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Nothinman

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It is horribly buggy which makes sense due to it being a bunch of pieces put together with bubble gum and Elmer's glue.

That right there proves that you've never used it for any real amount of time.

The file hierarchy is a nightmare to use and I dislike having to install almost everything with a package manager.

99% of the file hierarchy makes actual sense, unlike Windows with it's 64-bit stuff in system32. However, most people never really see it anyway, all you normally worry about is your home directory anyway.

And having everything int a package manager is 100x easier than installing everything by hand in piecemeal fashion. And since the package manager handles everything, everything gets updated in one central location. I can't even fathom how one could argue against it.

It is so frustrating that all the advancements in Linux result in another distribution instead of improving one OS.

The number of distributions is kind of annoying, however most of them are just different themes and the default set of packages. The real work done on the kernel, Gnome, KDE, libc, etc are all centralized with their respective projects.

But the ability to take and fork all of the software is a huge plus and it lets the people who want to do odd things like Gentoo go off and do their own thing while the rest of us stick with Debian, Ubuntu or Fedora.

MenuetOS is an Operating System in development for the PC written entirely in 32/64 bit assembly language.

When a TCP/IP stack is listed as a feature, you know it's a complete and utter waste of time. You'd be better off running that BeOS thing Haiku or ReactOS.
 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: lxskllr
I agree in general to your first point, but I think you can select bitrates via dropdown box, I'd have to look.

2nd point is personal taste. I love the way Vista looks and feels, Win7 a bit less so. I also love the Gnome desktop, especially with Compiz running. I think it compares very favorably to Windows and OSX. The layout's logical, and with advanced effects on, it makes the other 2 look a little dowdy in comparison.

My last memory of both Amarok and Rythmbox both still required a change in the string to change the bitrate for mp3's. I don't have a Linux box close by right now so I can't check it. It was an example but is representative of some small issues that you find on both DE's.

I am opposite on Vista vs Win 7 as are most people that have tried both. Win7 is very close to OSX in polish that even Vista lacked. The problem with Compiz is that YMMV depending on which company is providing the graphics output. Aero seems to work similar on recent Intel, AMD and Nvidia video chipsets.

Compiz is also still in a beta state, even today and is not as smooth (On Nvidia using AIGLX instead of XGL) plus it is choppy at times and has a lot of tearing. Then add that it has too many plugins and options that are lets say pretty but useless from a end user standpoint. Aero compliments the usability of Windows but Compiz can get in the way of usability. I do think Ubuntu has the right balance on what they allow by default on Compiz.

I think the layout of Win 7 is much simpler, easier to navigate and is much more logical that both Gnome or KDE. As you said this may be personal preference but this is a windows centric world so for most people Gnome does not make logical sense. (As evidenced by the fact not one person I tried to switch has stuck with Gnome or Linux.)

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Even a well configured Windows system will cause some people issues because certain things are not easy for them to do.

Yes except I am talking basics here like multimedia issues and issues with hardware (I have a Zune for example) that Windows does not have. This is a deal killer for average folks. They do not want to have to hack something to get their hardware to work or be told to buy new hardware.


Originally posted by: Nothinman

Using which ripping tool? If you're just using the plugins for Nautilus/Konq I can see why it might be difficult to change the bitrate.

Amarok or Rythmbox now allow you to change form ogg to mp3 but the bitrate is still determined by a string. I believe the default is variable but some like me want standard 320.


Originally posted by: Nothinman

Polish? Windows still has places with 16-bit icons mixed with 32-bit ones, SysWoW64 has 32-bit stuff, System32 has 64-bit stuffin it, the Documents and Settings link/junction only works for some things, their own patches don't respect temp directory variables and just put their tmp stuff in the root of the drive with the most free space and I'm sure a whole lot more. MS is like the world leader in unpolished software.

Gnome still uses a windows 95 type look and is way behind in how fonts look on the desktop. KDE has addressed this with KDE 4 but Gnome will not completely address this until Gnome 3 is finalized. Windows just looks more polished out of the box than Gnome so it doesn't really matter that some technical details you posted may actually be better in Gnome because at the end of the day polish is about how the software looks and functions and in most cases Windows has Linux beat in this department and OSX has all of them beat.

