What would be the last straw for you, as a Trump supporter?

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Trump wasn't the greatest on the covid response. He's been decent. He could have done better no doubt. So could have a lot of other countries.

You're totally out to lunch if you actually believe any of this.
So the answer is Biden? Seriously. I'm not talking in Republican talking points here. It's the truth. Joe Biden likely took a bribe from Ukraine.
That's not a Republican talking point? Back up your insane claim or GTFO.

I don't have any idea about the rape stuff but he is undeniably a creepy old man. And he is showing signs of dementia. That's the alternative?
So those things don't bother you about Trump, who is demonstrably more creepy and half-witted? Have you watched any Trump speeches?
 

ch33zw1z

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Trump wasn't the greatest on the covid response. He's been decent. He could have done better no doubt. So could have a lot of other countries.
So the answer is Biden? Seriously. I'm not talking in Republican talking points here. It's the truth. Joe Biden likely took a bribe from Ukraine. I don't have any idea about the rape stuff but he is undeniably a creepy old man. And he is showing signs of dementia. That's the alternative?

It's obvious that Democrats are just trying to lure away Republican voters since it's obvious what they care about.
 

obidamnkenobi

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You're totally out to lunch if you actually believe any of this.
That's not a Republican talking point? Back up your insane claim or GTFO.

So those things don't bother you about Trump, who is demonstrably more creepy and half-witted? Have you watched any Trump speeches?
The infallible GOP arguments "Trump maybe could have done better, but whatabout Biden is possibly a rapists....? Just saying"

How can to you argue with such steely logic?!


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fskimospy

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Trump wasn't the greatest on the covid response. He's been decent. He could have done better no doubt. So could have a lot of other countries.
So the answer is Biden? Seriously. I'm not talking in Republican talking points here. It's the truth. Joe Biden likely took a bribe from Ukraine.

1) there is literally no evidence of this.

2) there is an extremely large amount of evidence that Trump is being bribed on a daily basis by foreign governments through his businesses. The only thing likely preventing conclusive proof is that he is employing every possible method to shield his financials from law enforcement and Congress.

3) Trump was so desperate to dig up dirt on this that he attempted to use your tax dollars to extort the Ukrainian government into making a press release smearing Biden.


If you don’t like bribes, WTF would you choose Trump, the most nakedly corrupt president in history, over Biden?

I don't have any idea about the rape stuff but he is undeniably a creepy old man.
If you are concerned about rape, sexual assault, or general creepiness Trump has been credibly accused by more than a dozen women and publicly confessed to routinely sexually assaulting them.

If rape and creepiness are a problem to you, WTF would you choose Trump over Biden?

And he is showing signs of dementia. That's the alternative?
Trump routinely shows significant signs of accelerating dementia, forgetting where he is, slurring his words, talking in disjointed sentences, etc.

If you’re not just repeating talking points I hope you engage on these points as everything you are complaining about with Biden is far worse with Trump.
 

Greenman

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LOL, I am surrounded by die hard Trumpians and with the exception of my wife I don't know anyone that isn't fully on the Trump train. Every once in a while I get one of them to admit something was not handled right and even they agree someone should take his Twitter away but no budge on their overall support.
That's pretty common in my experience. Though I think a lot of those folks are going to find Biden acceptable if he can keep it together until November.
 

fskimospy

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I didn't vote for Trump but I might this election. If Trump banned "assault" style rifles, I'd ditch him in a heartbeat. The main reason I don't vote for Dems is because they don't support 2A. It's important to me. This won't turn into a 2A argument because it never goes anywhere. I voted for Obama for his first term and have been voting third party and Republican since. Dems don't want to give up on identity politics and 2A hate so I'll keep giving my votes to others.

The reality is, I don't like Republicans or Democrats.

Does Trump committing multiple felonies bother you?
 

ShookKnight

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Trump wasn't the greatest on the covid response. He's been decent. He could have done better no doubt. So could have a lot of other countries.
So the answer is Biden? Seriously. I'm not talking in Republican talking points here. It's the truth. Joe Biden likely took a bribe from Ukraine. I don't have any idea about the rape stuff but he is undeniably a creepy old man. And he is showing signs of dementia. That's the alternative?
Bribes, rape and dementia aren't something Trump has done... or likely done...

These are concerns of yours, yet, you don't apply them to Trump.
 

fskimospy

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Bribes, rape and dementia aren't something Trump has done... or likely done...

These are concerns of yours, yet, you don't apply them to Trump.

It is kind of amazing that these guys spent the last three years watching foreign dictatorships funnel huge amounts of money to Trump through his properties and didn’t bat an eye, only to rediscover public corruption when Biden’s son got a cushy job at a company where as far as we can tell the sum total of Biden’s actions in regards to the company were to get a prosecutor removed because he WASN’T investigating it.
 

cytg111

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Joe Biden likely took a bribe from Ukraine.

