What will be AMD'S next Move?

[krumme]

I have no trust in AMD anymore.

They need to do something like...now.

Hey Olli, do you miss me? Because I do miss you man. :'(

Haha. Relax man its gfx we are talking about

In the short run, actually as consumers what do we care what amd do? we will just not buy 290/290x at the now inflated prices and get 970/980 instead.

Actually its about time something happens with prices, and its obvious the prices will adopt as have happened every single time before.

It might come as a surprice to some of you: but the market dristributing goods and balancing prises all over the world from grain to spacestations, didnt stop working the day NV released big Maxwell.

 

[frozentundra123456]

750Ti was in a very different situation than 970 and 980. The only advantage really for the 750 Ti was that it gave very good relative performance without an external power connector. One could actually achieve better performance per dollar with AMD. That situation is dramatically changed with the new Maxwell cards, especially the 970.

 

[parvadomus]

290 and 290X will probably fall to sub 300 price. Its a matter of time until AMD start getting 0 sales from current prices. In fact they can always stay close to 970s, their production costs is almost the same: a little bigger die but with much slower mems.

Also since 285 and 980 launch I am starting to believe AMD/NV share some of their IPs or co-develop technologies. What do you think about the memory delta compression thing? How 285 & 980 got a big pixel fill speed up in the same time frame, and because of the same technology?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8460/amd-radeon-r9-285-review/16

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-review/19

 

[Erenhardt]

Haha. Relax man its gfx we are talking about

In the short run, actually as consumers what do we care what amd do? we will just not buy 290/290x at the now inflated prices and get 970/980 instead.

Actually its about time something happens with prices, and its obvious the prices will adopt as have happened every single time before.

It might come as a surprice to some of you: but the market dristributing goods and balancing prises all over the world from grain to spacestations, didnt stop working the day NV released big Maxwell.

You don't understand him. You need to know his position to have a context of what he posted.

He is sitting on 4x290X. There is nothing faster than that. Meanwhile, everyone and their dog is jumping from 2x R9 290/X to 2x970/980.

He just want something new aswell. While going from 290xfire to 970sli is sidegrade at best, going from 4x290X to 4x980 will be a major downgrade and utter waste of money.

Since SLI is bad his only hope is in amd.

AMD may want to wait untill holidays to release something new. That could make people buy the fresh stuff that is reviewed left and right, rather than the 4months old stuff which lost its shine.

 

[krumme]

Okey. Ok. but ofcource the stacked memory is comming from AMD q1 or q2. That should do it for that kind of über need. So there is hope for the high end

 

[krumme]

750Ti was in a very different situation than 970 and 980. The only advantage really for the 750 Ti was that it gave very good relative performance without an external power connector. One could actually achieve better performance per dollar with AMD. That situation is dramatically changed with the new Maxwell cards, especially the 970.

Yeaa its not normal NV is better perf/price if thats what you call a dramatic situation. It will probably only last a few weeks and things will get back to normal.

 

[MathMan]

Also since 285 and 980 launch I am starting to believe AMD/NV share some of their IPs or co-develop technologies. What do you think about the memory delta compression thing? How 285 & 980 got a big pixel fill speed up in the same time frame, and because of the same technology?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8460/amd-radeon-r9-285-review/16

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-review/19

AMD and Nvidia have been using various forms of compression for years. But both are having to deal with a situation where GDDR5 is essentially stalled and the obvious solution is to be more efficient with BW. That doesn't mean they're actually sharing IP.

 

[ShintaiDK]

So AMDs current answer to Maxwell is:
http://www.4gamer.net/games/234/G023455/20140927004/

1. (AMD is) The Future of Gaming
2. (AMD is) For those who demand the best for their Money
3. AMD Radeon Graphics – Upto 26% higher performance over the GTX 760
4. Freesync
5. Eyefinity
6. True Audio
7. (AMD Radeon Graphics are) 4K ready.
8. (AMD Radeon Graphics boast) DirectX 12 AND Mantle
9. AMD PowerTune Technology
10. Unique Board Designs
11. AMD Gaming Evolved Client
12. Latest Graphics Core Next Architecture

Deep pricecuts doesnt seem like something they are willing/able to. Instead they come up with 12 marketing points.

