What was the felony GW committed as a college kid?

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imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: dwell
Felony? Uh, felons cannot vote, much less run for president.


That can't be true! Kerry is a confessed war criminal and he is running for President! Democratic govenors are sending ballots to prisons!
Wow, where did this asshole come from, Pretend Viet Nam Vets for the Dub?

I think the year I spent in country would have taken more imagination than I have. How about someone who was there and knows that Kerry's stories simply don't match the facts. I was in Dalat, Bien Hoa, Saigon, Can Tho, Bang Me Thout, Cam Rahn, Pleiku, etc. I've met a few fakes and the give away is that they can never pronounce Bang Me Thout. They don't do well pronouncing "33" bier either. No, the only pretenders are you liberals. Most of you seem to be Joe College and can read, but haven't done much else. I did read the age of the posters thread.
Someone pretending to be a Vet could be well versed in Vietnamese locations too. You sure wouldn't be the first.

I have my 214, where is yours? I have 10 points veterans preferance for federal jobs. How many do you have?
Lucked out and didn't have to go. Good thing too because I wouldn't have been able to get a college deferment not would I have had someone to pull strings and get me in the Air National Guard. I would have been stuck in some rice paddy scared out of my mind shooting the first Villager that looked at me cross eyed.

Actually, most RVN troops weren't in rice paddies. I was AFAT ALC. Just the Bonnie Rats were in the paddies. They had the toughest duty next to the tunnel rats. The most dangerous was Huey driver. So, lets assume that your insinuations are correct despite Bush volunteering on record to fly F102's in RVN and he did avoid the draft through political influence. How does that compare with John Kerry's get out of jail free card concerning his confessed war crimes? That must have taken huge pull. He actually said he did those things! I think he was granted a pass because, even back then, he was seen as a liar and exaggerator.
Let me set you straight about what I feel about the Dub getting to be in the Air National Guard. Good for him. I bet most of those who were drafted and sent over to Nam would have traded places with him in a heartbeat. I don't fault the Dub, in fact I think it was a smart move. Unfortunately for those who were drafted and killed or maimed they didn't have the same opportunity as he did.

I have to tell you that I have no idea which of the candidates is actually telling the truth. I think both are political animals. We all have to make a choice and none of have enough real information to do that. I can only go back to my experiences in life and weigh both against what I have seen. That is all any of us can do. This exchange has probably been one of the best I have seen on the threads. I leave it respecting your position and your thoughtfulness. I am glad it occured. I sometimes get very negative about the ones of us who are liberal, despite knowing better. It just goes into the heat of the debate and I hope no one takes it as being from the heart.

Now, lets get back to verbal war as usual!

 

klah

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felons cannot vote, much less run for president.

Not only can felons not run for public office...

Wrong. There is nothing in the Constitution barring convicted felons from seeking the presidency or any other federal office.

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

There are plenty of examples of convicted felons running for President; Lyndon LaRouche, Irwin Schiff, Roger Calero. For examples of felons running for other offices see Traficant and Marion Bary.
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: klah
felons cannot vote, much less run for president.

Not only can felons not run for public office...

Wrong. There is nothing in the Constitution barring convicted felons from seeking the presidency or any other federal office.

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

There are plenty of examples of convicted felons running for President; Lyndon LaRouche, Irwin Schiff, Roger Calero. For examples of felons running for other offices see Traficant and Marion Bary.

I'm enlightened and shocked. Thanks!

 

Gaard

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Condor -
I have to tell you that I have no idea which of the candidates is actually telling the truth.

If I didn't know better, I'd say that you'll probably be reminded of this phrase at some point in the future.
 

Infohawk

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I'm not sure if he was in college but reports are that Bush forced a woman to have an abortion.
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
I'm not sure if he was in college but reports are that Bush forced a woman to have an abortion.

Sigh.. you guys will stop at nothing will you? I heard Kerry shot and killed 47 people.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I'm not sure if he was in college but reports are that Bush forced a woman to have an abortion.

Sigh.. you guys will stop at nothing will you? I heard Kerry shot and killed 47 people.

Don't shoot the messenger. But you're not good at distinguishing the message and the messenger are ya'? Anyway, I don't know how you can compare a veterans service and the killing of an unborn child.
 

Gaard

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I just read in another thread today about the Catholic Church citing that they support Bush because abortion is a more grevious(sp?) crime than killing in war.
 

dnuggett

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I'm not sure if he was in college but reports are that Bush forced a woman to have an abortion.

Sigh.. you guys will stop at nothing will you? I heard Kerry shot and killed 47 people.

Don't shoot the messenger. But you're not good at distinguishing the message and the messenger are ya'? Anyway, I don't know how you can compare a veterans service and the killing of an unborn child.



The message and the messager are both off kilter. But then again this community has established that about the messenger so many times.

 

dnuggett

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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Feep
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: dwell
Felony? Uh, felons cannot vote, much less run for president.


That can't be true! Kerry is a confessed war criminal and he is running for President! Democratic govenors are sending ballots to prisons!


Just because they are prisonsers doesnt mean they can't vote, only those with felony convictions.

