whats after the nexus one...

[T2urtle]

obviously nexus two... haha all jokes aside now ( i know someone will post it)


I'm with tmobile and with a rooted mytouch. I like android and have been considering upgrading, my only issue with the mytouch is mainly LAG, i love the apps and i can live with the batter life i have many mini USB at work and home.

We live in a world of technology as it seems right now a phone is only top dog for a month or 2. Nexus one came out in jan, people stated a rooted droid is just about as good as a nexus one. Now we have others running snapdragon, HD2 came out ( i know not a android but still) the Increable for VZW just came out this month, Sprinit's 4g has everyone beat when it comes out next month or so. I guess everyone has its turn and back to tmobile it goes. I dont want to spend $550 on the nexus one knowing SOMETHING is peeking around the corner. So is there anything lined up?

Normally how it works is something is lined up we DROOL over the specs for about 3-6 months and then it comes out. I've heard and read some roomers on 1.5ghz scropion CPU, i saw 1.3ghz CPU on a wiki. Google/HTC stated the next nexus is based more for business people w/ a keyboard.

the cliq, slide and etc are BLAH to me, its go big or go home. I picked up the mytouch about a month when the n1 was release but $100 VS $550 made a lot of sense then.

 

[A5]

I haven't seen anything online about a new superphone for T-Mo, so I'd say nothing amazing is coming in the next 4-5 months for T-Mobile. The N1 is still one hell of a phone, though.

 

[Bateluer]

I'd be interested in a Nexus Two with a real keyboard, but I wouldn't buy it until it'd been rooted and the roms have had time to bake. My Moto Droid didn't show its strength and power until after there were multiple mature roms available.

Carriers and such tend to be tight lipped over new phone releases. If the customer knew definitively there was a far superior phone coming out in a few months, nobody would buy their current product line. Its a profit thing.

 

[T2urtle]

Carriers and such tend to be tight lipped over new phone releases. If the customer knew definitively there was a far superior phone coming out in a few months, nobody would buy their current product line. Its a profit thing.

yes but i think every phone release we had 4-6 months notice SOMEWHAT. Either by FCC approvals and specs and we can assume its for one carrier, kinda like the N900, we found out it was in tmobile's specs a LONG time ago before we even had clues as to what the n900 is about.

HTC makes a lot of things for people, yea they are tight lipped but small things peak out.. the N1 is one hell of a phone still the 4g evo should shatter that, i saw earlier 2.2 MIGHT have plans for SD app storage... stuff like that gets leaked out.. if its true or not thats another story, we can only drool about stuff.

 

[speg]

What about all those Dell phones? Lightnight/Storm/Thunder/Smoke/whatever. And of course there will be the new iPhone next month.

 

[Bateluer]

What about all those Dell phones? Lightnight/Storm/Thunder/Smoke/whatever. And of course there will be the new iPhone next month.

The Dell phones generated the same amount of buzz as Microsoft's Kin devices, nada.

The new iPhone will, of course, sell in droves and people will proclaim its the greatest thing ever created. And all the while, the millions of people with high end Android phones will be scratching our heads trying to figure out why people are excited about the new features because we've had them for years.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I'm hoping for the "Decker", a phone that actually has no issues.

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/label?lid=4a96f6d473819af3&hl=en

Check out the 2.5K posts about the touchscreen.

Evidently Google feels that holding the phone with salad tongs above your head is the cure for antenna problems...

 

[dguy6789]

I'm hoping for the "Decker", a phone that actually has no issues.

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/label?lid=4a96f6d473819af3&hl=en

Check out the 2.5K posts about the touchscreen.

Evidently Google feels that holding the phone with salad tongs above your head is the cure for antenna problems...

Do you think you're making some kind of point by going around posting a link to a customer support forum and saying "hey look the people who are posting in this forum are having problems with the device"? There isn't a single customer support forum in the world you could find that would not be filled with people having issues, that's what they are there for.

