*WhatEver* you do *Don't* buy a Sapphire! WithOUT *knowing* Their RMA Process costs $15

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
My three-plus-year-old Sapphire 9600 Pro Atlantis is still running like a champ. Considering some of the abuse it's been through.....I really can't believe that their products would have issues such as these. They don't make crap like they used too, I guess

A friend of mine had a Sapphire 9600 non-pro that died within a few months. He overclocked it to death, literally. Even so, I don't expect overclocking to kill a videocard.

I've heard enough bad stuff about Sapphire lately to avoid them as a manufacturer. They are the MSI of the videocard world!:Q

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: WoodButcher
Saphire or ATI Is trying to guarantee their product with your money. It is not morally correct but it is legal. FLAME THEM......
I'm a carpenter and see many such things. I'm now certified by a big company to install their basements and sunroom systems. They give a limited lifetime warranty. Bull.
They charge 3 times what these systems are worth so they can afford to replace the entire job and still clear a profit. When I am asked my opinion on these products 1 on 1, face to face, I will give an honest answer but god help me if I were to publicly mention their name! You get the idea,,,,

actually i am not 100% sure it IS legal ... especially in the case of Sapphire's RMA ... i didn't think these kind of fees could be legal if they are *hidden* when you buy their product.

and ...


Home depot?
:Q

they are getting major suits in Cali started for similar deceptive subcontracting practices, i believe ... at least there is an *investigation* afaik

Where does Sapphire state that you have to pay the $15 fee? I have a feeling that due to the "limited" warranty term, they can "limit" it in any way they want, including the $15 fee. I'm not a lawyer tho.

 

[450R]

Why's it say you have a Visiontek X1950Pro in your sig?

 

[futuristicmonkey]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
My three-plus-year-old Sapphire 9600 Pro Atlantis is still running like a champ. Considering some of the abuse it's been through.....I really can't believe that their products would have issues such as these. They don't make crap like they used too, I guess

A friend of mine had a Sapphire 9600 non-pro that died within a few months. He overclocked it to death, literally. Even so, I don't expect overclocking to kill a videocard.

I've heard enough bad stuff about Sapphire lately to avoid them as a manufacturer. They are the MSI of the videocard world!:Q

He should have payed for the Pro

But, damn, a lot of my components in my current main rig are pretty damned old/ put through their paces...the Asus P4P800-Deluxe (3+ years, king of the P4-478 boards, imho; son of a bitch is rock-solid), the WD1600JB (3+ years), aforementioned Sapphire, P4 3.0E @ 3.5, folding 100% since boxing day 2005, .....but this Enermax Noisetaker 420..though it is solid as a mofo and all-around a quality part, a recent brown/blackout took it out (the sole casualty, rma in process).

I think I'm going to break down and cry the day one of these components fails, haha. Guess I've had some good luck, compared to others.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
I think I'm going to break down and cry the day one of these components fails, haha. Guess I've had some good luck, compared to others.

I'm just amazed that you can still use the 9600...it's soooo outdated, and I can't picture it running any games that have come out in the past 2-3 years.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
I think I'm going to break down and cry the day one of these components fails, haha. Guess I've had some good luck, compared to others.

I'm just amazed that you can still use the 9600...it's soooo outdated, and I can't picture it running any games that have come out in the past 2-3 years.

Hey, I have an old Gigabyte 9600XT somewhere in my stash of parts...it can run FEAR, Q4 and Prey quite well at 800x600 medium/low details...as long as it is coupled with a fast P4 or A64...and a lot of ram...

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
My three-plus-year-old Sapphire 9600 Pro Atlantis is still running like a champ. Considering some of the abuse it's been through.....I really can't believe that their products would have issues such as these. They don't make crap like they used too, I guess

A friend of mine had a Sapphire 9600 non-pro that died within a few months. He overclocked it to death, literally. Even so, I don't expect overclocking to kill a videocard.

I've heard enough bad stuff about Sapphire lately to avoid them as a manufacturer. They are the MSI of the videocard world!:Q

why...MSI make crap video cards as well...just as bad as their mobo's

 

[gsellis]

nm - why waste time with fanboys.

Keep it up apoppin. A good consumer is one willing to fight for what is right. It is the way the free market protects itself.

