What with the US travel warning and shutting your embassies?

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boomerang

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The only people saying the war on terror is over are the idiots you listen to that spun Obamas words into something he didn't say.

So surprise you fell for the propaganda hook line and sinker.
Simple question for you. Do you actually believe that Obama did not say Al-Qaeda was on the run? I'm going to give you a head's up that you should be careful how you answer.

What's your answer?
 

MiniDoom

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false story leaked to the press to justify nsa surveillance. timely with the dea/nsa info sharing story that came out today.
 

boomerang

Lifer
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false story leaked to the press to justify nsa surveillance. timely with the dea/nsa info sharing story that came out today.
I don't think so. This is too big a deal worldwide for the U.S. to pull some hijinks. We may be the laughing stock of the world in many respects but for us to declare worldwide travel warnings, for a month no less, effects economies on too grand a scale. What's up, I have no clue. Whether something will come of it, I don't know. I don't think it's a decision that's easily made for political purposes.
 

ivwshane

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Simple question for you. Do you actually believe that Obama did not say Al-Qaeda was on the run? I'm going to give you a head's up that you should be careful how you answer.

What's your answer?

Lol, you can't even ask an honest question. You said people have been saying the war on terror is over, no one has said that except the people I mentioned in my previous post. Have they said they are on the run? Sure and that's why I didn't say anything about that part of the comment.
 

gloom111

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More than likely the security threat is real, but the reaction is overblown. It's also a very non-confrontational approach to the problem. It looks like...no, we are running away from the threat, whatever it is. I can understand many of these closings, but Bahrain? Bahrain is the home of the Fifth Fleet. If we can't protect the embassy when we have a naval base within four kilometers of the embassy, we should just close up shop everywhere and bring everyone home. This is just the most obvious embassy we could protect if we wanted to. So what message does this send to our enemies? It tells them strike now because the Americans are running scared.
 

ivwshane

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More than likely the security threat is real, but the reaction is overblown. It's also a very non-confrontational approach to the problem. It looks like...no, we are running away from the threat, whatever it is. I can understand many of these closings, but Bahrain? Bahrain is the home of the Fifth Fleet. If we can't protect the embassy when we have a naval base within four kilometers of the embassy, we should just close up shop everywhere and bring everyone home. This is just the most obvious embassy we could protect if we wanted to. So what message does this send to our enemies? It tells them strike now because the Americans are running scared.

Yep! Fuck those sovereign countries and there damn space! Instead we should be setting up a base to fight these bastards! Of course we don't know who they are since they won't be attacking with military marked vehicles and waving their flags around when the attack! Nope! We should just be launching cruise missiles at anything that looks suspicious!
 

gloom111

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Yep! Fuck those sovereign countries and there damn space! Instead we should be setting up a base to fight these bastards! Of course we don't know who they are since they won't be attacking with military marked vehicles and waving their flags around when the attack! Nope! We should just be launching cruise missiles at anything that looks suspicious!

We do have our own security forces. There is no reason we shouldn't be able to increase our security, and work with the host nations to ensure we are ready and capable of defending our embassies. In the event that a host nation is uncooperative, fine, close the embassy, pull any aid, and leave it closed. We don't need to set up bases, they already exist.

http://www.ts2.pl/en/Internet-in-the-Middle-East-for-US-Army-Soldiers

We would only need to ensure that we have alert ready forces prepared to deploy. The enemy becomes fairly obvious once they start shooting, they are the only ones left in the street. Hell, one minute people are bitching we spend too much money on defense, the next minute they don't think we can defend ourselves. Stack the embassies with Rangers, put a handful of C-130's and SF teams on standby, and play some Battle Field 3 until the shit hits the fan. Will people die, sure they will. Will they be elite soldiers who have agreed to put their lives on the line for their country, you bet. But these terrorists will kill Americans regardless, if you can't pick the battle ground, you should prepare the ground you have as best you can. You can run all the way back to the USA and they will follow, and they will kill Americans on our ground. If you doubt it, your head is in the sand and you probably believe 9-11 conspiracy theorists. If so, there is no point in talking to you anyway. Benghazi was a tragedy and we lost some good people, but tactically speaking, four Americans with various levels of training successfully defended the Annex for over seven hours.
 
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gloom111

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Should they just keep the embassies open so that they can demonstrate what may happen if they take no precautions?

Yes, with increased security, increased cooperation with the host nation, and response teams on standby.

Didn't they try that one?
No, what happened was that they ignored the last one after cutting the security detail the month before. No one suggested that we ignore the threat, simply that we respond to it in a manner that can't be construed as cowardly by our enemies.
 

ivwshane

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Yes, with increased security, increased cooperation with the host nation, and response teams on standby.

No, what happened was that they ignored the last one after cutting the security detail the month before. No one suggested that we ignore the threat, simply that we respond to it in a manner that can't be construed as cowardly by our enemies.