Originally posted by: Mem

I guess it depends what you mean by polish ,distros like Ubuntu,Kubuntu,PCLinux etc have easy learning curve IMHO, the software/update download package managers make it quite easy to install/uninstall stuff for the beginner etc.....and even Win7 has nowhere near the minimum hardware specs of a Linux Distro,throw in bloat Windows seems to have compared to Linux and its superior security IMHO ie resistance to malware etc...no contest unless you are a gamer.

When you think how far Linux Distro's have come over the years and all free ,its actually quite amazing IMHO.

Btw you got to love Live CD for Linux distro's.

Mem, we are talking apples and oranges here. Most people buy Windows and OSX already installed and configured out of the box. Most Linux users install the OS themselves and even those distros still require you to get your hands dirty to get them to the same level of usability as Windows out of the box.

One mans bloat is another mans feature so that is not what I am talking about when I mention polish. I am talking about the look and feel of the default systems and Windows still has those easy distros beat in that department.

Package managers are nice and Windows could definitely use one just to keep flash and other third party security nightmares up to date. But this is a windows world and most people are used to the Windows way of doing things so a package manager is not enough for average peopleto make a switch. And low specs only matter to geeks who recycle old PC's. The fact is that Windows runs just fine on todays low end hardware so this is not important to average folks who change OSes when they buy a new PC.

Linux having better security is debatable unless you consider security by obscurity. Even Hackers like Charlie Miller will tell you Windows boxes since Vista are the hardest to hack.

I agree on the how far comment. It is amazing how far behind Linux was a few years ago and how far they have come with most distros. Ubuntu has forced all distros to improve in this area.

Yes, live cd's are wonderful. I just used a Ubuntu live cd to rescue a friends data off a borked Vista pc. Took me all of 15 minutes to do too.
 

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Originally posted by: soonerproud


Mem, we are talking apples and oranges here. Most people buy Windows and OSX already installed and configured out of the box. Most Linux users install the OS themselves and even those distros still require you to get your hands dirty to get them to the same level of usability as Windows out of the box.

One mans bloat is another mans feature so that is not what I am talking about when I mention polish. I am talking about the look and feel of the default systems and Windows still has those easy distros beat in that department.

Package managers are nice and Windows could definitely use one just to keep flash and other third party security nightmares up to date. But this is a windows world and most people are used to the Windows way of doing things so a package manager is not enough for average peopleto make a switch. And low specs only matter to geeks who recycle old PC's. The fact is that Windows runs just fine on todays low end hardware so this is not important to average folks who change OSes when they buy a new PC.

Linux having better security is debatable unless you consider security by obscurity. Even Hackers like Charlie Miller will tell you Windows boxes since Vista are the hardest to hack.

I agree on the how far comment. It is amazing how far behind Linux was a few years ago and how far they have come with most distros. Ubuntu has forced all distros to improve in this area.

Yes, live cd's are wonderful. I just used a Ubuntu live cd to rescue a friends data off a borked Vista pc. Took me all of 15 minutes to do too.







I consider myself a fairly new inexperienced Linux user compared to my experience with Windows and to be honest was very impressed on how easy it was,as to out of the box installation well would you believe all the Linux Distro's I tried had no problems having a default wireless driver for my Belkin NIC ,ironically Win7 could not find a driver for it during and even after installation and yes Linux had every driver installed for my hardware so I would have to give ease of installation to Linux rather then Win7.


I'll agree you can say its apple and oranges here but when you look at what you get for free its amazing,yes a lot users don't like change,sure you can argue its a Windows world but Linux is slowly moving in the right direction.....You are right in some respects that most Windows users like things very simple ,I still know a lot of people that don't know how to install a Windows OS or simple driver update but then that's not really the operating systems fault but rather the typical knowledge/skills of the general user.

I know what you mean about polish but then Windows is always being polished just like Linux .











