Depends on what kind of god you're talking about, but generally speaking something supernatural. Of course, judging by your OP my standards for supernatural a quite bit higher than the norm.
I have as much evidence for Zeus as you have for your God. Which is none.Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Even if God did come down from heaven people would still refuse to believe in him. God could raise people from the dead, heal the sick, and conquer death in front of the entire world, and many would still reject salvation because of hardened, prideful hearts.
Quite the contrary. I would LOVE to see Zeus come down from the clouds and appear infront of the world. I'd be laughing my ass off at the expression on all the Christians' faces. LOL, man, that would be great! And let me tell you, me being wrong would never have felt so good.
Unless you truly believe in zeus as your god, that comment is entirely vacuous and makes no sense. I'd love to ask just what your evidence is for zeus as your god, but I realize it will only escalate a pointless debate as it will not lead to faith. Only the Spirit, through repentance, brokeness and humility can do that.
I do pray that one day you will see how your attitude has been a perfect example of the hardness RapidSnail refers to.
Originally posted by: timosyy
Originally posted by: CKent
This is a silly question and I've seen it posted here a million times before. I understand the point - you want people to see God in every day things the way you do. You wake up, it's a sunny day, God must love you... You're not going to convert anyone, you just come off as another nutcake who's too insecure in his beliefs for anyone else to not share them.
Meh... I don't really see that in the OP. He just asked what it would take for anyone to believe in (any) God. And asked for some creative answers (like... he gives you all His powers & talks to you in the form of Morgan Freeman).
Then misery must cause proselytization. Though I doubt you'd agree.Originally posted by: Vic
The ability to freely enjoy life's simple pleasures is the greatest thing of all. While I don't require the belief in a God for this, if a person does need to believe in a God in order to do so, then I don't blame them. What I do blame are people who are the exact opposite in character and attitude, i.e. misery loves company. Those are the ones responsible for all the problems in the world.Originally posted by: CKent
This is a silly question and I've seen it posted here a million times before. I understand the point - you want people to see God in every day things the way you do. You wake up, it's a sunny day, God must love you... You're not going to convert anyone, you just come off as another nutcake who's too insecure in his beliefs for anyone else to not share them.
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Direct literal answer to a prayer. Much like the dish of lasagna magically appearing in front of me.
Originally posted by: JackBurton
I have as much evidence for Zeus as you have for your God. Which is none.Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Even if God did come down from heaven people would still refuse to believe in him. God could raise people from the dead, heal the sick, and conquer death in front of the entire world, and many would still reject salvation because of hardened, prideful hearts.
Quite the contrary. I would LOVE to see Zeus come down from the clouds and appear infront of the world. I'd be laughing my ass off at the expression on all the Christians' faces. LOL, man, that would be great! And let me tell you, me being wrong would never have felt so good.
Unless you truly believe in zeus as your god, that comment is entirely vacuous and makes no sense. I'd love to ask just what your evidence is for zeus as your god, but I realize it will only escalate a pointless debate as it will not lead to faith. Only the Spirit, through repentance, brokeness and humility can do that.
I do pray that one day you will see how your attitude has been a perfect example of the hardness RapidSnail refers to.
But I will also pray to Zeus for you, so that one day you will realize he is the king of all gods.
Good. He sounds like an a$$hole.Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: JackBurton
I have as much evidence for Zeus as you have for your God. Which is none.Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Even if God did come down from heaven people would still refuse to believe in him. God could raise people from the dead, heal the sick, and conquer death in front of the entire world, and many would still reject salvation because of hardened, prideful hearts.
Quite the contrary. I would LOVE to see Zeus come down from the clouds and appear infront of the world. I'd be laughing my ass off at the expression on all the Christians' faces. LOL, man, that would be great! And let me tell you, me being wrong would never have felt so good.
Unless you truly believe in zeus as your god, that comment is entirely vacuous and makes no sense. I'd love to ask just what your evidence is for zeus as your god, but I realize it will only escalate a pointless debate as it will not lead to faith. Only the Spirit, through repentance, brokeness and humility can do that.
I do pray that one day you will see how your attitude has been a perfect example of the hardness RapidSnail refers to.
But I will also pray to Zeus for you, so that one day you will realize he is the king of all gods.
As long as you're proud of yourself for being cute or witty with your remarks you will never know God...
Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: JackBurton
I have as much evidence for Zeus as you have for your God. Which is none.Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Even if God did come down from heaven people would still refuse to believe in him. God could raise people from the dead, heal the sick, and conquer death in front of the entire world, and many would still reject salvation because of hardened, prideful hearts.
Quite the contrary. I would LOVE to see Zeus come down from the clouds and appear infront of the world. I'd be laughing my ass off at the expression on all the Christians' faces. LOL, man, that would be great! And let me tell you, me being wrong would never have felt so good.
Unless you truly believe in zeus as your god, that comment is entirely vacuous and makes no sense. I'd love to ask just what your evidence is for zeus as your god, but I realize it will only escalate a pointless debate as it will not lead to faith. Only the Spirit, through repentance, brokeness and humility can do that.
I do pray that one day you will see how your attitude has been a perfect example of the hardness RapidSnail refers to.
But I will also pray to Zeus for you, so that one day you will realize he is the king of all gods.
As long as you're proud of yourself for being cute or witty with your remarks you will never know God...
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: JackBurton
I have as much evidence for Zeus as you have for your God. Which is none.Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Even if God did come down from heaven people would still refuse to believe in him. God could raise people from the dead, heal the sick, and conquer death in front of the entire world, and many would still reject salvation because of hardened, prideful hearts.
Quite the contrary. I would LOVE to see Zeus come down from the clouds and appear infront of the world. I'd be laughing my ass off at the expression on all the Christians' faces. LOL, man, that would be great! And let me tell you, me being wrong would never have felt so good.
Unless you truly believe in zeus as your god, that comment is entirely vacuous and makes no sense. I'd love to ask just what your evidence is for zeus as your god, but I realize it will only escalate a pointless debate as it will not lead to faith. Only the Spirit, through repentance, brokeness and humility can do that.
I do pray that one day you will see how your attitude has been a perfect example of the hardness RapidSnail refers to.
But I will also pray to Zeus for you, so that one day you will realize he is the king of all gods.
As long as you're proud of yourself for being cute or witty with your remarks you will never know God...
If I know him can I be smug, condescending and intolerant like you?
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: JackBurton
I have as much evidence for Zeus as you have for your God. Which is none.Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Even if God did come down from heaven people would still refuse to believe in him. God could raise people from the dead, heal the sick, and conquer death in front of the entire world, and many would still reject salvation because of hardened, prideful hearts.
Quite the contrary. I would LOVE to see Zeus come down from the clouds and appear infront of the world. I'd be laughing my ass off at the expression on all the Christians' faces. LOL, man, that would be great! And let me tell you, me being wrong would never have felt so good.
Unless you truly believe in zeus as your god, that comment is entirely vacuous and makes no sense. I'd love to ask just what your evidence is for zeus as your god, but I realize it will only escalate a pointless debate as it will not lead to faith. Only the Spirit, through repentance, brokeness and humility can do that.
I do pray that one day you will see how your attitude has been a perfect example of the hardness RapidSnail refers to.
But I will also pray to Zeus for you, so that one day you will realize he is the king of all gods.
As long as you're proud of yourself for being cute or witty with your remarks you will never know God...
If I know him can I be smug, condescending and intolerant like you?
Smug, condescending and intolerant isn't just allowed, it's mandatory. That's the key to religion. You can't just believe in the cute little fairy tales, you need to be rabid about them.
Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: JackBurton
I have as much evidence for Zeus as you have for your God. Which is none.Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Even if God did come down from heaven people would still refuse to believe in him. God could raise people from the dead, heal the sick, and conquer death in front of the entire world, and many would still reject salvation because of hardened, prideful hearts.
Quite the contrary. I would LOVE to see Zeus come down from the clouds and appear infront of the world. I'd be laughing my ass off at the expression on all the Christians' faces. LOL, man, that would be great! And let me tell you, me being wrong would never have felt so good.
Unless you truly believe in zeus as your god, that comment is entirely vacuous and makes no sense. I'd love to ask just what your evidence is for zeus as your god, but I realize it will only escalate a pointless debate as it will not lead to faith. Only the Spirit, through repentance, brokeness and humility can do that.
I do pray that one day you will see how your attitude has been a perfect example of the hardness RapidSnail refers to.
But I will also pray to Zeus for you, so that one day you will realize he is the king of all gods.
As long as you're proud of yourself for being cute or witty with your remarks you will never know God...