Not only do you not know how embassies work but you also didn't read the Benghazi report that said support wouldn't have arrived in a reasonable amount of time. And it's apparent you don't know how terrorist strikes work because if you did you wouldn't be proposing that sort of nonsense.
 

Broheim

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well, what appears to be a car bomb was discovered this morning in a car park underneath a building that houses several government offices in Copenhagen, EOD is on site and the area has been evacuated but so far there isn't any confirmation on the threat.
 

Broheim

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aaaaaaaaaaaand it's called off, apparently it was some sort of scientific experiment.
 

Doppel

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Fear mongering. Haven't paid much attention to the story. Terrorism doesn't scare me at all.
 

unokitty

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Fear mongering. Haven't paid much attention to the story. Terrorism doesn't scare me at all.

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Dear U.S. citizen
So, it turns out that al-Qaeda has not been defeated. In fact, its operatives want to kill you.

Mainly, they want to kill you if you happen to be in one of the following 21 countries. Also, by the way, they want to kill you in the U.S., but right now let’s not talk about that, and focus on the immediate threat. We don’t know where, when or how al-Qaeda is going to try to kill you – probably August, if it makes you feel any better.

In the past, al-Qaeda terrorists have targeted planes, trains, and automobiles, as well as large buildings, and small buildings. Also, boats. Our suggestion is that you not leave your hotel. And stay out of the lobby! Lobbies are dangerous.

Actually, come to think of it, al-Qaeda has also targeted hotels in the past, so maybe you should just leave your hotel now, but through the kitchen, or the service entrance. But try to avoid people, and also places where there are people, once you have left your hotel.

If you want to come home, please do so, but just be very careful at the airport.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.
From Warning to Americans: Be Afraid, Very Afraid


Uno
 

gloom111

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Not only do you not know how embassies work but you also didn't read the Benghazi report that said support wouldn't have arrived in a reasonable amount of time. And it's apparent you don't know how terrorist strikes work because if you did you wouldn't be proposing that sort of nonsense.

I suggested putting the support in place prior to an incident. If it was already in the embassy, I would imagine it might have a chance to arrive on time. I'm pretty sure that running away from terrorists hasn't helped much. Sure, they've only destroyed one building and killed about 3000 people on our soil so far, but they have attacked and killed Americans and their allies overseas countless times, and killed a total of 7,473 people in terrorist attacks in 2011 alone. Terrorists don't take a stand, they attack by surprise, and push forward if they have an advantage. We may not be able to always take away the advantage of surprise, but take away the advantage in training, arms and numbers and they will stand and die for their religious beliefs, or they will run. We don't have to resign ourselves that every fight will be a Benghazi, if that's the way you feel, you may as well start praying five times a day and throw in the flag. Benghazi was unprepared for an attack, it didn't have the manpower to repel one, and the compound was ill suited for the purpose. It wasn't even a consul, let alone an embassy.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/this-is-what-benghazi-consulate-really-was/
 

Fern

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Heard something on the news about this. It was said a new type of bomb is feared to have been developed. It is a liquid and and clothing is dipped/dunked into it. When the clothing dries the bomb is operable yet undetectable. The name of AQ bomb maker who is said to have developed this was given but I can't remember it.

Fern
 

davmat787

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Heard something on the news about this. It was said a new type of bomb is feared to have been developed. It is a liquid and and clothing is dipped/dunked into it. When the clothing dries the bomb is operable yet undetectable. The name of AQ bomb maker who is said to have developed this was given but I can't remember it.

Fern

I assume they would then stuff the clothing into a steel tube or shell, like a pipe bomb or IED. The explosion must be contained to maximize it, but this is interesting.
 

Gintaras

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Fear mongeringTerrorism doesn't scare me at all.

Of course not...you're on terrorists side...
Rest of The World are scarred about Terrorism - US terrorism...
What was a war in Iraq? Not Terrorism? What of died over 100,000 of iraq people?
Have any iraq solder invade US?

It happened after a False Flag @ WTC....
And you shouldn't be scarred of terrorists, because - WE ARE THE TERRORISTS...of The World....

You should be scarred of another False Flag
 

Gintaras

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Heard something on the news about this. It was said a new type of bomb is feared to have been developed. It is a liquid and and clothing is dipped/dunked into it. When the clothing dries the bomb is operable yet undetectable. The name of AQ bomb maker who is said to have developed this was given but I can't remember it.

Fern

When last time have you checked at psychiatrist?

Who says that? A citizen of country that has more boms that someone else...
A citizen of a country that call themselves A Super Power?

You might have a bomb in your brains that about to explode - from a "flu shot" @ CVS?

Do you think, ONLY you're able to read newspapers and watch TV news?

What's the need to re-podst suich crap on here? just to show others how dumb are you?
 
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