That is true and, I hope, the basis for the ballots going to the prisons. Actually, I'm sure it is.

If a ballot is going to a prison, it is going to a person who has committed a felony.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I'm not sure if he was in college but reports are that Bush forced a woman to have an abortion.

Sigh.. you guys will stop at nothing will you? I heard Kerry shot and killed 47 people.

Don't shoot the messenger. But you're not good at distinguishing the message and the messenger are ya'?
Hey you guys both look like Parrots you just speak out of different sides of your mouths

 

EXman

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I'm not sure if he was in college but reports are that Bush forced a woman to have an abortion.

Sigh.. you guys will stop at nothing will you? I heard Kerry shot and killed 47 people.

Don't shoot the messenger. But you're not good at distinguishing the message and the messenger are ya'?
Hey you guys both look like Parrots you just speak out of different sides of your mouths

better than speaking out of thier arses!

I bet a similar post with Kerry's name would get locked
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I'm not sure if he was in college but reports are that Bush forced a woman to have an abortion.

Sigh.. you guys will stop at nothing will you? I heard Kerry shot and killed 47 people.

Don't shoot the messenger. But you're not good at distinguishing the message and the messenger are ya'?
Hey you guys both look like Parrots you just speak out of different sides of your mouths

You want me to tell you which oriface I think you speak out of? :laugh:
 
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Originally posted by: raildogg
Bush commited a felony as a college kid?? whoa


I gather the allegation is cocaine use and distribution - these have been the offenses most frequently alleged against President Bush.

Kitty Kelley's book says that President Bush frequently used MJ and cocaine in college, and continued to do so though his guard service and into his father's presidency - she says he used cocaine on more than one occasion at Camp David, in fact. Kelley says the souce of a lot of this info was Sharon Bush, his ex-sister-in-law, but Sharon Bush has since denied making the statements.

I have no idea whether any of the aformentioned is true, but President Bush definitely is the first convicted criminal to be elected President, and it is unusual to say the least that, between him and VP Cheney, they have 3 DUIs. When he was directly asked about drug use during his 2000 campaign, he refused to answer whether he had used MJ or cocaine in the past.
 

foodfightr

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money cleans all slates.... and keeps secrets safe

woo woo lie to me dubya i can't wait to give my vote to him in exchange for complete ignorance!
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: raildogg
Bush commited a felony as a college kid?? whoa


I gather the allegation is cocaine use and distribution - these have been the most serious offenses alleged against President Bush.

Kitty Kelley's book says that President Bush frequently used MJ and cocaine in college, and continued to do so though his guard service and into his father's presidency - she says he used cocaine on more than one occasion at Camp David, in fact. Kelley says the souce of a lot of this info was Sharon Bush, his ex-sister-in-law, but Sharon Bush has since denied making the statements.

I have no idea whether any of the aformentioned is true, but President Bush definitely is the first convicted criminal to be elected President, and it is unusual to say the least that, between him and VP Cheney, they have 3 DUIs.


888. ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS


 
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Originally posted by: Condor

888. ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

Uh, thanks for the lesson, but I know the law. Actually I have a copy of the Manual for Courts-Martial sitting on my desk as I write this. Nothing I've said comes close to contemptuous speech. I gather you're not an attorney, but I am. I've merely related allegations against President Bush, and in fact specifically stated I had no idea whether they were true. His criminal conviction is a matter of public record, as are VP Cheney's.
 

dahunan

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Why Does George W. Bush Fly in Drug Smuggler Barry Seal's Airplane?

by
Daniel Hopsicker and Michael C. Ruppert

It has all the makings of a major box office thriller: Texas Governor and Republican Presidential contender George W. Bush and his brother Jeb, allegedly caught on videotape in 1985 picking up kilos of cocaine at a Florida airport in a DEA sting set up by Barry SealÉ

An ensuing murderous cover-up featuring Seal's public assassination less than a year later by a hit teamÉthe members of which, when caught, reveal to their attorneys during trial that their actions were being directed by then, National Security Council (NSC) staffer - Lt. Colonel Oliver NorthÉ

And a private turboprop King Air 200 supposedly caught on tape in the sting with FAA ownership records leading directly to the CIA and some of the perpetrators of the most notorious (and never punished) major financial frauds of the '80s. ÉGreek shippers paying bribes to obtain loans from American companies that would never be repaid.ÉAn American executive snatching the charred remains of a $10,000 payoff check from an ashtray in an Athens restaurantÉSwiss police finding bank accounts used for kickbacks and bribesÉ

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All these events lead inexorably to one unanswered question: How did this one plane go from being controlled by Barry Seal, the biggest drug smuggler in American history, to becoming, according to state officials, a favored airplane of Texas Governor George W. Bush?

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Three months into an exhaustive investigation of persistent reports dating to 1995 that there exists an incriminating videotape of current Republican Presidential front-runner Bush caught in a hastily-aborted DEA cocaine sting, the central allegation remains unprovenÉ

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MORE
http://www.fromthewilderness.c.../ciadrugs/W_plane.html
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Bush commited a felony as a college kid?? whoa

I heard it was serial date rape. They settled out of court and sealed the records.
 
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