What will be AMD'S next Move?

[Grooveriding]

Well clearly your statement is inaccurate because NVIDIA actually measured MFAA performance using Watch Dogs (in addition to Far Cry 3, Hitman Absolution, Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag, and Call of Duty: Ghosts):

No it's wholly accurate as I was only giving examples of deferred games. You needed to look beyond graphs and read the page you were on to see unlike a post AA filter that can be applied at driver to level to any game, MFAA requires specific support.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-review/6

In both cases Multi-Frame sampled Anti-Aliasing could be enabled at the driver level, with NVIDIA’s drivers intercepting the call for MSAA and instead providing their new anti-aliasing technique. At this point we don’t know for sure what compatibility will be like, so it remains to be seen what games it will work with. NVIDIA for their part is noting that they “plan to support […] a wide range of games” with the technology

Reading that again it is also mentioning a filtering method for MFAA, hopefully that is not a filtering technique like the blurfest trainwreck we see in TXAA. Right now we don't know what IQ will be like as the feature is an 'in the future' status and is not available.

My guess is availability will become similar to TXAA and be something we see implemented in TWIMTPB games that choose to support it.

 

[f1sherman]

My guess is availability will become similar to TXAA and be something we see implemented in TWIMTPB games that choose to support it.

Like Like Far Cry 3 and Hitman Absolution?

“plan to support […] a wide range of games”

"could be enabled at the driver level"

meaning it could also be enabled at application level.

Right of the bat Far Cry 3, Hitman Absolution, Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag, and Call of Duty: Ghosts - that's more support than TXAA got in a lifetime

 

[Grooveriding]

Like Like Far Cry 3 and Hitman Absolution?

“plan to support […] a wide range of games”

"could be enabled at the driver level"

meaning it could also be enabled at application level.

Right of the bat Far Cry 3, Hitman Absolution, Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag, and Call of Duty: Ghosts - that's more support than TXAA got in a lifetime

Why cherry pick individual words from an article to make a point that is not there ? That's a little bizarre.

In both cases Multi-Frame sampled Anti-Aliasing could be enabled at the driver level, with NVIDIA’s drivers intercepting the call for MSAA and instead providing their new anti-aliasing technique

Off the bat availability is zero, it's not working. No one can try it.

 

[f1sherman]

Was I cherry picking? Sorry. It's your quote.

I've seen MFAA in NV demo and it was tough to distinguish from 4xMSAA.
Also, MFAA is a key component for VR direct so that should boost its availability too.

Nvidia internally using it already in 5 games for benchmarking purposes does not sound like it's difficult to implement.

 

[Gloomy]

Was I cherry picking? Sorry. It's your quote.

I've seen MFAA in NV demo and it was tough to distinguish from 4xMSAA.
Also, MFAA is a key component for VR direct so that should boost its availability too.

Nvidia internally using it already in 5 games for benchmarking purposes does not sound like it's difficult to implement.

You mean that NV demo with the static image? :|

 

[f1sherman]

I do

And if anything I expect MFAA to be BETTER in motion due to its temporary dependance.

 

[SirPauly]

What excites me for higher resolutions is a x2 AA for basically free performance based on this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nef6yWYu0-I#t=114

And hopefully this carries over to texture, alpha test -- as well as geometry samples

 

[f1sherman]

What excites me for higher resolutions is a x2 AA for basically free performance based on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nef6yWYu0-I#t=114

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thx, watching it right now :ninja:

 

[Phynaz]

I do

And if anything I expect MFAA to be BETTER in motion due to its temporary dependance.

Lol, temporary dependence.

That's you, right?

 

[tollingalong]

IMO that AMD next gen cards wont come until next year so will they price drop there gpu further or they are in a safe side?

Plz dont flame in this topic and i just want to know opinions.

AMD claims it has the fastest card:
http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1313/3866/original.jpg

I'd be surprised if AMD didn't have a faster card than the 980 or even 980 Ti.

I wouldn't be surprised if they don't want 800-1000 watt psu.

 

[3DVagabond]

So if AMD adjusts its PowerTune similar to Maxwell we can see much better efficiency on new GCN also?

If they can, is the question.

I still believe the 285X got cancelled since they are going to have to put the 290 in the price range.

Why would they cancel the fully functioning chip? Are they just going to cripple every single Tonga chip rather than sell them?

They are likely waiting to see what clocks and price will be needed to sell it. Rather than releasing it and having to adjust after the fact like Hawaii.

 

[tollingalong]

Why would they cancel the fully functioning chip?

There is no guarantee what a 285X might be. On a related note:

https://twitter.com/AMDIndia/status/513334283264466947

Can you name our first product that processed graphics independently of the CPU? #FutureIsAMD

Hopefully their new card is better than their marketing.

 

[3DVagabond]

AMD claims it has the fastest card:
http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1313/3866/original.jpg

I'd be surprised if AMD didn't have a faster card than the 980 or even 980 Ti.

I wouldn't be surprised if they don't want 800-1000 watt psu.

The 295X2 is still the fastest card. It's interesting to see the follow up about the fight is just starting. We'll see if AMD actually has anything.

 

[f1sherman]

The 295X2 is still the fastest card. It's interesting to see the follow up about the fight is just starting. We'll see if AMD actually has anything.

its actually pretty sad that the fights they are picking up lately are mostly verbal and ran through media

maybe this works on younger generation or on their die-hard fans,
but all those countdowns, guerilla marketing, and all those tweets and pills are somehow counter-productive with me

and it's same with their overly aggressive fans online - more damage than good.
You are going to scratch Nvidia's well established fan fortress
(lets assume there is some truth to this) by being abrasive?