It's pretty clear you're just trying to make people think the device has more issues than it does. There are hundreds of thousands of N1 users who don't have any problems at all.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Do you think you're making some kind of point by going around posting a link to a customer support forum and saying "hey look the people who are posting in this forum are having problems with the device"? There isn't a single customer support forum in the world you could find that would not be filled with people having issues, that's what they are there for.

It's pretty clear you're just trying to make people think the device has more issues than it does. There are hundreds of thousands of N1 users who don't have any problems at all.

I have one, hard reset once today, and had to toggle the thing to sleep half a dozen times to get the screen to behave today. It's a known issue.

3G reception because of the antenna placement, known issue.

I can link you to dozens of YouTube videos of these known issues.

But I guess with you having owned how many, you know better?

I've bought 2, same problems both phones.

And yeah, I do think I'm making a point, that thread is 2.5K posts long and pinned at the top for weeks now.

The N1 was purchased by a fairly sharp group of early adopters, they knew there would be bugs, yet they're unhappy as hell...

 

[abaez]

I have had no issues with my phone at all, minus T-Mobile sucking ass. Including the 3G issue.

I'm moving to the EVO anyway because I can't stand tmo's service.

As far as the OP is concerned, almost all of the current phones out now are using the 1ghz snapdragon processor (N1, Incredible, EVO), and I'm sure a couple of upcoming phones will use it as well. There are minor differences with the camera and touchscreen stuff, but performance-wise they should all be pretty similar. I don't think you'll have an issue with them being too slow for at least a few months.

 

[Fox5]

There's a rumor of a droid 2/nexus two in the nearish future. Late summer or fall rumored launch at the moment.

Otherwise, perhaps the htc incredible will launch in a gsm flavor in America.

 

[dguy6789]

I have one, hard reset once today, and had to toggle the thing to sleep half a dozen times to get the screen to behave today. It's a known issue.

3G reception because of the antenna placement, known issue.

I can link you to dozens of YouTube videos of these known issues.

But I guess with you having owned how many, you know better?

I've bought 2, same problems both phones.

And yeah, I do think I'm making a point, that thread is 2.5K posts long and pinned at the top for weeks now.

The N1 was purchased by a fairly sharp group of early adopters, they knew there would be bugs, yet they're unhappy as hell...

Yep we all know the story, you have a defective N1, you're unhappy, so you want people to think it's a bad device. You incorrectly believe or are trying to get people to believe that all people who have an N1 have the same problems as you.

If your N1(or anyone elses) EVER crashes or hard resets or needs to be put to sleep to fix something, then it is defective. Get it replaced or get a different phone and move on with your life, sheesh. I seriously don't get how you guys put up with that or how you can believe it is a problem everyone deals with. If everyone had all these horrible breaking issues, the N1 would be returned by pretty much everybody. I guarantee that I wouldn't be defending the device so much if it was causing me problems every five seconds, I defend it because it's been very very good to me.

So you're able to find people who have problems with the device. So what? People who are pissed off or having problems make themselves heard. Especially because the people who have the N1 are from the geeky enthusiast crowd, they are very good at making themselves heard on forums and tech blogs. People without issues don't run around saying everything is fine just for the heck of it. Most N1 users would tell you it's the best phone they've ever used. Ever consider why every time you find any post saying how bad the N1 is, a ton of people chime in that they've had no problems(Including in the thread you keep referencing so eagerly)?

Lots of people on this forum(myself included) will tell you they don't have any kind of problem with the reception on the N1. The Droid Incredible has the exact same antenna setup and reception capability as the N1 but you don't hear everyone complaining about it.

I have had my N1 for almost 4 months and it has never crashed even once. I have never had any kind of touch screen issue. I have had zero dropped calls and can maintain a 3G signal virtually everywhere I've been with it. I probably use it more than most people. I do live in an area with fantastic T-Mobile reception, but the fact remains that the device's performance has been stellar for me.

