What to do about eradicating the Hamas tunnels?

JEDIYoda

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This Is a real problem! Hamas got caught diverting goods from the Palestinians in order to build these tunnels to attack Israel......
It`s too bad that Hamas cannot be trusted to destroy these tunnels , yet to do so would most certainly destroy Palestinians homes....yet there probanly would be far lesser loss of life if Hamas could be trusted to destroy the tunnels themselves.......


http://news.yahoo.com/israel-army-detective-hunt-gaza-tunnels-104415752.html

Kibbutz Ein Hashlosha (Israel) (AFP) - An Israeli colonel likens the hunt for tunnels dug by Palestinian militants from the coastal enclave of Gaza to the work of a detective.


"Finding these tunnels is like a detective trying to solve a murder with a number of clues. There are several pieces to the puzzle, including intelligence and technology," said Lieutenant Colonel Max of the army engineers for the Gaza area.

Israel has said uncovering and destroying an apparently sophisticated network of tunnels is a primary goal of its assault unleashed on July 8 in Gaza, particularly its ground invasion.

For the first time, the army on Friday gave foreign media access to part of the network, including a tunnel running more than three kilometres (two miles) from southern Gaza's Khan Yunis to near the Israeli kibbutz of Nir-Am.

Max, who declined to give his family name, said the Israeli end of the tunnel was discovered two months ago.

But its entrance in Khan Yunis was uncovered this week during the Israeli ground operation launched on July 17.

The tunnel is 1.75 metres high (six foot) and over 70 centimetres across, with its sides reinforced by closely-fitted concrete blocks and ceiling inlaid with arched concrete plates.

"Big enough for a man in full body armour to go through standing up," said Max.

The Islamist movement group Hamas which controls Gaza "could have put through dozens, even hundreds of terrorists through this tunnel out on the Israeli side before we would have discovered it."

Max said 26,000 components were used in the construction of the tunnel, estimating it must have cost around one million dollars to build.

Along one wall is a rack to string electric cables, while a metal dual track runs on the floor, similar to inside a mine shaft.

Max said the track was used to remove earth during construction and could also have been designed to ferry equipment and arms into Israel.

In part of the tunnel, a narrow niche has been carved out to store equipment and weapons.


- Booby traps -


The army is planning to completely destroy the tunnel within days using explosives, but the process is dangerous, Max said.

"You excavate through one of the tunnel walls and it can collapse," he said.


Within the tunnel itself there can be booby traps, within and just around the entrance there can be booby traps, or there can be one of the enemy waiting within the tunnel.

"The biggest dangers though are not in the tunnels themselves but in the surrounding areas where we have to work, where you can have mines, anti-tank weapons, snipers, artillery."

So far, the army has found 30 tunnels, and over 100 shafts leading into them.

Max said the army tries to destroy the tunnels it finds from both ends, to ensure they cannot be reused in the future.

"You want to reach a point where the entire tunnel, from end to end, is destroyed, so the other side can't come back and use it another time," he said.

"Each tunnel takes a couple of days for us to deal with it."

Max said the soldiers needed about another week "if we want to neutralise all the tunnels ... at least all the tunnels that we know about."



 
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cabri

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Tunnels should be able to be flooded. Pump in water from the Med to fill them up. If needed, seal up the pumping end to generate pressure to fill the tunnels.

The salt water will also disable a lot of the electrical work and corrode any munitions hidden.

As stated in another thread; also pump in marker smoke to identify where other access points are.

On could also pump gas/propane into the tunnels and light off the fumes after sealing off the original pumping location to directed the explosion force along the tunnel.
 

Pr0d1gy

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Who gives a shit? Israel needs to be disarmed of their nukes and tried for war crimes. Imagine if we bombed Mexico everytime a Mexican kidnapped someone in America. It's a pathetic joke that any of you continue to parrot the neocon Nazis' unflinching support of Israel.
 

zanejohnson

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tear down the walls and blockades and they wont need tunnels

this seems completely obvious to some people....but somehow alludes the minds of many others...

what's up with that?



it's just like if we built a wall on the mexican border.... or pressed any harder...tunnels will just pop up.. or submarines or some other clever method for a means to an end.


the only way is to end the apartheid.. it's really that simple.... or at least tear down the wall... then you got the mexican/usa border....which isn't a picnic lunch... but at least they aren't shooting rockets at us!!!!
 

zanejohnson

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Who gives a shit? Israel needs to be disarmed of their nukes and tried for war crimes. Imagine if we bombed Mexico everytime a Mexican kidnapped someone in America. It's a pathetic joke that any of you continue to parrot the neocon Nazis' unflinching support of Israel.

this, right here.
 

zanejohnson

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it's like......... SURELY Israel knows.. if they keep this up, the tides will turn against them (can they not see it already happening???)


or is that what the zionist regime in power wants???

surely they can't think people (usa) will continue to have there backs through this....

we got enough problems! we dont need an APARTHEID!!! we moved past that almost 100 years ago.
 

cabri

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tear down the walls and blockades and they wont need tunnels

True, Israel should then just let every person walk in without any concern as to their intentions. Why do you think the walls along the West Bank and Gaza were put up in the first place?
 

cabri

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it's like......... SURELY Israel knows.. if they keep this up, the tides will turn against them (can they not see it already happening???)


or is that what the zionist regime in power wants???

surely they can't think people (usa) will continue to have there backs through this....

we got enough problems! we dont need an APARTHEID!!! we moved past that almost 100 years ago.

Yes, we are just getting invaded instead by people that want to destroy our life style rather than assimilate into the existing culture.
 

