Originally posted by: Vetterin
If you don't need to drive at 140 mph or maintain 0.97 G's on the skid pad I consider the All Season Touring or Grand Touring tire the best bang for the buck.
FWIW I have Yoko Avid TRZ's on 2 of my 3 cars and cant say enough about them.
Originally posted by: DeviousTrap
Summer/Winter/All-season? What's more important, handling, comfort, or treadlife?
Originally posted by: Josh
2004 - New Jersey
Would like all-season
Looking at Sumitomo right now...
Size is 235/45R17
Originally posted by: mariok2006
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...omCompare1=yes&place=0
If you don't need an extremely sticky tire, the above tires are hard to beat, especially considering the price. Cheap, relatively sticky, excellent in the rain, good tread life, etc.
Thanks, you just picked my next set of tires. I have the Pilot Sport A/S on my car now, because of their snow rating. The BFG's weren't out when I bought the Michelin 2 years ago.Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Josh
2004 - New Jersey
Would like all-season
Looking at Sumitomo right now...
Size is 235/45R17
BFG g-Force Super Sport A/S
They're almost identical to the famed Michelin Pilot Sport A/S's but for quite a bit less money.
$125 each at Tirerack.com in your size (plus road hazard, shipping, local mounting, etc.)
Or check Costco if you have a membership there. BFG is a Michelin brand (which is the only brands of tires that Costco sells) and they tend to have excellent prices on those tires that include literally everything. You're out-the-door at exactly the quoted price per tire, including free road hazard/balacing/rotation.
Originally posted by: Muadib
Thanks, you just picked my next set of tires. I have the Pilot Sport A/S on my car now, because of their snow rating. The BFG's weren't out when I bought the Michelin 2 years ago.Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Josh
2004 - New Jersey
Would like all-season
Looking at Sumitomo right now...
Size is 235/45R17
BFG g-Force Super Sport A/S
They're almost identical to the famed Michelin Pilot Sport A/S's but for quite a bit less money.
$125 each at Tirerack.com in your size (plus road hazard, shipping, local mounting, etc.)
Or check Costco if you have a membership there. BFG is a Michelin brand (which is the only brands of tires that Costco sells) and they tend to have excellent prices on those tires that include literally everything. You're out-the-door at exactly the quoted price per tire, including free road hazard/balacing/rotation.
I agree that Costco is the way to go too. They put nitrogen in your tires!! If you are like me, and hate putting air in your tires, nitrogen is the way to go. I checked my tires today for the first time since I had them rotated back in September. They were perfect!
Nitrogen isn't affected by the change in temperature though. With air, your pressure will change around 1 psi of pressure for every 10 degree change in the temperature. A 5 psi loss can change your handling, traction, gas mileage, and the durability of your tires.Originally posted by: mwmorph
Originally posted by: Muadib
Thanks, you just picked my next set of tires. I have the Pilot Sport A/S on my car now, because of their snow rating. The BFG's weren't out when I bought the Michelin 2 years ago.Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Josh
2004 - New Jersey
Would like all-season
Looking at Sumitomo right now...
Size is 235/45R17
BFG g-Force Super Sport A/S
They're almost identical to the famed Michelin Pilot Sport A/S's but for quite a bit less money.
$125 each at Tirerack.com in your size (plus road hazard, shipping, local mounting, etc.)
Or check Costco if you have a membership there. BFG is a Michelin brand (which is the only brands of tires that Costco sells) and they tend to have excellent prices on those tires that include literally everything. You're out-the-door at exactly the quoted price per tire, including free road hazard/balacing/rotation.
I agree that Costco is the way to go too. They put nitrogen in your tires!! If you are like me, and hate putting air in your tires, nitrogen is the way to go. I checked my tires today for the first time since I had them rotated back in September. They were perfect!
I agree with the costco thing except for the whole "Nitrogen in your tires"
There's no benefits between nitrogen and air. The air you breathe is 78.1% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen, 0.93% Argon(another inert gas), 0.4% CO2 and a little bit of everything else.
It doesn't mean gas won't leak out, it doesn't mean it'll make your ride any better or your tires any more special, it's mostly just marketing.
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: mariok2006
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...omCompare1=yes&place=0
If you don't need an extremely sticky tire, the above tires are hard to beat, especially considering the price. Cheap, relatively sticky, excellent in the rain, good tread life, etc.
Those are the ones we just put on our 01 Corvette. Good all round tire. Made a little noise at first but i fixed that. Good tire with a great price.
Originally posted by: Josh
What type of tire do you recommend?
Originally posted by: Muadib
Nitrogen isn't affected by the change in temperature though. With air, your pressure will change around 1 psi of pressure for every 10 degree change in the temperature. A 5 psi loss can change your handling, traction, gas mileage, and the durability of your tires.Originally posted by: mwmorph
Originally posted by: Muadib
Thanks, you just picked my next set of tires. I have the Pilot Sport A/S on my car now, because of their snow rating. The BFG's weren't out when I bought the Michelin 2 years ago.Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Josh
2004 - New Jersey
Would like all-season
Looking at Sumitomo right now...