I dont think so.

I'd like to see some seriousness in their marketing for a change.

 

[desprado]

The 295X2 is still the fastest card. It's interesting to see the follow up about the fight is just starting. We'll see if AMD actually has anything.

An example Putting a ferrari into a bike race because it has twice as many wheels but it is a Different vehicle.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Not going to call out specific members here but for the last 8 months, nearly every single person here who is calling doom and gloom for AMD not once pointed out the following:

1) $350-400 after-market 290 made $450-500 3GB 780 irrelevant and even more so the $550 6GB version. Yet, I saw a total of 0 threads regarding the horrible value of 780 and how NV was doomed.

The $400 price of the 290 didn't rewrite anything. It became the last really recommendable GPU because it was priced perfectly acceptably over the 770, but it didn't rewrite anything below it. There was no need for threads stating the obvious that the 780, 780Ti, 290X, and Titans were horrible values.

The 970 rewrites the entire pricing structure. If it was $450, all that would need happen is the 290 and 290X to reduce their price a little. Everything else could remain pretty much the same. But at $329, the 290 and 290X now need massive price cuts. This puts them into competition with the 285, so that will need a cut. So the 760 and 270X will need cuts. So the 270 will need a cut. The 750 Ti and 260X can probably remain about the same, though, as there's likely enough compression room in the pricing structure for all these cards to exist between $100 and $330.

Until this price correction happens, everything above $100 points to the GTX 970.

 

[Silverforce11]

As they say, talk is cheap.

Actions speak louder.

Speak softly and carry a big stick.

All this huff & puff suggests they got nothing special coming.

 

[Silverforce11]

The $400 price of the 290 didn't rewrite anything. It became the last really recommendable GPU because it was priced perfectly acceptably over the 770, but it didn't rewrite anything below it.

You have a very short term memory. R290s made 770 look like a rip off (there were many threads & recommendations here for gamers to spend a bit extra and go for a R290!), because for a bit more you had much more performance and 4GB vram. It made everything above it look like a rip off.

It was a very good card that came at a very good price for the time, back when everything was ridiculously expensive. It force price drops on the 780 series.

When AMD can force NV to a price drop, it means they done something great.

The 970 takes that approach and goes one step further. Credit where its due.

 

[DominionSeraph]

You have a very short term memory. R290s made 770 look like a rip off

And the 770 looked like a rip-off compared to the 760. That it was a better value than the 770 didn't say much.
It was recommendable that if you were going above 760 to hit a 290. But the 290's price didn't compress everything beneath it like a $329 970 does.

 

[desprado]

And the 770 looked like a rip-off compared to the 760. That it was a better value than the 770 didn't say much.

GTX 970 price and performance is totally making R9 290/X a total rip off even GTX 980.

 

[night.fox]

i like this gpu wars lol.

last series, nvidia release 780. amd released 290x which beats 780. then nvidia unlocked 780 and named it 780ti which even beat titan in benchmarks and gaming.

I am not sure if they will do this again but I smell that it will happen again. AMD will release something big which almost same or even beat 980. then nvidia will unlock 980.

in the end, its the end users who will win. Hope AMD will come out with something big because gpu prices has been very high lately...

 

[tviceman]

The 295X2 is still the fastest card. It's interesting to see the follow up about the fight is just starting. We'll see if AMD actually has anything.

What else would he say? "You're right. We completely lost this round"???? He's basically AMD's biggest cheerleader and he has to act like it at all times.

 

[tviceman]

You have a very short term memory. R290s made 770 look like a rip off (there were many threads & recommendations here for gamers to spend a bit extra and go for a R290!), because for a bit more you had much more performance and 4GB vram. It made everything above it look like a rip off.

It was a very good card that came at a very good price for the time, back when everything was ridiculously expensive. It force price drops on the 780 series.

When AMD can force NV to a price drop, it means they done something great.

The 970 takes that approach and goes one step further. Credit where its due.

The difference is that Nvidia had all sorts of room to lower prices on the 770. It was a much smaller chip, strapped with half the vram and a less complex PCB. How much room is left to price the r9 290? Can a 440 mm^2 chip that consumes high amounts of power and is strapped with 4gb of vram sell for $250 and make any appreciable amount of money? Even at $250, is it attractive enough to chose it over the gtx 970 when the extra $80 in cost will get additonal DX12 features, higher efficiency, and higher performance?

 

[3DVagabond]

What else would he say? "You're right. We completely lost this round"???? He's basically AMD's biggest cheerleader and he has to act like it at all times.

Why is it either/or? How about he says nothing?

 

[Grooveriding]

i like this gpu wars lol.

last series, nvidia release 780. amd released 290x which beats 780. then nvidia unlocked 780 and named it 780ti which even beat titan in benchmarks and gaming.

I am not sure if they will do this again but I smell that it will happen again. AMD will release something big which almost same or even beat 980. then nvidia will unlock 980.

in the end, its the end users who will win. Hope AMD will come out with something big because gpu prices has been very high lately...

I hope so. The 980 is a full chip so if AMD delivers some sort of halo card maybe it will force out a gm200 on 28nm if they have one waiting in the wings and we can get a 780ti upgrade from both vendors and not see another $1000 card as the first big die geforce for Maxwell.