll totally be cool with us not wanting to believe in Allah. They'll show us all the gentle acceptance that they're showing the Christians in Mosul.
 
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Just put up automated machine guns that fire at anything that comes out of the tunnel. I think the problem will solve itself
 

TechBoyJK

Lifer
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Who gives a shit? Israel needs to be disarmed of their nukes and tried for war crimes. Imagine if we bombed Mexico everytime a Mexican kidnapped someone in America. It's a pathetic joke that any of you continue to parrot the neocon Nazis' unflinching support of Israel.

I'm sorry, but you're not admitting the big picture. I'm not saying you're ignorant but what you posted isn't accurate at all.
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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The Israelis need to break the cycle. They need to take the kid gloves off and prosecute this war to its very end. If the Israelis cannot practice "tough love" they will never break out of this parent-child relationship and the Palestinians will never learn how to be adults.

That's far too simplistic a view of the situation. There is some legitimacy to the grievances of the people who inhabit Gaza; to put it into words:

Israeli forces have occupied and controlled the West Bank ever since. It withdrew its occupying troops and settlers from Gaza in 2005, but maintains a full blockade of the territory, which has turned Gaza into what human rights organizations sometimes call an "open-air prison" and has pushed the unemployment rate up to 40 percent.

Israel says the occupation is necessary for security given its tiny size: to protect Israelis from Palestinian attacks and to provide a buffer from foreign invasions.

...

The Israeli occupation of the West Bank is all-consuming for the Palestinians who live there, constrained by Israeli checkpoints and 20-foot walls, subject to an Israeli military justice system in which on average two children are arrested every day, stuck with an economy stifled by strict Israeli border control, and countless other indignities large and small.

It's not that hard to find justification to lay the blame for every part of that situation on Hamas / the Palestinians themselves, but toughening up the situation to drive unemployment up even higher and create even more resentment doesn't sound like a winning strategy to me.
 

TechBoyJK

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That's far too simplistic a view of the situation. There is some legitimacy to the grievances of the people who inhabit Gaza; to put it into words:

It's not that hard to find justification to lay the blame for every part of that situation on Hamas / the Palestinians themselves, but toughening up the situation to drive unemployment up even higher and create even more resentment doesn't sound like a winning strategy to me.

Totally see your point. It's a complicated conflict.

I just don't know how many rockets I could have shot at me before I stop giving a fuck about the people who are shooting them.
 

FerrelGeek

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I'm sorry, but you're not admitting the big picture. I'm not saying you're ignorant but what you posted isn't accurate at all.

I'll say it, he's ignorant. And an idiot.

Israel created Hamas
Hamas = Israel
they prolly work insecrecy

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123275572295011847

How did you come to that conclusion?

Or are you trolling? :thumbsdown:

He's a delusional troll. Everything in the world that is wrong is due to the Zionists.
 

trenchfoot

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Well, seeing as if we're out there to protect our political/business interests, let's have the children/grandchildren etc. of our politicians volunteer to patrol the Israeli borders and have Halliburton and its numerous off-shored subsidiaries send out their geologists and their numerous support entourage to install tremor sensors and other such oil finding gadgets all along the demarcation lines and monitor them 24/7/365 for illicit activities. Then we'll have all of those private security contractors that incessantly gouged us during Iraqi Freedom etc. volunteer their skills toward protecting those other politically connected volunteers who are manning the Israeli borders and also have them provide and send snatch/asassination teams into Gaza to terrorize the terrorists.

And we can have a management team of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of the neocon comedic cavalcade that sponsored the glorious crusade into freeing the middle east of terrorists, especially those roaming hordes of terrorists with their WMDs provided by the Sadist Saddam tribe in Iraq (before we invaded) (that was going to provide the mushroom clouds of evidence to support the justification of that quick, cheap and near painless incursion) run the whole shebang with the same efficiency and courage as they had from 2000-2008.

I mean, after all, we should allow those who immensely profited from our excursions of spreading peace, prosperity and Christianity into the middle east have the opportunity to give back a little sumpt'in sumpt'in, right?
 