 

[WoodButcher]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: WoodButcher
Saphire or ATI Is trying to guarantee their product with your money. It is not morally correct but it is legal. FLAME THEM......
I'm a carpenter and see many such things. I'm now certified by a big company to install their basements and sunroom systems. They give a limited lifetime warranty. Bull.
They charge 3 times what these systems are worth so they can afford to replace the entire job and still clear a profit. When I am asked my opinion on these products 1 on 1, face to face, I will give an honest answer but god help me if I were to publicly mention their name! You get the idea,,,,

actually i am not 100% sure it IS legal ... especially in the case of Sapphire's RMA ... i didn't think these kind of fees could be legal if they are *hidden* when you buy their product.

and ...


Home depot?
:Q
they are getting major suits in Cali started for similar deceptive subcontracting practices, i believe ... at least there is an *investigation* afaik

Not the depot, they suck but that is beside the point,
the big pink one
I stopped using the depot the day lowes opened across the street, I try to use the smaller local guys if at all possible even if it cost a couple of dollars more. I have several local credit accts and none of them tag me 18% if I carry a balance to next month. Call the depot because they shorted you on a lumber list and you might get that 2x4 next week if they can squeeze you in! The problem is in advertising, people see the depot and lowes on every channel and go there first when window shopping. People are hired at these stores and trained in sales, not plumbing, not elec, etc, etc. If your lucky, hit the store at the right time you may find someone with a little knowledge but think about it ,,,, If this sales person knew how to wire a house why is it he is working for 14 bux an hour at the depot????

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: 450R
Why's it say you have a Visiontek X1950Pro in your sig?

so people will read the thread carefully

my sig isn't updated to include my 7800GS OC either ...

. . . yet

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: 450R
Why's it say you have a Visiontek X1950Pro in your sig?

so people will read the thread carefully

my sig isn't updated to include my 7800GS OC either ...

. . . yet

In the defense of "people", it is 185 freaking posts long And a portion of that was fanboy noise. Guess it is time to brave the Rigs page.

edit - Counterpoint - we are obviously talking about 2 new cards, so it can be assumed that Rigs might be slightly out of date. And the bonus is that you don't have your entire rig as your sig.

Edit - edit - I call shens on your sig apoppin

 

[apoppin]

OK ... *updated*

find *something else* to pick on
:Q



*shens*
:shocked:

i DID "give Up"

and then just started over ...

:laugh:

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: apoppin
OK ... *updated*

find *something else* to pick on
:Q



*shens*
:shocked:

i DID "give Up"

and then just started over ...

:laugh:

What is *shens*?



BTW, minor nitpick: 4 x 256 = 1024

 

[sieistganzfett]

nullpointerus, you gotta check out urbandictionary.com since they list the slang kids are using today and explain it and where it came from. its the only way to read forums with FUD.

 

[amddude]

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: Zenoth
But personally I prefer PowerColor.

Me too.. I had a 9700pro and a 9800pro. Both were great cards and highly o/cable (beyond the median for the cards)

BTW I think it sucks to charge the customer for the whole process..It's not a matter of money it's a matter of customer service.. Sometimes it's the little things that make the difference..

+1 I rma'd an old 9700 to them and got a brand new one in retail packaging back

 

[futuristicmonkey]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
I think I'm going to break down and cry the day one of these components fails, haha. Guess I've had some good luck, compared to others.

I'm just amazed that you can still use the 9600...it's soooo outdated, and I can't picture it running any games that have come out in the past 2-3 years.

Coupled with the other components I mentioned..Half-Life 2 runs comfortable at 1152x864 (usually at least 30fps) and Doom3 runs good in med quality 1024x768. These are the only eye candy games I play, so my system is just what I need.

 

[judasmachine]

I'm kind of glad I went with ATi this time, but I guess I'll see how their customer service is if I ever need it. I've owned a R7500, and a R9500Pro both BBAti and now a R1950Pro [PCI-E], and never had a problem. I also own a Sapphire X800GTO [AGP]and have yet to have a problem with it.

 

[Roguestar]

Originally posted by: apoppin
OK ... *updated*

find *something else* to pick on
:Q



*shens*
:shocked:

i DID "give Up"

and then just started over ...

:laugh:

It's posts like that one that make you hard to take seriously. I appreciate the heads-up about the crappy service but "I'll ruin your internet reputation 4eva"-type noise makes you sounds like an irate 15 year old, to be honest. We all get bad service sometimes but you get a better response from both them and the people you complain to if you take it slowly and calmly instead of screaming bloody murder...