 

[desprado]

So AMDs current answer to Maxwell is:
http://www.4gamer.net/games/234/G023455/20140927004/

Deep pricecuts doesnt seem like something they are willing/able to. Instead they come up with 12 marketing points.

That is called desprate when u have nothing to show or nothing to talk about.They are only defending.

 

[SperglordActual]

So AMDs current answer to Maxwell is:
http://www.4gamer.net/games/234/G023455/20140927004/

Deep pricecuts doesnt seem like something they are willing/able to. Instead they come up with 12 marketing points.

I was really hoping to see some sort of competition right now out of AMD rather than a silly list.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Maybe AMD feels like they are the 'premium' graphics company now that they're powering graphics in all the newest consoles. Nvidia has found itself behind a number of times, but not always lowered prices. It worked ok for them, maybe AMD is dipping their toes in to see if they can get away with that.

 

[RaulF]

That is called desprate when u have nothing to show or nothing to talk about.They are only defending.

No.

Desperate is this joke of a thread that you have made.

I guess Nvidia has to pay people to smear their competition in forums.

AMD does not have to do anything, is been like this forever now. They just one up each other.

 

[Abwx]

Maybe AMD feels like they are the 'premium' graphics company now that they're powering graphics in all the newest consoles. Nvidia has found itself behind a number of times, but not always lowered prices. It worked ok for them, maybe AMD is dipping their toes in to see if they can get away with that.

Never give credit where it is not due, if Nvidia thought that their cards were really superior they would had priced them accordingly, but they know that set apart lower power comsumption, wich doesnt produce a single fps advantage, the newly released products bring nothing gaming experience wise.

 

[SimianR]

I think the reality is that AMD is going to keep an eye on the supply/pricing situation of the Geforce 970/980 first. If the sales of AMD GPU's suddenly falls of the map you can bet they'll adjust prices - but if people are having trouble getting their hands on a GTX 970/980 and price gouging drives the price up, they might have to be less aggressive with their price cuts.

*edit*

As I write this - on NCIX (in Canada) there are R9 290's selling for less than the price of the Geforce 970. Whether or not AMD officially drops the prices or not, I bet we'll see a lot more weekly deals/rebates to make sure these cards are still moving.

 

[DeathReborn]

In the UK 970's are £250+ but if you look for daily/weekly deals you can get R9 290's for £210-220+.

AMD should be doing that kinda pricing at least to counter the Maxwell cards. R9 290 for £200~ & 290X for £240~ would be about right.

 

[Abwx]

In the meantime they seems to look for diversification of their GPUs markets, there are GPUs elsewhere than in the retail market..
Did find this posted at Semiaccurate :

The source says the new 27″ iMac will use a 5120 x 2880 panel

The report also claims Apple will be switching to AMD graphics for this new iMac

http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/29/retina-imac-27-amd/

 

[SolMiester]

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He is sitting on 4x290X. There is nothing faster than that. Meanwhile, everyone and their dog is jumping from 2x R9 290/X to 2x970/980.

He just want something new aswell. While going from 290xfire to 970sli is sidegrade at best, going from 4x290X to 4x980 will be a major downgrade and utter waste of money.

Since SLI is bad his only hope is in amd.

HUH?
http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/562...way-sli--4-way-sli-review-benchmarks-crysis-3

 

[desprado]

You don't understand him. You need to know his position to have a context of what he posted.

He is sitting on 4x290X. There is nothing faster than that. Meanwhile, everyone and their dog is jumping from 2x R9 290/X to 2x970/980.

He just want something new aswell. While going from 290xfire to 970sli is sidegrade at best, going from 4x290X to 4x980 will be a major downgrade and utter waste of money.

Since SLI is bad his only hope is in amd.

AMD may want to wait untill holidays to release something new. That could make people buy the fresh stuff that is reviewed left and right, rather than the 4months old stuff which lost its shine.

Seriously?

4 way SLI has beaten all the world records and now they are the record holder.