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spacejamz

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Just imagine what kind of projects benefiting Palestinian civilians all those materials used to construct the tunnels could have made...
 

piasabird

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Just boobytrap it with a device that releases ricin so the tunnel dwellers will slowly die. Poison the tunnels. Propane bombs would be nice too.
 

piasabird

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They put lights in most of these tunnels. They need to develop an explosive device that can be screwed in like a light bulb. Cut the power screw them in and then turn the power back on. Boom.

I like the booby trap idea better. If they have tracks just put some IED's under the tracks and and us some sort of device to trigger the bomb like weight on the track. Maybe they should just put in a modern subway.
 
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piasabird

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How do you think they transport all those rockets?

We need a place to store spent fuel rods.
 
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Caravaggio

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Why do you think the walls along the West Bank and Gaza were put up in the first place?
Walls always signify fear. The higher the wall the greater the fear. In this case the fear is the fear of revenge. No wall is going to be tall enough.
The Israeli walls around east Jerusalem/ West Bank are twice the height of the old 'Berlin Wall'. The Gazan barriers are lower but wider.

Walls of fear get tunnelled under, it is every officer's duty, when held captive, to attempt to escape. Remember the film with Steve McQueen?

Gaza is an outdoor prison. Gazan children are used for target practice. 'A thousand eyes for an eye' is the new mantra.

I learn today that President Obama feels that "the Death or injury of every Palestinian is a tragedy"

Fine, perhaps he could give the Gazans their own Iron Dome, an airforce, some Hellfire missiles, some 500lb bombs, some 105 mm artillery, some white phosphorus shells to fit same, a navy, a few F-16's, an Apache or two, some free satellite imagery, and then we can have ourselves a proper contest rather than this slow- motion annihilation.
 

werepossum

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I posted this in the thread about UN schools being used to house Hamas rockets, but it's even more suitable here. It isn't just Israel - Egypt too is finding and destroying tunnels. http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-army-des...093712884.html

Cairo (AFP) - Egypt's army said Sunday it has destroyed 13 more tunnels connecting the Sinai Peninsula to the Gaza Strip, taking to 1,639 the overall number it has laid waste to.

Cairo has poured troops into the peninsula to counter a rising insurgency since the ouster of Islamist president Mohamed Morsi last year, and its security operation involves the destruction of these tunnels.

The Palestinian militant group Hamas, which is the main power in Gaza, reportedly uses the tunnels to smuggle arms, food and money into the blockaded coastal enclave.

Israel has been waging a military offensive on Gaza since July 8 to halt rocket fire, and it launched a ground assault on July 17 aimed at destroying the network of tunnels.

It accuses Hamas of using the tunnels to attacks on Israel.

Ties between Hamas and Cairo have deteriorated since the Egyptian army deposed Morsi on July 3, 2013. Hamas is an affiliate of Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood.

Cairo also accuses of Hamas of being involved in militant attacks inside Egypt, which have multiplied since Morsi was toppled.

Militant groups say their attacks are in retaliation for a police crackdown on Morsi's supporters. The crackdown has seen more than 1,400 people killed in street clashes.
Let's all contemplate how much better the lives of the Palestinians could be using the resources required to build 1,639 reinforced concrete tunnels.

Then let's all contemplate how great it is to be an American, where our illegal tunnels are merely for smuggling in our illegal drugs and illegal aliens who mostly just want to work hard and build a good life.
 

Newell Steamer

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Eradicate them?? Why the fuck would you want to do that? You decorate them with hidden cameras and have 2 to 3 Israeli soldier at the other end pumping anyone in them with ammo.

The enemy is funneled and lined up - why would you want them to scatter?

If anything, build fake tunnels, and let them pour in. Hammas has given Israel a great idea,..

The Israelis have gone over the edge and don't think properly; it is destroy destroy destroy. They should use these tunnels to their advantage.
 