Size is 235/45R17
BFG g-Force Super Sport A/S
They're almost identical to the famed Michelin Pilot Sport A/S's but for quite a bit less money.
$125 each at Tirerack.com in your size (plus road hazard, shipping, local mounting, etc.)
Or check Costco if you have a membership there. BFG is a Michelin brand (which is the only brands of tires that Costco sells) and they tend to have excellent prices on those tires that include literally everything. You're out-the-door at exactly the quoted price per tire, including free road hazard/balacing/rotation.
I agree that Costco is the way to go too. They put nitrogen in your tires!! If you are like me, and hate putting air in your tires, nitrogen is the way to go. I checked my tires today for the first time since I had them rotated back in September. They were perfect!
I agree with the costco thing except for the whole "Nitrogen in your tires"
There's no benefits between nitrogen and air. The air you breathe is 78.1% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen, 0.93% Argon(another inert gas), 0.4% CO2 and a little bit of everything else.
It doesn't mean gas won't leak out, it doesn't mean it'll make your ride any better or your tires any more special, it's mostly just marketing.
It was in the 80's when I last checked my pressure. During the winter, the temps here got as low as 1 degree. That's quite a change in temps, and yet my tire pressure was just as it was in the fall. I dare you to try that on air!!!
Besides, it's not like you pay for the nitrogen at Costco. It's free, unlike the 50 cents most gas stations here charge for air.
But as I recall, nitrogen has more density than air, so maybe that is why nitrogen is the better way to go. I wasn't taken in by some spiel, I've seen it the improvement myself. Since the racing & airline industry use nitrogen in their tires, maybe it's not just some spiel.Originally posted by: mwmorph
Originally posted by: Muadib
Nitrogen isn't affected by the change in temperature though. With air, your pressure will change around 1 psi of pressure for every 10 degree change in the temperature. A 5 psi loss can change your handling, traction, gas mileage, and the durability of your tires.Originally posted by: mwmorph
Originally posted by: Muadib
Thanks, you just picked my next set of tires. I have the Pilot Sport A/S on my car now, because of their snow rating. The BFG's weren't out when I bought the Michelin 2 years ago.Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Josh
2004 - New Jersey
Would like all-season
Looking at Sumitomo right now...
Size is 235/45R17
BFG g-Force Super Sport A/S
They're almost identical to the famed Michelin Pilot Sport A/S's but for quite a bit less money.
$125 each at Tirerack.com in your size (plus road hazard, shipping, local mounting, etc.)
Or check Costco if you have a membership there. BFG is a Michelin brand (which is the only brands of tires that Costco sells) and they tend to have excellent prices on those tires that include literally everything. You're out-the-door at exactly the quoted price per tire, including free road hazard/balacing/rotation.
I agree that Costco is the way to go too. They put nitrogen in your tires!! If you are like me, and hate putting air in your tires, nitrogen is the way to go. I checked my tires today for the first time since I had them rotated back in September. They were perfect!
I agree with the costco thing except for the whole "Nitrogen in your tires"
There's no benefits between nitrogen and air. The air you breathe is 78.1% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen, 0.93% Argon(another inert gas), 0.4% CO2 and a little bit of everything else.
It doesn't mean gas won't leak out, it doesn't mean it'll make your ride any better or your tires any more special, it's mostly just marketing.
It was in the 80's when I last checked my pressure. During the winter, the temps here got as low as 1 degree. That's quite a change in temps, and yet my tire pressure was just as it was in the fall. I dare you to try that on air!!!
Besides, it's not like you pay for the nitrogen at Costco. It's free, unlike the 50 cents most gas stations here charge for air.
The free nitrogen gets no qualms from me but it should not be marketed as something special.
If you remember to high school chemistry(or maybe college chem, depends)
All gases are affected by factors identically, barring very, very tiny differences due to variances from ideal gas laws (marginal, in comparison, it's like the weight added by a single electron in comparison to a Hydrogen Atom's atomic weight).
Therefore, nitrogen like all other gases follow the equation
PV=nRT
P= pressure
V= volume
n= the number of moles present
R= a constant depending on the units of measure used
T= temperature
So 20L of nitrogen gas and 20L of air would expand and contract at the exact same rate, assuming the number of moles of gas, the temperature and the volume were the same for both gases.
There are trace amounts of water vapor in normal air (~1% usually), but that wil not affect anything on a measurable basis, at the most maybe a +-1/2psi variance under the most extreme conditions(0C and 100C)
Unless Costco has broken fundamental laws of chemistry and physics, you've been taken in by their marketing spiel.