 

[Abwx]

HUH?
http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/562...way-sli--4-way-sli-review-benchmarks-crysis-3

What about all the other games tested in this review.?

Scaling is really mediocre to non existent for more than 2 way.

The averages :

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/562...s-hardwareinfo-gpu-performance-score-20142015

 

[3DVagabond]

I think the reality is that AMD is going to keep an eye on the supply/pricing situation of the Geforce 970/980 first. If the sales of AMD GPU's suddenly falls of the map you can bet they'll adjust prices - but if people are having trouble getting their hands on a GTX 970/980 and price gouging drives the price up, they might have to be less aggressive with their price cuts.

*edit*

As I write this - on NCIX (in Canada) there are R9 290's selling for less than the price of the Geforce 970. Whether or not AMD officially drops the prices or not, I bet we'll see a lot more weekly deals/rebates to make sure these cards are still moving.

^^^This is the first move. Now it's wait and see. Gaming bundles would be another alternative.

 

[SolMiester]

What about all the other games tested in this review.?

Scaling is really mediocre to non existent for more than 2 way.

The averages :

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/562...s-hardwareinfo-gpu-performance-score-20142015

The averages are to quote the sight 'insane', I linked that graph as it shows best the scaling of SLI which according to the poster was a waste of money!

Out of all the graphs below, one is especially impressive: Ultra HD with Ultra settings. A single GTX 980 scores 27,6 fps, two score 52 fps; that means that the games scale 88% on average, which is really something else. Better still, many games become playable with these settings.

Further, the GTX 980 is the first high-end card that you can actually use in 3-way or 4-way SLI. Previous high-end cards could be configured in this way, but that never resulted in a boost in performance. It definitely does now! Partly because of the extremely high Ultra HD resolution and Intel's Haswell-E platform that can deliver the data quickly enough, the third and fourth card offer a significant bump. With four cards, we see an average framerate of 70,9 fps. That's insane!

 

[3DVagabond]

Yes, CPU bottlenecks are less now.

 

[Abwx]

The averages are to quote the sight 'insane', I linked that graph as it shows best the scaling of SLI which according to the poster was a waste of money!

Out of all the graphs below, one is especially impressive: Ultra HD with Ultra settings. A single GTX 980 scores 27,6 fps, two score 52 fps; that means that the games scale 88% on average, which is really something else. Better still, many games become playable with these settings.

Further, the GTX 980 is the first high-end card that you can actually use in 3-way or 4-way SLI. Previous high-end cards could be configured in this way, but that never resulted in a boost in performance. It definitely does now! Partly because of the extremely high Ultra HD resolution and Intel's Haswell-E platform that can deliver the data quickly enough, the third and fourth card offer a significant bump. With four cards, we see an average framerate of 70,9 fps. That's insane!

From 27.6 to 52 and then to 62 and 70.9 respectively for 1, 2 , 3 and 4 way, is it what they call insane.???.

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/532...performance-hardwareinfo-gpu-performancescore

Settings are the same for two graphs.

 

[x3sphere]

From 27.6 to 52 and then to 62 and 70.9 respectively for 1, 2 , 3 and 4 way, is it what they call insane.???.

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/532...performance-hardwareinfo-gpu-performancescore

Settings are the same for two graphs.

I wouldn't call it insane either.

Crysis 3 and Battlefield 4 show pretty good scaling with 3 or 4 GPUs, though.

 

[nitromullet]

I find it sort of interesting a development that it actually looks like the GTX 780 is the one getting the deeper cuts at the moment. Asus GTX 780 for just under $300 AMIR with a newegg 5% off code. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121779

I was expecting a more aggressive price cutting strategy from AMD, but of course, it's still pretty early days.

I can't imagine that the new 290/290X cards are selling all that well at the moment. There is a still a flood of cheap used cards available, and the Never Settle bundle isn't a very interesting as a bonus. Granted, the bundle isn't really AMD's fault. Not many AAA titles have launched yet, and most of the games on the Never Settle card have already been discounted by Steam or GMG.

That being said, I might be interested in a non-reference (quiet) 290 for under $300, but not for $350+.