TechBoyJK

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Walls always signify fear. The higher the wall the greater the fear. In this case the fear is the fear of revenge. No wall is going to be tall enough.
The Israeli walls around east Jerusalem/ West Bank are twice the height of the old 'Berlin Wall'. The Gazan barriers are lower but wider.

Walls of fear get tunnelled under, it is every officer's duty, when held captive, to attempt to escape. Remember the film with Steve McQueen?

Gaza is an outdoor prison. Gazan children are used for target practice. 'A thousand eyes for an eye' is the new mantra.

I learn today that President Obama feels that "the Death or injury of every Palestinian is a tragedy"

Fine, perhaps he could give the Gazans their own Iron Dome, an airforce, some Hellfire missiles, some 500lb bombs, some 105 mm artillery, some white phosphorus shells to fit same, a navy, a few F-16's, an Apache or two, some free satellite imagery, and then we can have ourselves a proper contest rather than this slow- motion annihilation.

Here's an idea.

If you're a midget, don't shoot bottle rockets at the face of one of the strongest men alive then cry when his punch breaks your face.

 

Thebobo

Lifer
Jun 19, 2006
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Walls always signify fear. The higher the wall the greater the fear. In this case the fear is the fear of revenge. No wall is going to be tall enough.
The Israeli walls around east Jerusalem/ West Bank are twice the height of the old 'Berlin Wall'. The Gazan barriers are lower but wider.

Walls of fear get tunnelled under, it is every officer's duty, when held captive, to attempt to escape. Remember the film with Steve McQueen?

Gaza is an outdoor prison. Gazan children are used for target practice. 'A thousand eyes for an eye' is the new mantra.

I learn today that President Obama feels that "the Death or injury of every Palestinian is a tragedy"

Fine, perhaps he could give the Gazans their own Iron Dome, an airforce, some Hellfire missiles, some 500lb bombs, some 105 mm artillery, some white phosphorus shells to fit same, a navy, a few F-16's, an Apache or two, some free satellite imagery, and then we can have ourselves a proper contest rather than this slow- motion annihilation.

There you go MAD. Give them both nukes that could only be fired at each other. Either they grow up or wipe each other out.
 

cabri

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Walls always signify fear. The higher the wall the greater the fear. In this case the fear is the fear of revenge. No wall is going to be tall enough.
The Israeli walls around east Jerusalem/ West Bank are twice the height of the old 'Berlin Wall'. The Gazan barriers are lower but wider.

Walls of fear get tunnelled under, it is every officer's duty, when held captive, to attempt to escape. Remember the film with Steve McQueen?

Gaza is an outdoor prison. Gazan children are used for target practice. 'A thousand eyes for an eye' is the new mantra.

I learn today that President Obama feels that "the Death or injury of every Palestinian is a tragedy"

Fine, perhaps he could give the Gazans their own Iron Dome, an airforce, some Hellfire missiles, some 500lb bombs, some 105 mm artillery, some white phosphorus shells to fit same, a navy, a few F-16's, an Apache or two, some free satellite imagery, and then we can have ourselves a proper contest rather than this slow- motion annihilation.

Or maybe, Gaza/Palestinians would decide to not attack ISael and have a chance to better their lives.

If you want a fair fight, then have the Arab countries that support the Palestinians in their hatred of Israel, provide the weapons to attack Israel.
It worked before; look at the result.
Try it again; the worst that could happen is that the Palestinian territory gets reduced in half again. And the countries that supported the weapon delivery then come under fire.
And where would your Apache and F16s launch from?
 

Newell Steamer

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Israel has never admitted to the existence of a nuclear arsenal. Their view is that since their neighbors have a nuclear arsenal, they will detonate/short launch and spread the pain/suffering if they ever get hit themselves by one of their enemies.

To think (or in the case of some mental giants in this thread; expect) that Israel would launch a nuke into Gaza is just beyond fucking stupid.

Israel isn't treating nukes like the rest of the world is - they are treating them as a last strike to lash out at anyone who does decide to nuke them. So, please get over the fantasy of wiping out Arabs/Muslims with a nuke.
 
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