If I know him can I be smug, condescending and intolerant like you?
Smug, condescending and intolerant isn't just allowed, it's mandatory. That's the key to religion. You can't just believe in the cute little fairy tales, you need to be rabid about them.
I suppose the smugness of JackBurton's previous comment would necessarily have to be ignored for your generalization to be meaningful...
But to answer your question, CKent, yes, you can still be whatever you want if you were to know Him. But you will chose not to be those things... The Lord is the Lord to those for whom He's paid the ransom for - and I know He owns me - in a more relevant way than even you owning a pen or a stapler. I need to answer only to Him, not to the worldly. I may sound intolerant because I realize the world is filled with fools, many of them professing to be believers but only spread deceit.
The worldly answer to their own idolotries, ungrounded, twisted and self-justified sense of morality, and personal ambitions. They don't yet realize they can't take it with them...
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: JackBurton
I have as much evidence for Zeus as you have for your God. Which is none.Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Even if God did come down from heaven people would still refuse to believe in him. God could raise people from the dead, heal the sick, and conquer death in front of the entire world, and many would still reject salvation because of hardened, prideful hearts.
Quite the contrary. I would LOVE to see Zeus come down from the clouds and appear infront of the world. I'd be laughing my ass off at the expression on all the Christians' faces. LOL, man, that would be great! And let me tell you, me being wrong would never have felt so good.
Unless you truly believe in zeus as your god, that comment is entirely vacuous and makes no sense. I'd love to ask just what your evidence is for zeus as your god, but I realize it will only escalate a pointless debate as it will not lead to faith. Only the Spirit, through repentance, brokeness and humility can do that.
I do pray that one day you will see how your attitude has been a perfect example of the hardness RapidSnail refers to.
But I will also pray to Zeus for you, so that one day you will realize he is the king of all gods.
As long as you're proud of yourself for being cute or witty with your remarks you will never know God...
If I know him can I be smug, condescending and intolerant like you?
Smug, condescending and intolerant isn't just allowed, it's mandatory. That's the key to religion. You can't just believe in the cute little fairy tales, you need to be rabid about them.
I suppose the smugness of JackBurton's previous comment would necessarily have to be ignored for your generalization to be meaningful...
But to answer your question, CKent, yes, you can still be whatever you want if you were to know Him. But you will chose not to be those things... The Lord is the Lord to those for whom He's paid the ransom for - and I know He owns me - in a more relevant way than even you owning a pen or a stapler. I need to answer only to Him, not to the worldly. I may sound intolerant because I realize the world is filled with fools, many of them professing to be believers but only spread deceit.
The worldly answer to their own idolotries, ungrounded, twisted and self-justified sense of morality, and personal ambitions. They don't yet realize they can't take it with them...
You sound like you belong in an asylum to be honest. And you could be saying the same thing aobut atheism, it wouldn't matter.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, ?I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.?[f] 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, ?For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.?[g] 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, ?Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?? 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, ?Why have you made me like this?? 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Even if God did come down from heaven people would still refuse to believe in him. God could raise people from the dead, heal the sick, and conquer death in front of the entire world, and many would still reject salvation because of hardened, prideful hearts.
Quite the contrary. I would LOVE to see Zeus come down from the clouds and appear infront of the world. I'd be laughing my ass off at the expression on all the Christians' faces. LOL, man, that would be great! And let me tell you, me being wrong would never have felt so good.
Zeus (or Deus, same thing, Zeus is the anglicized form of the Greek word that means "God") is the Christian God. The first Christians were Greeks, and they called him Zeus (or Deus, same thing). The word Jesus is derived from Yah-Zeus, which literally meant "Jew God." Latin languages, like Spanish, French, Italian, etc. still call God "Zeus," but in derived forms like Dios, Dieu, Dio, (and even Deus in Portuguese), etc. It's also the etymology of the English word "deity." The English word "God" is derived from Woden, the Norse God. Thanks for playing though.
The Christian God has mutated itself from one form to another for centuries. However, Zeus and the folklore behind him is completely different than modern day Christian belief. So sure, if modern day Christians are happy with Zeus coming down, I'll be happy too. But let me tell you, that won't be what they're expecting. And that is when hilarity will ensue.
Thanks for playing.
Originally posted by: busmaster11
No. Please stop putting your foot in your mouth. You said JESUS meant Jew God. Now explain it.