 

[vshah]

i like having a nexus one because i never see anyone else with one. think different

 

[tdawg]

i like having a nexus one because i never see anyone else with one. think different

Haha! I've only seen one other N1 in the wild. Some guy at my gym had one. Other than that, I seem to be the only one in Seattle who has one, which is a nice change from when I had my iPhone.

I was so tired of seeing everybody with an iPhone, so when I was in Target one day, I bought a hard shell case to try to bring a bit of flare to my phone. Sure enough, the next evening when I left work, the dude I'm sitting next to on the bus pulls out his iPhone and he's got the exact same case on his phone I just bought!

 

[QueBert]

The Dell phones generated the same amount of buzz as Microsoft's Kin devices, nada.

The new iPhone will, of course, sell in droves and people will proclaim its the greatest thing ever created. And all the while, the millions of people with high end Android phones will be scratching our heads trying to figure out why people are excited about the new features because we've had them for years.

If by years you meant 1.5 you might almost be correct, but not actually because Andoid was lacking a lot of features itself when it came out. So realistically you could say "we've had them for months!" at best. Congratulations to finally getting pinch to zoom on some of your devices recently... (see it goes both ways)

 

[zerocool84]

If by years you meant 1.5 you might almost be correct, but not actually because Andoid was lacking a lot of features itself when it came out. So realistically you could say "we've had them for months!" at best. Congratulations to finally getting pinch to zoom on some of your devices recently... (see it goes both ways)

Pinch to zoom just enhances something that is already there. Not even comparable to something like multitasking, cut & paste, A2DP bluetooth, etc etc.

 

[T2urtle]

i like having a nexus one because i never see anyone else with one. think different

i normally roll with that idea.. but honestly... a lot of phones out there look like the N1, well passing by anyways. mytouch, hero, droid eris are share similir looks. I rather have a nice phone that BLENDS in so people dont try to steal it. I know phone with iphones stolen all the time. people know what it is and its easy to push in terms of selling.

i'm still on the fence about getting the n1,

issues are issues, crashing i'm used to seeing stuff force close and etc on the mytouch. honestly if the n1 is exactly like the mytouch but with a beefed up speeds i think i would love it. 5.0MP camera i dont care for. screen i dont care for as long as it doesn't crack on me. I think the mytouch screen is just fine. I have no isseus on youtube in HD. i love my apps, which i can play that 3d homerun on my phone but it crashes.

chicago is a big 3g city, explain to me what exactly is the 3g problem? is it just slow? or will you get the no connection screen a lot?

 

[dguy6789]

The "3G problem" as people have dubbed it is just a combination of N1's below average antenna and being in an area with poor coverage. In this scenario, some users don't stay on 3G at all times and switch to Edge. If you're in an area with great coverage, you won't have any issues. N1 on 3G browses the web really fast.

 

[Pliablemoose]

T2urtle, I guess my advice to you is to read the threads over at Google's support site, there's people there that report having gotten 6 phones in a row that display the same problems.

Just as I've learned to not purchase things on Amazon that have 3 stars and below, I would strongly caution you to consider how frustrating it is to get a phone with a lot of issues and use it daily.

dguy admits there is a "below average antenna"

IMHO, and I want to like the N1, it also has:

1.) An old sensor on the screen that was never designed/intended to be used with multi-touch. Mine frequently (many times a day) requires me to put it to sleep to get screen calibration back. When it does work, the keyboard is pretty lame, texting is a royal PITA.

2.) The OLED screen washes out horribly in direct sunlight, think unusable in direct sunlight, it works only on full blaze setting, and your battery live plummets in that setting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsSUqkh8pcI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmN4FEkM6-k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deCkjeHYT-g

dguy thinks I got a bad N1, and am too critical of it, I think it's a bad phone and a hell of a lot of people agree with me.

 

[T2urtle]

guess i can wait for this galaxy S coming up shortly... 1ghz snapdragon, that fancy LCD screen in a samsung body. priced at $500 or so as well. But least this should be warrantied by tmobile so i dont have to play that send the phone in and wait game.

