Yeah you do. According to christians, everyone is evil by nature. You need the help of the "holy spirit" in order to make you good. That said, christians believe all people that do not have the holy spirit are evil.
btw, I'm evil
Originally posted by: Eli
You don't have to be religious to be a moral person with values.
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Eli
You don't have to be religious to be a moral person with values.
Yeah you do. According to christians, everyone is evil by nature. You need the help of the "holy spirit" in order to make you good. That said, christians believe all people that do not have the holy spirit are evil.
btw, I'm evil
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Eli
You don't have to be religious to be a moral person with values.
Yeah you do. According to christians, everyone is evil by nature. You need the help of the "holy spirit" in order to make you good. That said, christians believe all people that do not have the holy spirit are evil.
btw, I'm evil
It has nothing to do with being *evil* but good game thinking you are.
If you do not believe in God/Jesus according the the Christians, you are not saved. This is a big difference than evil. Animals are not saved either according to most Christians, however, I would be hard pressed to say little Fifi is a blood-curdling hell poodle....then again some in this bad a$$ mindset may think just that :roll:.
There are many religious people that are evil. Good and evil are religion independant. Some think they are above all laws, even those ordained by God and can do no wrong (for many decades kings thought this way as did the people they ruled even if with an iron fist).
The main problem with both religion and science is you have the most vocal which are also the most ignorant.
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
To be saved, from what? They are clearly saying to be saved from the evil nature of just being you, so you wouldn't go through eternal damnation in hell.
To the original topic... If God could give me the holy spirit, then I will believe. But God won't give me the holy spirit until I believe. So it's kinda impossible.
Dear Editor- I am 8 years old. Some of my little friends say there is no Great Cthulhu. Papa says, "If you see it on Alt.Horror.Cthulhu, it's so," Please tell me the truth, is there a Great Cthulhu who will rise from the watery depth of the Pacific to clear the Earth of all living things? ------Virgina Marsh
Virgina, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the fever of enlightenment given to them by a so-called "enlightened" age. They do not believe in anything unless it carries the weight of scientific authority. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. Reality is that which can be cataloged and measured, to be spooned out in rational doses to the common people. All minds, Virgina, whether they be adult's or children's, are little. In this vast chaos we laughingly call the universe, man is a mere insect, a bug, whose intellect has as much chance of grasping the whole truth, as an ant has of understanding non-Euclidian geometry.
Yes, Virgina, there is a Great Cthulhu. He exists as certainly as the cold unfeelingness of the cosmos exits, and you know that this meaninglessness abounds and gives to your life its highest absurdity. Alas! how comfortable would be the world if there were no Cthulhu! It would be as comforting as if a Santa Claus truly did care and reward children for doing good. There would be childlike faith then, a world of sweet believable poetry and romance to make existence idyllic and appealing. The external light with which childhood fills the world would never end.
Not believe in the Great Cthulhu! You might as well not believe in Hastur or the Necronomicon. You might get your papa's science books and Skeptical Inquirers to see if Cthulhu is mentioned in any historical contexts or if R'lyeh truly does rest under the Pacific Ocean, but even if you did not find either mentioned in your 'holy' books, what would that prove? Nobody sees or knows of Cthulhu, but that is no sign that there is no Great Cthulhu. The most real things in the world are those that we can not know through the senses. Can the headache of your friend be felt by you? No, but his pain affects your life regardless. Do you feel the angst of living a life you never wanted through any of your five senses? No, yet the despair remains. Yet if such realities are known but are never seen, then why should other's ignorance of the unseen lead us to share in their blindness. By what right have they earned your obedience? Nobody can conceive of the inconceivable, including your leaders of thought.
You tear apart the rattle of a baby to see what lies inside to make such noise, but the tiny balls there can not explain or illustrate the fear of a hostile world, that makes that baby clutch and shake that rattle so. Only reaching for insanity can push aside the curtain of our hopes and view with stark madness the emptiness that lies beyond. Is that reality? Is that the truth? To give an answer is to replace the curtain with but one more. And it is this, that makes the Great Cthulhu as true and as real as any veil we place on the chaos beyond. If one must create a meaning, why not the Great Cthulhu. At least the choice is free.
Thank Azathoth! The Great Cthulhu lives and lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virgina, nay 10 times 10,000 years from now, he will continue to await the time when the stars are right again. For with those which eternal lie, with strange eons even death may die.
(From Editorial Page, Arkham Advertiser, 1928)
---Steven Harris
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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Eli
You don't have to be religious to be a moral person with values.
Yeah you do. According to christians, everyone is evil by nature. You need the help of the "holy spirit" in order to make you good. That said, christians believe all people that do not have the holy spirit are evil.
btw, I'm evil
It has nothing to do with being *evil* but good game thinking you are.
If you do not believe in God/Jesus according the the Christians, you are not saved. This is a big difference than evil. Animals are not saved either according to most Christians, however, I would be hard pressed to say little Fifi is a blood-curdling hell poodle....then again some in this bad a$$ mindset may think just that :roll:.
There are many religious people that are evil. Good and evil are religion independant. Some think they are above all laws, even those ordained by God and can do no wrong (for many decades kings thought this way as did the people they ruled even if with an iron fist).
The main problem with both religion and science is you have the most vocal which are also the most ignorant.
To be saved, from what? They are clearly saying to be saved from the evil nature of just being you, so you wouldn't go through eternal damnation in hell.
To the original topic... If God could give me the holy spirit, then I will believe. But God won't give me the holy spirit until I believe. So it's kinda impossible.
Originally posted by: joeboatertx
Have any of you read the original version of the bible and made your own translation?
Originally posted by: ariafrost
Originally posted by: joeboatertx
Have any of you read the original version of the bible and made your own translation?
Ahh... I think he has a point there... some of the meaning of verses is lost of confused once it is translated from the original... if only we could all read Ancient Hebrew and Greek... then we might see more clearly the Word of God...
But as it is, we are faced constantly with a barrage of people who claim they are the next prophet (Such as that one infamous fellow that led the Branch Davidians), or that there is no God... that Science and Reason are king...
Tell me this then, all of you... why is it then that the more I study science, and the more I reason things out, the more I believe that God exists?! It is merely a logical conclusion - albeit a painful one...