D-Man

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Who gives a shit? Israel needs to be disarmed of their nukes and tried for war crimes. Imagine if we bombed Mexico everytime a Mexican kidnapped someone in America. It's a pathetic joke that any of you continue to parrot the neocon Nazis' unflinching support of Israel.

Maybe Israel is just a little more perturbed with the approx 2000 missiles Hamas has lobed across the boarder. I know one thing for sure if my neighbor continually wanted to kill me I would frame a response. I will avoid calling you any names at least for the moment.
 

nageov3t

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expand them and reinforce them with steel.

everyone knows Hamas is only using those tunnels to import food and medicine and other vital goods for the important social services they provide.
 

Matt1970

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Who gives a shit? Israel needs to be disarmed of their nukes and tried for war crimes. Imagine if we bombed Mexico everytime a Mexican kidnapped someone in America. It's a pathetic joke that any of you continue to parrot the neocon Nazis' unflinching support of Israel.

That's funny, I heard Hamas was continually launching rockets blindly into civilian neighborhoods in Israel and using suicide bombers. Silly me, all they were doing was kidnapping people.
 
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Who gives a shit? Israel needs to be disarmed of their nukes and tried for war crimes. Imagine if we bombed Mexico everytime a Mexican kidnapped someone in America.

Uh...what if Mexico fired 150,000 missiles (very roughly adjusting the number fired at Israel for proportion) at the United States and declared war on the United States with the intention of exterminating every American? What if Mexico also had a prior record of attacks against the United States?

It's a pathetic joke that any of you continue to parrot the neocon Nazis' unflinching support of Israel.

Do you support the values of Western Civilzation or those of primitive Islamic mysticism and religious dictatorship?
 
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Maybe Israel is just a little more perturbed with the approx 2000 missiles Hamas has lobed across the boarder. I know one thing for sure if my neighbor continually wanted to kill me I would frame a response. I will avoid calling you any names at least for the moment.

If anything, it's amazing just how gentle Israel has been. How would China or Russia have responded? Would they not have just leveled Gaza and burnt it to the ground?
 

werepossum

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tear down the walls and blockades and they wont need tunnels
That's an excellent solution if the problem is how to facilitate the Palestinians' ability to kidnap, torture and murder Israelis. Smart people can see a bit of a burr from the Israelis' point of view of course, but hey, no plan is perfect.

expand them and reinforce them with steel.

everyone knows Hamas is only using those tunnels to import food and medicine and other vital goods for the important social services they provide.
lol +1

Fill the Palestinian side with explosives and detonate it. Problem solved. Then fill the Israeli side with poured concrete.
 

lagokc

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Who gives a shit? Israel needs to be disarmed of their nukes and tried for war crimes. Imagine if we bombed Mexico everytime a Mexican kidnapped someone in America. It's a pathetic joke that any of you continue to parrot the neocon Nazis' unflinching support of Israel.

Israel isn't just going to disarm their nukes themselves. What's needed is boycotts of all Israeli products, ideally embargoes similar to what happened to Apartheid South Africa, followed by regime change. Looks unlikely as long as AIPAC owns the US government though.

You can start by making sure you don't buy any products with bar codes that start with 729.
 

DominionSeraph

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Who gives a shit? Israel needs to be disarmed of their nukes and tried for war crimes. Imagine if we bombed Mexico everytime a Mexican kidnapped someone in America. It's a pathetic joke that any of you continue to parrot the neocon Nazis' unflinching support of Israel.

Hamas has launched more rockets into Israel than the Japanese did torpedoes and bombs at Pearl Harbor. What did we do? Island hop, killing all combatants we found. Bombed the shit out of them, culminating in the dropping of two atomic bombs.
What was the result? 70 years of peace.

The Jews' history as victims of the Holocaust has caused them to coddle the Palestinians. The Jews are unable to approach anything that could remotely be perceived as genocide, which has left them unable to prosecute a war to its end. The Israelis stop when the Palestinians are unable to effectively continue current operations, not when the Palestinians are ready to surrender. This has left the Palestinian conservatards to see Palestinian deaths not as tragedy to them, but as a weapon against Israel. "Look at what we made you do. Don't you feel sorry? You'd better give us what we want or we'll make you kill more of us!" Instead of standing up for what's best for their people, they expect Israel to. Israel cares more for Palestinian lives than the Palestinians do, and the Palestinians use that against them. Since the Palestinians view everything in terms of Israel, they're stuck perpetuating a never ending cycle of violence in order to get "Daddy's" attention.
The Israelis need to break the cycle. They need to take the kid gloves off and prosecute this war to its very end. If the Israelis cannot practice "tough love" they will never break out of this parent-child relationship and the Palestinians will never learn how to be adults.
 
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Karl Agathon

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If anything, it's amazing just how gentle Israel has been. How would China or Russia have responded? Would they not have just leveled Gaza and burnt it to the ground?

Putin would have obliterated them with no mercy. Most likely the same results from China too. That wouldn't matter all that much to some of the selective moral outraged 'progressives' though, because they only get outraged when Israelis are involved.
 
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FerrelGeek

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Who gives a shit? Israel needs to be disarmed of their nukes and tried for war crimes. Imagine if we bombed Mexico everytime a Mexican kidnapped someone in America. It's a pathetic joke that any of you continue to parrot the neocon Nazis' unflinching support of Israel.

Yep, cuz every enlightened lib, like yourself and Zane, knows that if we help annihilate the evil Zionist state all those militant Islamists over there will fall in love with us and be our pals.
 
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