The point is that AMD cannot compete at the same price of Nvidia.They need to lower price down if they are giving the same performance due many other key issues.As a AMD owner of a 7970 who has now upgraded to a GTX 970 (no axe to grind with either tech) I do not think AMD are far behind. The R9 285 maybe a hint of things to come from AMD. There could be a Tonga based bigger brother around the corner that will compete with the GTX 970 and above with better power management and at the same price. I wouldn't be surprised if this happened and then they phase out the R9 290's and X's just like Nvidia are doing with the 780's/Ti's.
NV can mess up one generation or even two and will come out okay.
They sold for at least 1bn "worth" of faulty chips knowing that they werent reliable, consumers endured billions losses with 40-60 millions laptops that failed, if it was AMD they would have been bankrupt, on the other hand i see here critics of the 290, but this card was and is still reliable...
Whatever happened with that? Last I read, Apple took the damages bill, right?
Abwx, you do realize that the consumer/gaming market still accounts for vastly the revenue for AMD right? I don't think your claims hold up when Maxwell IS very EE for games.
If I were an AMD shareholder, I would be crapping my pants in a panic and eagerly await their response.
Abwx, you do realize that the consumer/gaming market still accounts for vastly the revenue for AMD right? I don't think your claims hold up when Maxwell IS very EE for games.
If I were an AMD shareholder, I would be crapping my pants in a panic and eagerly await their response.
Oh, so you're telling me that if you can find a deal on used hardware, it's a deal? Wow, thank you for telling me that X=X. I never would have figured that out otherwise.
There's an i5 750 sitting in FS/FT for $70 and two unlocked 6950's for $70 each. Doesn't mean I can recommend to everyone to get an i5 750 and unlocked 6950's.
Used sure you can get a good deal on them but most people don't buy used.
You are right on their revenues segmentation but it is even more important for Nvidia because they are almost a purely GPU company and they are trying to regain in the gaming market what they are loosing on the professional market, their gaming products pricing reflect more their fear of AMD that anything else and it looks that their ruthless CEO has decided that they are an existential threat by initiating a competition based on prices, Nvidia, like Intel, know perfectly the business structure of their competitor, despite all critics Rory Read has made a clever plan and the competition know that AMD is on the verge of getting more means should their sales increase by 10-20%, in respect of their current revenue each 100m added revenue will generate about 35m net income, hence they need 1bn more annual revenue to be viable on the long term and that s exactly what the competition doesnt want.
Nvidia because they are almost a purely GPU company and they are trying to regain in the gaming market what they are loosing on the professional market, their gaming products pricing reflect more their fear of AMD that anything else and it looks that their ruthless CEO has decided that they are an existential threat by initiating a competition based on prices
despite all critics Rory Read has made a clever plan and the competition know that AMD is on the verge of getting more means should their sales increase by 10-20%
However, barring something completely unexpected from AMD in the next few weeks, I'm set to buy either a 970 or 980 very shortly because I have grown tired of the quirkiness of AMD's cards. I just want something that works and is quiet while still delivering top notch performance.
That's an interesting takeaway from getting your entire $300+ lineup obsolete
They sold for at least 1bn "worth" of faulty chips knowing that they werent reliable, consumers endured billions losses with 40-60 millions laptops that failed, if it was AMD they would have been bankrupt, on the other hand i see here critics of the 290, but this card was and is still reliable...
AMD is diverse to more to lower budget.Sony and MS can never afford console to be expensive and also cannot afford to buy high performance specs and now u can see that Console are struggling so much just to get at least 30 fps on 1080p.AMD do not even own 10% of CPU or mobile market because there product is not efficient and do not perform like people expect.I doubt it. AMD is a much more diverse company now. They branched off into consoles, embedded, professional graphics, and microservers. Their Verizon seamicroserver contract a year ago will start factoring into their profit this and next quarter. Nvidia has done the same. I have a small amount of AMD, Nvidia, and Intel stock. Though i am the most concern about my Intel. I let the crap marinate in my pants until Thursday lol.
The 290x was an ergonomic disaster at release. Obviously pushed to the limits of what AMD was able to cool. It took AIB makers to make the 290x a viable option for users, and even then, there still wasn't much room to overclock and it was still producing furnace levels of heat.
Bumpgate for those who don't know about it.
I purchased on of these laptops in question. I wound up trading it for another one with my brother in law. It wound up failing on him and of course it was already out of warranty at the time.
NVidia pretty much kept it on the hush hush for a long time.
Dang I'm an email whore I guess. Looked thru my inbox and found the order confirmation 9/14/06 and it looks like the lappy in question was $1,045.78 after tax.
No company is perfect but sometimes their actions do leave a bad taste in peoples mouths.
So u want to compare a $4xx gpu with a $330 gpu but still a $330 gpu wins by all means.Look at the numbers rather than trying to mislead the public by spreading innacuracies..
The 980 has 4% lead over a 290X that run at 1040, a 290 that run at 1000 is overall faster than a 970, seems that obsolete gear can compete with the brand new Nvidia GPUs line.
So u want to compare a $4xx gpu with a $330 gpu but still a $330 gpu wins by all means.
AMD fire pro is far behind Nvidia quadro in term of performance ,quality and reliability .
Maybe you should fight back by posting some TitanZ vs 295x2 benchmarks in retaliation....I'm sure if you cherry pick the reviews you could find a couple were the TitanZ wins.
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I'm sure AMD has something in the works already. It's not like you can just whip a gpu out of thin air and produce it in a couple of weeks.
Only apple took the bill for its customers, other brands kept silent while updating their laptops firmware to get the fans spin harder, i knew of three people who got such laptops booting windows with dead screaning, most of the consumers were unaware of the issue, worst is that the laptops often failed once the warranty periods passed, two weeks for my sister s laptop, she got a replacement only when she threatened to sue the dealer, he offered her to take the one she wants on the shelves whatever the price, he surely did so as he knew that if it was publicised hundreds customers would ask for the same, Nvidia get away with it thanks to the whole distribution chain as it would have been a financial burden for every people in the business, so the consumers did pay for the thing.
More on topic i guess that AMD are somewhat relieved in respect of said Maxwell uarch as they know that there was no architectural improvements, it s the same underlying uarch as Kepler with a few updates that adress lacks in D3D (Nvidia aknwoledged that the previous gen was lacking hardware features of DX11.1) and in some throughput operations but overall it brings no perf/watt improvement intrinsicaly, the IPC has not increased globaly and it consume the same amount in watt/operation, the power management can eventualy make illusion in the gaming area but in the professional side of things they wont get any perf/watt advantage.