What to expect with upcoming GTX 960

It's Not Lupus

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I'm wondering what type of performance you would expect from a GTX 960 and at what price. Do you think the performance will be equivalent to a GTX 770? What are the odds it will have the same new tech/efficiency as the GTX 970/980?
 
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toyota

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I really hope they are not stupid enough to make it with just 2gb of vram.
 

ShintaiDK

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I really hope they are not stupid enough to make it with just 2gb of vram.

Why?

Twice now its shown that the new uarchs have improved their compression techniques to use less memory and memory bandwidth. Tonga and Maxwell.
 

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I think that 192-bit memory bus with 3 GB VRAM at about 110 watts is about where it will shake out. I am just guessing, but that type of card would make sense to be profitable at $229 and fit between the 750ti and 970.
 

RaistlinZ

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I'm sure it'll be 2GB, but some AIB makers will have 4GB variants. If it offers 770 level of performance it'll be a sure win against the R9 285.

2GB - $249.99
4GB - $279.99
 

toyota

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Why?

Twice now its shown that the new uarchs have improved their compression techniques to use less memory and memory bandwidth. Tonga and Maxwell.
a 960 is going to be fast enough to run setting in some games that would use well over 2gb of vram and that is a fact. buying a gpu faster than a 770 at this point going forward with only 2gb of vram is stupid.
 

JDG1980

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A couple of weeks before the big Maxwell release, Nvidia dropped the GTX 770 to $329. That is the same price at which the GTX 970 debuted. As part of the Maxwell launch, the official GTX 760 price was dropped to $219. Thus, I suspect that the GTX 960 may come in at that same $219 price point when it launches.

I expect that the GTX 960 will have a purpose-built smaller chip (GM206) rather than using a further cut-down GM204, since 28nm yields are high enough that there probably won't be enough die-salvaged parts to meet the demand. There's certainly room for a third chip between GM107 and GM204. I suspect it will have 1280 stream processors - double what the GM107 has, but still comfortably below the cut-down GM204. Probably 32 ROPs and a 192-bit memory bus.

This kind of release would put a lot of pricing pressure on AMD while maintaining high profits - the chip and board will both be inexpensive and easy to produce, and TDP probably won't go past 125W or so. Only one six-pin PCI-E connector should be required, except for heavily overclocked models.

Performance will be better than GTX 770 (two Maxwell SPs seem to be about equivalent in power to three Kepler SPs). It should also comfortably beat the AMD R9 280X.
 

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ohh come on!

that's an easy one... 192bit & 3GB
My thoughts too since 3gb would line up with the symmetry of a 192 bit bus. If 256-bit like the 760, they would have to go with 4gb, since 2gb may hamper its marketability with whats expected from cards nowadays. But that would be a first for Nvidia, to have their top, second and 3rd cards on same bit bus, vram capacity. As we've seen with the 970/980, the 256-bit bus can go a long way, so I would not be surprised if they go 192-bit for the 960 and still manage kick arse performance from it.
 

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GTX 980: 2048 cores 256bit - 170W
GTX 970: 1664 cores, 256bit - 150W
GTX 980M: 1664 cores, 256bit - 100W
GTX 960: 1280 cores, 192bit - 125W - Firestrike Extreme: 3800 = R9 280X
GTX 970M: 1280 cores, 192bit - 75W
 

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I expect a 960ti and 960 release at ~$249 and $219. 3gb cards, 960 rivaling 280x and 960ti ~15% faster.

The 970 being so good at $329 complicates (in a great way) where a midrange price is going to be. I hope nVidia strikes while the iron is hot with a great midrange part/s.

AMD's 285 will have to drop to $179. 2gb VRAM big mistake on that card. Member how AMD claimed this card was for 1440p?, that was funny.
 
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itisravi

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Agreed. The two cards could look like:

960Ti - 10 SMX - 1280 cores - $239
960 - 8 SMX - 1024 cores - $179

Plus 750Ti and 750 need to drop around $20. AMD still gives better performance/price ratio in low-mid range.
 

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GM 107 is 640 SMs, GM204 is 2048.

I would either expect a 2*GM107 (1280 SMs) or GM204/2 (1024 SMs). In either case hopefully nvidia goes with 3Gb/192-bit option for the memory.

A 3GB 1024 SM maxwell card would do amazing in notebooks
 

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GM 107 is 640 SMs, GM204 is 2048.

I would either expect a 2*GM107 (1280 SMs) or GM204/2 (1024 SMs). In either case hopefully nvidia goes with 3Gb/192-bit option for the memory.

A 3GB 1024 SM maxwell card would do amazing in notebooks

You know that the 980M is basically an underclocked 970 and is faster than the 770, right? 1024 is nothing compared to that. I'm not even sure if that would beat the 880M. I(t would be good for midrange gaming laptops, though.
 

itisravi

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GM 107 is 640 SMs, GM204 is 2048.

I would either expect a 2*GM107 (1280 SMs) or GM204/2 (1024 SMs). In either case hopefully nvidia goes with 3Gb/192-bit option for the memory.

A 3GB 1024 SM maxwell card would do amazing in notebooks

I think Nvidia would go with the former, as it will allow room for one more (or even two more) cards based on GM206.

Plus the gap between 960(Ti) and 970 shouldn't be too big. 770 was about 20% slower than 780(the two cards meant to be replaced performance-wise). As the clock on 970 is already high, a card with 1024 cores will at least be 30% slower, and actually even slower than 770.

GM206 card should be the ideal card for 1080p gaming on a budget.
 

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You know that the 980M is basically an underclocked 970 and is faster than the 770, right? 1024 is nothing compared to that. I'm not even sure if that would beat the 880M. I(t would be good for midrange gaming laptops, though.


I meant as a decent mid-range gaming chip for a majority of laptops, not one for a 17" behemoth.

Look at it another way, 860M is the top chip in these sleek gaming laptops, a 1024 SM SKU will put it to shame without necessarily requiring a massive laptop.

Something that could be put into say the likes of Razer 14
 
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