Christianity is not a greek religion. Its revolves around a JEW who was the Son of God. After He left the earth, the Great Commission began to be fulfilled by people such as Luke, Peter, Paul, Timothy, etc. Paul preached to the Jews first, for whom as a Pharisee would be natural. They were hardened so he went to the gentiles, including Romans and Greeks, but not exclusively them.
The divinity of Jesus was documently in dozens of gospels written at most, a few decades after his birth. Four of which, believers know are divinely inspired.
Its sad how one can be so enthralled with gnosticism and obscure works and completely deny the sheer volume of manuscript supporting everything from His miracles to his resurrection though so many eye witness accounts. But this only goes to prove my point. no facts or evidence or miracles or anything seen withthe eyes of unbelievers can bring about faith. Faith to believe comes from God - and begins with repentance, brokeness and humility.
I didn't say it because you have religious beliefs - many fine people have religious beliefs, including a good friend of mine who's a very devout Catholic. I said it because you sound like an utter nutcase.Originally posted by: busmaster11
I do indeed realize I do sound like it to you. And though it may not be much of an endeavor for you, you will also have to categorize all true believers as such as well:
Romans 9:14-24
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, ?I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.?[f] 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, ?For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.?[g] 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, ?Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?? 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, ?Why have you made me like this?? 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: busmaster11
No. Please stop putting your foot in your mouth. You said JESUS meant Jew God. Now explain it.
Christianity is not a greek religion. Its revolves around a JEW who was the Son of God. After He left the earth, the Great Commission began to be fulfilled by people such as Luke, Peter, Paul, Timothy, etc. Paul preached to the Jews first, for whom as a Pharisee would be natural. They were hardened so he went to the gentiles, including Romans and Greeks, but not exclusively them.
The divinity of Jesus was documently in dozens of gospels written at most, a few decades after his birth. Four of which, believers know are divinely inspired.
Its sad how one can be so enthralled with gnosticism and obscure works and completely deny the sheer volume of manuscript supporting everything from His miracles to his resurrection though so many eye witness accounts. But this only goes to prove my point. no facts or evidence or miracles or anything seen withthe eyes of unbelievers can bring about faith. Faith to believe comes from God - and begins with repentance, brokeness and humility.
Christianity is a Greek religion. The New Testament was originally written in Greek. There are no known Gospels or Epistles that were originally written in Hebrew or Aramaic.
Look at the Pauline Epistles written to the first churches: Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Phillipi, Colossae, and Thessalonica are all Greek cities (in Greece, Macedonia, or Asia Minor). The congregations spoke Greek. They were Gnostics. And let's not even go into the Johannine works -- that's pure unadulterated gnosticism.
Sorry, man, this is your faith. You should learn more about it. It was until 325 that the Catholic church deified Jesus.
And I don't see why you should be so offended. If you have so much faith, then you shouldn't need the book.
Originally posted by: CKent
I didn't say it because you have religious beliefs - many fine people have religious beliefs, including a good friend of mine who's a very devout Catholic. I said it because you sound like an utter nutcase.Originally posted by: busmaster11
I do indeed realize I do sound like it to you. And though it may not be much of an endeavor for you, you will also have to categorize all true believers as such as well:
Romans 9:14-24
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, ?I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.?[f] 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, ?For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.?[g] 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, ?Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?? 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, ?Why have you made me like this?? 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Quite the contrary, I agree completely. That's why atheists are always proselytizing.Originally posted by: CKent
Then misery must cause proselytization. Though I doubt you'd agree.
Originally posted by: Vic
Quite the contrary, I agree completely. That's why atheists are always proselytizing.Originally posted by: CKent
Then misery must cause proselytization. Though I doubt you'd agree.
Who's the bigger nutcase? The devoutly theistic or the rabidly atheistic? I'm not sure, especially when beliefs are based off ignorance.
Sigh...Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: busmaster11
No. Please stop putting your foot in your mouth. You said JESUS meant Jew God. Now explain it.
Christianity is not a greek religion. Its revolves around a JEW who was the Son of God. After He left the earth, the Great Commission began to be fulfilled by people such as Luke, Peter, Paul, Timothy, etc. Paul preached to the Jews first, for whom as a Pharisee would be natural. They were hardened so he went to the gentiles, including Romans and Greeks, but not exclusively them.