 

[Bateluer]

2.) The OLED screen washes out horribly in direct sunlight, think unusable in direct sunlight, it works only on full blaze setting, and your battery live plummets in that setting.

All touch tablets have the same issue, iPhone, Moto Droid, N1, etc. Direct sunlight requires maximum brightness on the screen.

The N1 was Google's first effort with a phone and its definitely been a learning experience for them. Hopefully, their next effort puts those lessons to good use.

 

[Pliablemoose]

All touch tablets have the same issue, iPhone, Moto Droid, N1, etc. Direct sunlight requires maximum brightness on the screen.

The N1 was Google's first effort with a phone and its definitely been a learning experience for them. Hopefully, their next effort puts those lessons to good use.

No, they don't. The OLED screen of the N1 is particularly bad.

http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_Droid_ShootOut.htm

http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_iPhone_ShootOut.htm

I would actually be surprised if Google continues to label and retail phones. Tablets maybe, but I really don't see why they want to do so... Producing their own line confuses the market and keeps the manufacturers unsettled. Better for Google to stick to software IMHO.

 

[Bateluer]

No, they don't. The OLED screen of the N1 is particularly bad.

http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_Droid_ShootOut.htm

http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_iPhone_ShootOut.htm

I would actually be surprised if Google continues to label and retail phones. Tablets maybe, but I really don't see why they want to do so... Producing their own line confuses the market and keeps the manufacturers unsettled. Better for Google to stick to software IMHO.

My Droid is next to useless in direct sunlight, you have to move into the shade. Same with 4 of my friends that Moto Droids, 1 with an Incredible, 1 with a G1, 1 with an N1, and one with a Moment. Same problem across the board. It can be mitigated somewhat by allowing higher brightnesses, but as you said, that sucks battery like no tomorrow.

As for Google continuing to make and sell phones, they have said that there will be more phones in the Nexus line. They need to address the hardware issues, launch on multiple carriers, advertise the phones better, and provide better support.

 

[zerocool84]

No, they don't. The OLED screen of the N1 is particularly bad.

http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_Droid_ShootOut.htm

http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_iPhone_ShootOut.htm

I would actually be surprised if Google continues to label and retail phones. Tablets maybe, but I really don't see why they want to do so... Producing their own line confuses the market and keeps the manufacturers unsettled. Better for Google to stick to software IMHO.

Most of those issues have nothing to do with AMOLED and everything to do with 2.1 as 2.1 is limited to 16bit color in many applications and 2.0 was 24bit.

 

[Bullhonkie]

Most of those issues have nothing to do with AMOLED and everything to do with 2.1 as 2.1 is limited to 16bit color in many applications and 2.0 was 24bit.

Did you even look at those tests? Most of those issues have almost everything to do with the AMOLED display used on the N1. The only thing that would change is the displayed color depth which would result in less visible banding in gradients (or none at all ideally).

The 16-bit color problem that has been acknowledged by Google and Cooliris in 2.1 affects how many intensity values can be rendered for each color channel when displaying an image. That's completely separate from the calibration and display characteristics of a screen. A 16-bit image on a poorly calibrated display with wildly inaccurate color reproduction will still look much worse than the same image on a properly calibrated display.

There are actual technical problems/limitations with the AMOLED display, such as having only 2/3rds of the actual subpixel resolution that it should (the effective resolution of the display is more like 392x653 as opposed to the advertised 480x800 because of this) along with the blue OLEDs being overdriven resulting in overly cool color temperatures and throwing off color accuracy even more. There is a silver lining though in that some of the most important issues (all calibration related) could potentially be fixed in software/firmware. Perhaps if Google/HTC received enough complaints about those shortcomings of the display it would give them some incentive to fix it.

Just because something is newer technology doesn't immediately make it better than tried-and-true technology that has been refined over many generations. Take a look at the most recent LCD review on the AT home page for example. The LCD being reviewed is LED-backlit but is worse in pretty much every respect compared to a mature CCFL-backlit LCD except in the area of power consumption. Does that sound a little familiar?