 

WaitingForNehalem

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
I could never use Linux as my main OS. It is horribly buggy which makes sense due to it being a bunch of pieces put together with bubble gum and Elmer's glue. The file hierarchy is a nightmare to use and I dislike having to install almost everything with a package manager. Hey you want to update and install programs? Too bad. Sure you can use a .deb's but they don't always work and are incompatible with every other distribution. It is so frustrating that all the advancements in Linux result in another distribution instead of improving one OS. Take a look at MenuetOS and its fork that uses under 10mb RAM, KolibriOS.

I hope this is a troll post otherwise get on your flame suit.

It isn't a troll post. I love Linux and am amazed at how far it has come. I fully appreciate having a free OS that is usable but it has many problems that are keeping it from progressing.

That right there proves that you've never used it for any real amount of time.

I installed and configured a properly working LAMP server using CLI only. I've been using Linux for a couple of years now and still look at the progress that has been made and regulary test out distros. I don't understand how you couldn't agree that a Linux distribution is a bunch a pieces glued to the kernel? By doing that certain pieces and as a result the functionality of the OS get ruined. For example, at a point during Ubuntu 8.04, Network Manager wouldn't let you use a static IP. I tried it on Ubuntu and Fedora and since the version of Network Manager was the same, it refused to work on both. When 8.10 came out, it worked fine. Now you're probably saying just disable Network Manager and do it via command line which I did but I shouldn't have had to.

99% of the file hierarchy makes actual sense, unlike Windows with it's 64-bit stuff in system32. However, most people never really see it anyway, all you normally worry about is your home directory anyway. And having everything int a package manager is 100x easier than installing everything by hand in piecemeal fashion. And since the package manager handles everything, everything gets updated in one central location. I can't even fathom how one could argue against it.

Yeah, an entire OS relying on a package manager to do everything is a great idea (sarcasm). When SimDock became a broken package and neither Synaptic or CLI couldn't fix it I had to reinstall Ubuntu. Now that was ~2 years ago and I haven't had a broken package break the OS again but it is something that could easily happen again.

When a TCP/IP stack is listed as a feature, you know it's a complete and utter waste of time. You'd be better off running that BeOS thing Haiku or ReactOS.

Well, I wouldn't use it as a main OS but it is certainly an interesting, free OS that has no UNIX roots and was completely written from scratch.
 

Nothinman

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My last memory of both Amarok and Rythmbox both still required a change in the string to change the bitrate for mp3's. I don't have a Linux box close by right now so I can't check it. It was an example but is representative of some small issues that you find on both DE's.

I can't confirm or deny it since I usually used something just for ripping like GRIP. And those small issues are non-issues for most people. 128kbps or 192kbps, whichever it defaults to, is good enough for most people and those that care should be using something lossless like flac anyway.

The problem with Compiz is that YMMV depending on which company is providing the graphics output. Aero seems to work similar on recent Intel, AMD and Nvidia video chipsets.

Compiz just requires OpenGL support via GLX I believe, so as long as the drivers don't suck it's fine. And I can't say I've had many problems with the nVidia drivers over the years.

Compiz is also still in a beta state, even today and is not as smooth (On Nvidia using AIGLX instead of XGL) plus it is choppy at times and has a lot of tearing. Then add that it has too many plugins and options that are lets say pretty but useless from a end user standpoint. Aero compliments the usability of Windows but Compiz can get in the way of usability. I do think Ubuntu has the right balance on what they allow by default on Compiz.

Compiz was largely a demo so it makes sense that lots of the plugings are all flash and little substance. Besides the glass toolbars, which are useless, and alt+tab thumbnails what else does Aero get you?

I think the layout of Win 7 is much simpler, easier to navigate and is much more logical that both Gnome or KDE. As you said this may be personal preference but this is a windows centric world so for most people Gnome does not make logical sense. (As evidenced by the fact not one person I tried to switch has stuck with Gnome or Linux.)

Having a Documents and Settings link that looks like a directory but you can't browse to it because it's really a junction makes sense to you? Having all of your 64-bit system files in windows\system32 makes sense to you? Or did they fix all of the stuff I mentioned because I was looking at a 2008 server, not Win7.