The divinity of Jesus was documently in dozens of gospels written at most, a few decades after his birth. Four of which, believers know are divinely inspired.
Its sad how one can be so enthralled with gnosticism and obscure works and completely deny the sheer volume of manuscript supporting everything from His miracles to his resurrection though so many eye witness accounts. But this only goes to prove my point. no facts or evidence or miracles or anything seen withthe eyes of unbelievers can bring about faith. Faith to believe comes from God - and begins with repentance, brokeness and humility.
Christianity is a Greek religion. The New Testament was originally written in Greek. There are no known Gospels or Epistles that were originally written in Hebrew or Aramaic.
Look at the Pauline Epistles written to the first churches: Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Phillipi, Colossae, and Thessalonica are all Greek cities (in Greece, Macedonia, or Asia Minor). The congregations spoke Greek. They were Gnostics. And let's not even go into the Johannine works -- that's pure unadulterated gnosticism.
Sorry, man, this is your faith. You should learn more about it. It was until 325 that the Catholic church deified Jesus.
And I don't see why you should be so offended. If you have so much faith, then you shouldn't need the book.
Are you debating anything I've said, if not, you're just splitting hairs. That, and subtly abandoning your point which I questioned about the name Jesus.
Each of the four Gospels specifically testifies to Jesus's divinity. Each were written WELL before 325 and probably before 70 AD.
So tell me how Jesus was diefied in 325. Or, tell me just which point you disagree on.
Plus, if you think Christian faith is a blind faith independent of the Word, that would be a grave misconception.
Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: CKent
I didn't say it because you have religious beliefs - many fine people have religious beliefs, including a good friend of mine who's a very devout Catholic. I said it because you sound like an utter nutcase.Originally posted by: busmaster11
I do indeed realize I do sound like it to you. And though it may not be much of an endeavor for you, you will also have to categorize all true believers as such as well:
Romans 9:14-24
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, ?I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.?[f] 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, ?For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.?[g] 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, ?Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?? 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, ?Why have you made me like this?? 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
So you mean to tell me that you respect or think sane only those religious people who are not so zealous or bold in their faith to reconcile and defend passages such as the above? That they don't place their devotion to God as primary in their lives and chose instead to compromise so they can make peace in the world?
Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: CKent
I didn't say it because you have religious beliefs - many fine people have religious beliefs, including a good friend of mine who's a very devout Catholic. I said it because you sound like an utter nutcase.Originally posted by: busmaster11
I do indeed realize I do sound like it to you. And though it may not be much of an endeavor for you, you will also have to categorize all true believers as such as well:
Romans 9:14-24
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, ?I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.?[f] 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, ?For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.?[g] 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, ?Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?? 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, ?Why have you made me like this?? 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
So you mean to tell me that you respect or think sane only those religious people who are not so zealous or bold in their faith to reconcile and defend passages such as the above? That they don't place their devotion to God as primary in their lives and chose instead to compromise so they can make peace in the world?
Originally posted by: Vic
Quite the contrary, I agree completely. That's why atheists are always proselytizing.Originally posted by: CKent
Then misery must cause proselytization. Though I doubt you'd agree.
Who's the bigger nutcase? The devoutly theistic or the rabidly atheistic? I'm not sure, especially when beliefs are based off ignorance.
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: Vic
Quite the contrary, I agree completely. That's why atheists are always proselytizing.Originally posted by: CKent
Then misery must cause proselytization. Though I doubt you'd agree.
Who's the bigger nutcase? The devoutly theistic or the rabidly atheistic? I'm not sure, especially when beliefs are based off ignorance.
Well said!! Atheist views are based on science, fact and logic. Religious views are based on superstition, fear and ignorance.
Wow, aren't you the fscking asshole? :roll: :|Originally posted by: CKent
Originally posted by: Vic
Quite the contrary, I agree completely. That's why atheists are always proselytizing.Originally posted by: CKent
Then misery must cause proselytization. Though I doubt you'd agree.
Who's the bigger nutcase? The devoutly theistic or the rabidly atheistic? I'm not sure, especially when beliefs are based off ignorance.
Yeah, and black people are always committing crimes too, isn't that right Vic? Hell if you're going to stereotype, go the whole 9 yards why don't you?
I'm referring to this thread specifically, which is an attempt by a believer to proselytize.