Originally posted by: nullpointerus
What is *shens*?

"Shenanigans", methinks?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Roguestar

Originally posted by: apoppin
OK ... *updated*

find *something else* to pick on
:Q



*shens*
:shocked:

i DID "give Up"

and then just started over ...

:laugh:

It's posts like that one that make you hard to take seriously. I appreciate the heads-up about the crappy service but "I'll ruin your internet reputation 4eva"-type noise makes you sounds like an irate 15 year old, to be honest. We all get bad service sometimes but you get a better response from both them and the people you complain to if you take it slowly and calmly instead of screaming bloody murder...

Originally posted by: nullpointerus
What is *shens*?

"Shenanigans", methinks?

correct on *Shens*


an who cares what you think --or takes your post seriously?


--evidently the *other posters* who complained "calmly" got no attention - anywhere.

--now *most* people in Video know about Sapphire's Scam

you don't like my methods? ... too bad
:roll:


no reply from ZZf or Sapphire yet

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: apoppin
no reply from ZZf or Sapphire yet

I wonder why... :roll:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: apoppin
no reply from ZZf or Sapphire yet

I wonder why... :roll:

because their Customer Service is poor?




i know NewEgg responds a hell of a lot better and almost ANY company is better than Sapphire's "service" ...

bear that in mind when you are considering ZZf or NewEgg ... and comparing a Sapphire card with any other of ATi's partners ....

you like bad service? ... go sapphire!

:roll:

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
My three-plus-year-old Sapphire 9600 Pro Atlantis is still running like a champ. Considering some of the abuse it's been through.....I really can't believe that their products would have issues such as these. They don't make crap like they used too, I guess

A friend of mine had a Sapphire 9600 non-pro that died within a few months. He overclocked it to death, literally. Even so, I don't expect overclocking to kill a videocard.

I've heard enough bad stuff about Sapphire lately to avoid them as a manufacturer. They are the MSI of the videocard world!:Q

why...MSI make crap video cards as well...just as bad as their mobo's

I have had nothing but goodness from my MSI Geforce 7800 GTX... Lowest cost one (OEM) and it ran like a charm, still does.

Edit** I suppose it would be helpful to say that I have never had a bad video card out of the 20+ I have owned... So, I dunno... For that matter I have only had one component fail on me out of the 10 computers I have built for myself personally and it was an Abit motherboard that lost the PS/2 Keyboard functionality. RMA'd it and it worked fine ever since. Just luck? Who knows, but I don't want that luck streak to end. As far as my place of employment, I believe we built thousands a year and the failure rate is really low on everything except for the Hard Drives, which is still low, but not ridiculously low.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
My three-plus-year-old Sapphire 9600 Pro Atlantis is still running like a champ. Considering some of the abuse it's been through.....I really can't believe that their products would have issues such as these. They don't make crap like they used too, I guess

A friend of mine had a Sapphire 9600 non-pro that died within a few months. He overclocked it to death, literally. Even so, I don't expect overclocking to kill a videocard.

I've heard enough bad stuff about Sapphire lately to avoid them as a manufacturer. They are the MSI of the videocard world!:Q

why...MSI make crap video cards as well...just as bad as their mobo's

I have had nothing but goodness from my MSI Geforce 7800 GTX... Lowest cost one (OEM) and it ran like a charm, still does.

Edit** I suppose it would be helpful to say that I have never had a bad video card out of the 20+ I have owned... So, I dunno... For that matter I have only had one component fail on me out of the 10 computers I have built for myself personally and it was an Abit motherboard that lost the PS/2 Keyboard functionality. RMA'd it and it worked fine ever since. Just luck? Who knows, but I don't want that luck streak to end. As far as my place of employment, I believe we built thousands a year and the failure rate is really low on everything except for the Hard Drives, which is still low, but not ridiculously low.

do you regularly *tempt fate* ?
:Q



well continued good luck !

 

[TecHNooB]

apoppin, you are officially guilty of using too many smilies, air quotes, and beating your own thread to death.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: TecHNooB
apoppin, you are officially guilty of using too many smilies, air quotes, and beating your own thread to death.

*air quotes*
:Q


then *why* are you still posting in it?


you are also "officially" guilty of giving it undue attention


and i am relating *my experiences* with Sapphire RMA ... and ZZf ....
--it ain't over yet