Gnome still uses a windows 95 type look and is way behind in how fonts look on the desktop. KDE has addressed this with KDE 4 but Gnome will not completely address this until Gnome 3 is finalized. Windows just looks more polished out of the box than Gnome so it doesn't really matter that some technical details you posted may actually be better in Gnome because at the end of the day polish is about how the software looks and functions and in most cases Windows has Linux beat in this department and OSX has all of them beat.

Gnome looks nothing like win95. The font smoothing in Gnome and KDE is much better than the blurry crap that Windows does.

Polish is getting the little things right and MS obviously fails at that. They still ship icons that are like 10 years old, hell they still had winfile shipping until Vista. You're just apologizing for MS being sloppy and saying it's polished because the stuff you use/see is what you're used to and like.

Everytime I have to use OS I just get annoyed. If you don't want to do something the Apple way you're pretty much screwed.

And low specs only matter to geeks who recycle old PC's.

Or to people buying netbooks. Does anyone try to sell Win7 netbooks or are they still just XP on the Windows side?

I don't understand how you couldn't agree that a Linux distribution is a bunch a pieces glued to the kernel?

It definitely is, I disagree with the "horribly buggy" comment. The only thing that causes me problems is flash and wouldn't ya know, it's closed source.

I installed and configured a properly working LAMP server using CLI only.

These days that's not terribly impressive because there's bundles to do it for you, I believe Ubuntu server asks you during installation, and the packages included with Ubuntu work just fine out of the box. After that all you really do is put your PHP up there, maybe create a database for it and go.

For example, at a point during Ubuntu 8.04, Network Manager wouldn't let you use a static IP. I tried it on Ubuntu and Fedora and since the version of Network Manager was the same, it refused to work on both. When 8.10 came out, it worked fine. Now you're probably saying just disable Network Manager and do it via command line which I did but I shouldn't have had to.

I might recommend doing it via the cli because IMO editing /etc/network/interfaces it simpler. However, that's a bug in Network Manager and is competely unrelated to the fact that it's not maintained with the kernel.

Yeah, an entire OS relying on a package manager to do everything is a great idea (sarcasm).

It actually is and I really hope MS is moving that way with MSI and their server core installs. Right now, because there isn't real package management on Windows, you can't convert a server core install to a full install and are just stuck reinstalling.

When SimDock became a broken package and neither Synaptic or CLI couldn't fix it I had to reinstall Ubuntu. Now that was ~2 years ago and I haven't had a broken package break the OS again but it is something that could easily happen again.

I've never had a package break the system bad enough to warrant a reinstall. And it's safer than the registry in Windows, if that gets corrupted the system just BSODs. At least my Linux system will boot even if the package manager's busted. But in both Windows and Linux you're at the mercy of the quality of the package/installer since you're running them with admin rights.

Well, I wouldn't use it as a main OS but it is certainly an interesting, free OS that has no UNIX roots and was completely written from scratch.

As was BeOS and you saw where that got them. At least ReactOS has a real target market in Windows users.
 

WaitingForNehalem

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I installed and configured a properly working LAMP server using CLI only.


These days that's not terribly impressive because there's bundles to do it for you, I believe Ubuntu server asks you during installation, and the packages included with Ubuntu work just fine out of the box. After that all you really do is put your PHP up there, maybe create a database for it and go.

Yeah but it was a mail server using Dovecot and Postfix. Point is, I have experience with Linux.
 

Nothinman

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Yeah but it was a mail server using Dovecot and Postfix. Point is, I have experience with Linux.

I can't believe anyone that actually likes Linux wouldn't like the package management. It's the main thing setting it apart from the likes of FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc.
 

soonerproud

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I can't confirm or deny it since I usually used something just for ripping like GRIP. And those small issues are non-issues for most people. 128kbps or 192kbps, whichever it defaults to, is good enough for most people and those that care should be using something lossless like flac anyway.

The default is variable, but I have enough drive space for standard 320 mp3's and flac is not supported by many media players (including wmp) so I just don't bother with it.

Like I said, it is an example but there are a lot of little things like this that ruin it for people.