Please please please research this yourself outside of fuckedup right wing media.
You are parroting a Russian Intelligence Operation narrative set forth with the single objective TO FUCK with your mind. Guy. You have been mind fucked. Its not Alex Jones conspiracy shit ... its been verified by multiple independent media sources, international media sources. Rudy got this shit from Kremlin's guy in Ukraine, specifically booted from his position cause corruption. Viktor Shokin is a puppet of The Vlad.
You are effectively a GRU Operative at this stage.
Dont be. Please.
 

fskimospy

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Most politicians do things that bother me, including Trump.
I guess I should be more clear - if a president is an overt criminal but supports gun rights would you vote for them over someone who is not a criminal but wants more gun control?
 

Blackjack200

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I didn't vote for Trump but I might this election. If Trump banned "assault" style rifles, I'd ditch him in a heartbeat. The main reason I don't vote for Dems is because they don't support 2A. It's important to me. This won't turn into a 2A argument because it never goes anywhere. I voted for Obama for his first term and have been voting third party and Republican since. Dems don't want to give up on identity politics and 2A hate so I'll keep giving my votes to others.

The reality is, I don't like Republicans or Democrats.

I don't think Trump really supports 2A. He is primarily an authoritarian, and no authoritarian actually wants its population armed. He might never explicitly overturn the 2A, but he can certainly erode it into meaninglessness like our privacy protections have been under Bush and Obama.

I understand not voting for Democrats because of 2A, but I would hesitate to support their opponent over what I believe is fake support.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Trump wasn't the greatest on the covid response. He's been decent.

What a fucking joke. He has 23,654 dead on his hands as of this morning because he did nothing for two months while real leaders in South Korea did huge amounts of testing and contact tracing early on, which has kept their death toll to 222 despite them being a country of 50 million that got their patient 0 the day after we got ours. They haven't just flattened the curve, they have turned their death curve nearly linear. We could have done that too, we're the richest country on Earth. But Donald Trump does not value human life, which will be even more apparent once he fires Fauci.
 

HomerJS

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Trump wasn't the greatest on the covid response. He's been decent. He could have done better no doubt. So could have a lot of other countries.
So the answer is Biden? Seriously. I'm not talking in Republican talking points here. It's the truth. Joe Biden likely took a bribe from Ukraine. I don't have any idea about the rape stuff but he is undeniably a creepy old man. And he is showing signs of dementia. That's the alternative?
What did he do to give him a grade of decent? Grading Trump on a curve again? I guess if Trump is decent you gave Obama A+s?? I doubt it.

As for Biden, you quickly pivot to a completely unsubstantiated rumors and lies. In fact any negative trait you assign to Biden Trump already has. Biden has one big advantage over Trump. He is a decent human being and cares about people other then himself. I'll take it.

PS - I chuckle at you support of a President who doesn't have even a basic understanding of the US Constitution.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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I didn't vote for Trump but I might this election. If Trump banned "assault" style rifles, I'd ditch him in a heartbeat. The main reason I don't vote for Dems is because they don't support 2A. It's important to me. This won't turn into a 2A argument because it never goes anywhere. I voted for Obama for his first term and have been voting third party and Republican since. Dems don't want to give up on identity politics and 2A hate so I'll keep giving my votes to others.

The reality is, I don't like Republicans or Democrats.

Obama is better on the 2A then Trump. Trump made bump stock rifles illegal, Obama never did shit. You're a sucker still supporting Trump after he made peoples' guns illegal.
 

HomerJS

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I didn't vote for Trump but I might this election. If Trump banned "assault" style rifles, I'd ditch him in a heartbeat. The main reason I don't vote for Dems is because they don't support 2A. It's important to me. This won't turn into a 2A argument because it never goes anywhere. I voted for Obama for his first term and have been voting third party and Republican since. Dems don't want to give up on identity politics and 2A hate so I'll keep giving my votes to others.

The reality is, I don't like Republicans or Democrats.
How many of your guns were confiscated under Obama?
 

fskimospy

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That's a hypothetical question that I'm not going to answer because it doesn't mirror reality. Luckily, there are more than two candidates.
It is not a hypothetical question at all, let’s go through it:

1) Trump is currently an unindicted co-conspirator in a case where his personal attorney is currently in prison. The Muller report spells out in detail at least six cases where Trump has fulfilled all the elements of a felony. I think that is more than sufficient evidence of his criminality.

2) Trump appears to support gun rights.

3) There is no evidence of Biden committing even one crime, much less several. Therefore he does not appear to be a criminal.

4) Biden supports more gun control.

So there we have it, it’s not a hypothetical, it’s the actual choice before you in November. With that in mind would you vote for an overt criminal who supports gun rights (Trump) over a non-criminal who supports gun control? (Biden)
 

brycejones

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I didn't vote for Trump but I might this election. If Trump banned "assault" style rifles, I'd ditch him in a heartbeat. The main reason I don't vote for Dems is because they don't support 2A. It's important to me. This won't turn into a 2A argument because it never goes anywhere. I voted for Obama for his first term and have been voting third party and Republican since. Dems don't want to give up on identity politics and 2A hate so I'll keep giving my votes to others.

The reality is, I don't like Republicans or Democrats.
So you vote for shitty humans who are going to dick over your fellow citizens because of your fetish for metal killing tools? You should seek help.
 
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