What would it take to create your own ISP?

SonicIce

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I've always wondered this. How hard could it be? Why do we even need ISP's?
 

Nebben

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I have a feeling that there are a lot of people who viewed this post, instantly wanted to post something to the effect of "OMG NEWb", and then realized they had no clue, either.
 

w0ss

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I worked for a small ISP(200 frame lines, 5000 dialup). Let me tell you it is not easy to be a small ISP.

To be an ISP for dialup customers only wouldn't be that hard. Get an old portmaster 3 and a PRI from someone the Portmaster can handle a PRI on one interface and an internet T1 on the other. You would not be able to make any money at that size though.
 

ScottMac

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Sonic:

The Internet is not a naturally occurring thing. It didn't spring out of the ground, it didn't fall from the sky, it wasn't created by random molecular adhesion, the was no "Big Bang" that created it. Not even the Great and Powerful AlGore could summon it from the ether by himself for the benefit of all mankind, no matter how hard he tried...

It was built: First by government agencies (and research facilities, schools doing government research ...) then commercial entities....including ISPs.

Where do you suppose all the connections come from? Who do the ISPs connect to?

Don't confuse the simplicity of home networking with the day-to-day management of the background infrastructure. "It's complicated." Trust me.

Beyond the actual nuts & bolts networking involved, there is a massive matrix of federal, state, and (possibly) local regulations that must be met. There are the contractual obligations to be met (home users and comercial SLAs). There are rules / regulations about how one provider can/must deal with other providers.

It's much more that just sharing some bandwidth you have laying around.

If you want to start gathering clues, start investigating the (relatively) simple infrastructure of the Telco (i.e., dialtone service).

Telephones are easy: all the wires in the country all end up at one (very secret) location, where they are twisted together and capped by the world's largest wire nuts. Really. Personally, I was shocked when they showed it to me.

I suppose the bottom line is that ISPs are required, carriers are required, infrastructure is required (and must be failrly shared). Being that the above are not naturally occurring, someone's got to do it.

And, regardless of how long the Great & Powerful AlGore stands on the mountaintop screaming at the heavens for devine network creation, he has yet to plug in his first backbone router and should be considered an unreliable source for Internet connectivity.

Good luck on your search for the Truth.

Scott
 

skyking

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Telephones are easy: all the wires in the country all end up at one (very secret) location, where they are twisted together and capped by the world's largest wire nuts. Really.
Personally, I was shocked when they showed it to me.
They showed you "THE NUT" and did not KILL you??

We're not worthy, we're not worthy, fall to the feet of the great SCOTTMAC, he has seen THE NUT and lived to tell about it!
 

ScottMac

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Well, you know, I work for the phone company .... someone's got to know about it.

I'm still looking over my shoulder though .... it's a great burden to bear.

It was just my fortunate circumstances to get a new manager that used to work at "cental" office. He's the one that gave me "The Tour."

He used to be responsible for applying the occasional tightening to the wire nuts. He got pretty good at it ... and from my experience, so far, I can say he's one of the best nut twisters in the business.

BTW: You don't have fall at my feet. A mere kissing of my ring and a monthly check for US$43.72 will suffice ....

How ya doin'?

Scott
 

skyking

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mere kissing of my ring and a monthly check for US$43.72 will suffice ....
do you take paypal?

Doing good. just got off the phone, one of my facilities got hit with 50+ mph winds, just got missed by tornado activity. Oh how I love UPS's and power conditioners
 

elevationzero

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BTW: You don't have fall at my feet. A mere kissing of my ring and a monthly check for US$43.72 will suffice ....


In keeping with standard internet humor, all payment requests must be made in canadien.
 

RedCOMET

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Originally posted by: elevationzero


BTW: You don't have fall at my feet. A mere kissing of my ring and a monthly check for US$43.72 will suffice ....


In keeping with standard internet humor, all payment requests must be made in canadien.

Just to help:
43.72 USD = 53.9243 CAD

 

cmetz

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SonicIce, to build and operate an ISP takes clues, and lots of them. Technical clues and business clues. Money is also necessary. Many large ISPs have more money than clues, which works for a while but eventually will catch up with them.

I've seen several basement ISP operations run by smart people that have prospered. It can be done. I've also seen major venture funded operations tank spectacularly, or worse, get bought by big companies and sunk slowly.

But don't think for a moment that this is a trivial thing to do. In particular, remember that somebody owns the wires (or fibers) and that somebody is critical to your ability to get anything done, and often times not friendly to you.
 

daniel49

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Originally posted by: skyking
Telephones are easy: all the wires in the country all end up at one (very secret) location, where they are twisted together and capped by the world's largest wire nuts. Really.
Personally, I was shocked when they showed it to me.
They showed you "THE NUT" and did not KILL you??

We're not worthy, we're not worthy, fall to the feet of the great SCOTTMAC, he has seen THE NUT and lived to tell about it!

may have twisted them to tight last time sounds like a few strands got broken
 

Budman

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Originally posted by: ScottMac
You don't have fall at my feet. A mere kissing of my ring and a monthly check for US$43.72 will suffice ....

How ya doin'?

Scott



I would send you the money right away but you dont have an email listed in your user profile.
 
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