Compiz just requires OpenGL support via GLX I believe, so as long as the drivers don't suck it's fine. And I can't say I've had many problems with the nVidia drivers over the years.

Xserver now includes AIGLX which provides OpenGL support out of the box for Compiz. OpenSuse users will notice that Compiz is much smoother than Ubuntu when it comes to Nvidia cards because Novell uses XGL in place of AIGLX. You also notice how choppy and buggy AIGLX and Nvidia is when you have a PC with Aero and a PC with Compiz side by side. Windows will always win in this area becase Xserver does not properly support refresh rates when using Nvidia drivers. (You have to adjust this stuff in the Nvidia control panel and you haveto tweak Compiz settings to improve it.)

I never had problems with Nvidia drivers until xserver broke proper driver support for refresh rates using AIGLX.

Compiz was largely a demo so it makes sense that lots of the plugings are all flash and little substance. Besides the glass toolbars, which are useless, and alt+tab thumbnails what else does Aero get you?

Seriously, if you have to ask this question, you need to try Windows 7 to really see what I mean. Aero Peek, Aero Shake, jump list, media player controls on taskbar thumbnails, various mouse gestures for resizing windows to half screen and full screen. There are more but all of these are immensely useful.

Having a Documents and Settings link that looks like a directory but you can't browse to it because it's really a junction makes sense to you? Having all of your 64-bit system files in windows\system32 makes sense to you? Or did they fix all of the stuff I mentioned because I was looking at a 2008 server, not Win7.

You can browse to it under C drive, users and user name. Nothing hard about browsing to it but that doesn't matter since your documents link gets you there faster. The second part is not a end user issue but a developer issue. The average joe doesn't care.

Gnome looks nothing like win95. The font smoothing in Gnome and KDE is much better than the blurry crap that Windows does.

Polish is getting the little things right and MS obviously fails at that. They still ship icons that are like 10 years old, hell they still had winfile shipping until Vista. You're just apologizing for MS being sloppy and saying it's polished because the stuff you use/see is what you're used to and like.

Everytime I have to use OS I just get annoyed. If you don't want to do something the Apple way you're pretty much screwed.

In some ways it still does. Why is it if font rendering is so much better in both DE's that the first thing people want is fonts to look the way they do in Windows? Obviously this is a problem but you can ignore it if you want.

Funny thing is reviewers of Windows 7 are saying the exact opposite about polish and many are saying the polish is much like OSX. You keep mentioning developer issues but regular people don't care about that stuff.

I agree on OSX but regular people that try it love it.

Or to people buying netbooks. Does anyone try to sell Win7 netbooks or are they still just XP on the Windows side?

Win 7 was specifically made to run on low end XP netbooks. Since a gig of memory is standard on today's netbooks, Win 7 will work great on them. You need to try Win 7 to see what I am talking about.

Win 7 is not available to the general public for another month but during testing it ran great on low end netbooks.
 

Nothinman

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The default is variable, but I have enough drive space for standard 320 mp3's and flac is not supported by many media players (including wmp) so I just don't bother with it.

I thought WMP would play anything that there was a codec installed for.

Like I said, it is an example but there are a lot of little things like this that ruin it for people.

The amount of googeling, installing 3rd party apps, etc required with Windows ruins for me more than having to change a setting in an already installed app.

Seriously, if you have to ask this question, you need to try Windows 7 to really see what I mean. Aero Peek, Aero Shake, jump list, media player controls on taskbar thumbnails, various mouse gestures for resizing windows to half screen and full screen. There are more but all of these are immensely useful.

I looked at it in a VM for a few minutes, but I'm not going to actually install it on my machine. That would require way too much work because of the way the disks are setup. I may upgrade my work laptop it eventually though.

You can browse to it under C drive, users and user name. Nothing hard about browsing to it but that doesn't matter since your documents link gets you there faster. The second part is not a end user issue but a developer issue. The average joe doesn't care.

I know where it is, but it's been Documents and Settings forever so that's what they're used to and MS even included a link for backwards compatibility that only works in certain places.

In some ways it still does. Why is it if font rendering is so much better in both DE's that the first thing people want is fonts to look the way they do in Windows? Obviously this is a problem but you can ignore it if you want.

I'm not ignoring it, I've looked at the hinting in Gnome and the ClearType in Windows and the latter always looked too blurry.

Funny thing is reviewers of Windows 7 are saying the exact opposite about polish and many are saying the polish is much like OSX. You keep mentioning developer issues but regular people don't care about that stuff.

You can call it developer stuff if you want but they're real issues and most of them are just plain dumb. Most of the UI complaints would just be reiterating the old Vista complaints about MS moving stuff around for no good reason.
 

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Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Even a well configured Windows system will cause some people issues because certain things are not easy for them to do.

Yes except I am talking basics here like multimedia issues and issues with hardware (I have a Zune for example) that Windows does not have. This is a deal killer for average folks. They do not want to have to hack something to get their hardware to work or be told to buy new hardware.

I've had more multimedia/hardware problems on Windows than my OS of choice.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
Yeah but it was a mail server using Dovecot and Postfix. Point is, I have experience with Linux.

I can't believe anyone that actually likes Linux wouldn't like the package management. It's the main thing setting it apart from the likes of FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc.

Which both have package managers.
 

Nothinman

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Even a well configured Windows system will cause some people issues because certain things are not easy for them to do.

Yes except I am talking basics here like multimedia issues and issues with hardware (I have a Zune for example) that Windows does not have. This is a deal killer for average folks. They do not want to have to hack something to get their hardware to work or be told to buy new hardware.

I've had more multimedia/hardware problems on Windows than my OS of choice.

Same here. Windows comes with so few codecs out of the box and you don't want to waste time installing what you need one by one but you're never sure which codec packs are safe...

Which both have package managers.

True, however I'd still say that aptitude/dpkg and yum/rpm are better and have more features.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
Same here. Windows comes with so few codecs out of the box and you don't want to waste time installing what you need one by one but you're never sure which codec packs are safe...

But Vista is the most secure OS in the world!

True, however I'd still say that aptitude/dpkg and yum/rpm are better and have more features.

To each their own. I can't argue in favor of Free, Net, or Dragonfly. I don't have enough experience with those to be fair. OpenBSD's package management is quite impressive though.
 

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Originally posted by: pcslookout
Originally posted by: VinDSL
Just curious...

I tried Linux on the Desktop numerous times (since the 90's) but didn't care for it. It revolved around functionality.

That all changed a year or so ago...

I do use Windows, but I have to admit that Linux is my default OS.

Anyway, what would it take for YOU to switch to Linux?

Full gaming support, sadly that won't ever happen

Games are my killer app. I'd even pay equal money for a Linux distro which had games support equivalent to what Windows has.
 

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For me to use Linux as my sole OS it would need full blown gaming support that doesn't rape my FPS. That's it haha.
 

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7 can decode mp4 with ease and is much more codec friendly in general. You really don't have to mess with too much unless you're into rare formats that only a small subsection of the population on the internet uses to encode media or if you're encoding stuff yourself.
 

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- Gaming
- Visual Studio
- Ease of Use for daily tasks (ex. drivers for various pieces of hardware, easy to use iPod/Harmony remote software, etc.)

That said, even if Linux did all of this, I still wouldn't use it. I'm just used to Windows. I like it and I know how to do everything I want to do.
 

Nothinman

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That said, even if Linux did all of this, I still wouldn't use it. I'm just used to Windows. I like it and I know how to do everything I want to do.

At least you're honest about it.
 

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
That said, even if Linux did all of this, I still wouldn't use it. I'm just used to Windows. I like it and I know how to do everything I want to do.

At least you're honest about it.

I feel the same way. While I may someday tinker more with Linux, it would take a shutdown of MS and Windows to get me to go full Linux at this point. I'm just old and used to Windows.

<--- Runs to download a Linux distro to see what all the fuss is about! :laugh:
 

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Vista did it for me. I went Linux when I rebuilt my computer this summer, since Win2K won't use 4 cores, and WinXP Home would need a new license for a new motherboard.

Things that help:
- A Package Manager. It's like an app store, where all the apps are free, and you aren't restricted to them.
- Virtualization. I can run a virtual Win2K machine with one core, while doing other stuff with the other three
- Wine. I'm amazed sometimes what runs in Wine. Maybe it helps that I avoid paying for software like the plague.
The hardest thing to adjust to with Linux for me was finding new video editing software. Eventually I found that with the very latest Wine (1.1.x) things like VirtualDub and AviSynth all work almost perfectly.
- Cygwin. (Before I switched.) I had a lot of experience with Linux commands and programs outside of Linux. I've also dabbled in Linux/BSD for over 10 years, so I knew about things like the middle-mouse-button-copy-paste-trick.

Originally posted by: Firsttime
For me to use Linux as my sole OS it would need full blown gaming support that doesn't rape my FPS. That's it haha.
It was crucial to me that my favorite FPS (UT99) work in Linux. And it does, with a decent FPS even on the built-in Intel graphics. Obviously IANA hard-core gamer.

Wait, which FPS did you mean? TMA! (Too Many Acronyms!:Q)
 

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I used to just have it on my server and or embedded boxes, then started dual booting on my main machine, and now I don't think I have anything with windows on it.

Well, I've got a VM for some oddball HW I have ( a few chip programmers ), but I hardly use that now either.

I think it was the open source / absolute control bit that did it for me.
 

AtlantaBob

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Plain and simple: Polish.

As it stands now, Linux isn't nearly as polished as it's competitors, (either Windows 7 or OS X.), and there are still hardware issues that need to be worked out. Before you call me a fan boy, you should know that I'm running Linux on an at-home Atom-based server, and on an old Desktop at work. I use Windows 7 or XP on home/work provided laptops, and have a Mac Mini that I've recently been moving towards. Linux is great on servers. And it's usable on the desktop that I have at work. I've also used it to replace Vista on my parents' machines. But ultimately, Windows 7 (with Cygwin) or OS X provides a much better experience as a desktop operating system.

A couple of issues that I've run across with Linux:

On a laptop - there is still the damn disk head parking/unparking issue with every distro of Linux that I've come across. You can say it doesn't matter. You can say that there is a fix (although it doesn't seem to work on my hardware). But in the end, I won't deal with an OS that harms my hardware (N.B. this is something that only matters to laptop users).

Also re: laptops (in this case a Dell Vostro 1500) - it gets WAY too warm. The temperature readings under the latest stable version of Ubuntu are nearing 60 Celsius at idle. They're considerably lower in Windows. There needs to be some work done on this.

There are a lot of issues where things simply don't work - especially as it relates to hardware. I had to reinstall a number of different Intel graphics drivers under Ubuntu to get the output to a 24" Dell Monitor to work. And posts to ubuntuforums.com don't provide any help at all. (Feel free to search for posts on that site using my screen name -- as soon as you get past "simple" questions, no one is available to answer you queries.)

OpenOffice is still lacking. There are a million tiny things, ranging from fill down, to formatting tables in the word processor to perfect incompatibility with MS Office (especially the new .abcX formats). I'll be the first to admit that Microsoft has screwed up with Office (and if you want a list, I can give it to you, for both Windows and Mac versions) but OpenOffice isn't nearly as clean as the new Office 2007 is (and that's saying something).

Finally, although it's not a deal-breaker for me, Ubuntu's default brown color scheme is just plain ugly. Sure, as an advanced user, I can change it. But first impressions count for a lot. And brown isn't a good first impression in the contemporary Western world.

So, I'll continue to use Linux as a sever operating system, and I'll be happy to use the Unix tools available under OS X. But in general, I think that Windows and OS X both provide superior experiences when I'm trying to deal with a GUI.
 

tdawg

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For me it's Adobe Lightroom. Also, I'm not sure if colorimeters work in Linux (never tried). Zune software is a secondary requirement. Oh, and mass support by wireless card makers to support linux. I've got a wireless card that is automatically configured in Ubuntu from the install, but in PCLinuxOS, it's not detected as compatible. That kind of headache is a hassle I don't want to deal with.
 
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