What's an Assault Weapon?

[Broheim]

LOL! The shoulder thing that goes up.

yup, the Chicago tribune seriously pointed to the sling swivel and proclaimed "grenade launcher mount".

 

[spidey07]

yup, the Chicago tribune seriously pointed to the sling swivel and proclaimed "grenade launcher mount".

If that's where the bayonet and grenade launcher go...then where the hell do I attach my sling>

 

[xj0hnx]

yup, the Chicago tribune seriously pointed to the sling swivel and proclaimed "grenade launcher mount".

LOL, that's great.

 

[spidey07]

LOL, that's great.

Did you catch the "weapon can be used as a spear"?

Yeah, that's what I'll do. Take my rifle and throw it at somebody.

 

[blankslate]

This is a terrible idea. The Remington 870 would be a class 1 weapon while the much less deadly Ruger 10/22 would be a class 2. How about people who don't know anything about guns stop trying to come up with a magic solution via legislation?

No it's a good idea. not every general guideline is not in need of footnotes for exceptions...

I'll leave you with this horrific instance with a .22 revolver...

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/nati...-Gave-Teen-Idea-to-Kill-Family-188341731.html

Of course we could just arm every single person and ultimately live in the most polite society ever....

 

[Puddle Jumper]

No it's a good idea. not every general guideline is not in need of footnotes for exceptions...

I'll leave you with this horrific instance with a .22 revolver...

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/nati...-Gave-Teen-Idea-to-Kill-Family-188341731.html

Of course we could just arm every single person and ultimately live in the most polite society ever....

So if you admit the categories don't separate weapons based on lethality why even bother? Do you even know what the current firearms laws are?

There are plenty of other guns that don't fall into any of the categories he listed, what do you do with them?

Also your earlier point about military designs is pointless as well. After all the Mosin Nagant is the most produced military rifle in history.

 

[TallBill]

No it's a good idea. not every general guideline is not in need of footnotes for exceptions...

I'll leave you with this horrific instance with a .22 revolver...

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/nati...-Gave-Teen-Idea-to-Kill-Family-188341731.html

Of course we could just arm every single person and ultimately live in the most polite society ever....

I'm not buying a firearm for someone else. I'd gladly educate and bestow my knowledge for free though. I've seen plenty of people pick up on the idea of self defense or target shooting.

 

[Tom]

So if you admit the categories don't separate weapons based on lethality why even bother? Do you even know what the current firearms laws are?

There are plenty of other guns that don't fall into any of the categories he listed, what do you do with them?

Also your earlier point about military designs is pointless as well. After all the Mosin Nagant is the most produced military rifle in history.

Your post is why I made my post. I'm not trying to claim my suggestion is the best, I present it for discussion.

What guns don't fall into any of the 3 categories ?

I didn't try to classifiy the weapons by lethality but in a way that weapons have an actual functional difference.

And not to prevent people from having semi-autos but to make it more of a commitment to have weapons that have the capability to deliver essentially unlimited amounts of rounds in quite short periods of time.

For example, maybe require training and permits similar to those required for a CCW. Although I'd make that slightly more difficult than it is in some states.

 

[Tom]

+1∞

It's getting really old hearing suggestions of how to classify, and regulate firearms from people that don't have the first clue about firearms, and Tom is a prime example. Nothing but pure ignorance, throwing out ideas that make no sense because he doesn't know what he is talking about. Fucking barrel shrouds, "the thing that comes up for the shoulder"

Don't attribute that to me.

 

[Phanuel]

Don't attribute that to me.

So you know what a barrel shroud is? What is it?

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Your post is why I made my post. I'm not trying to claim my suggestion is the best, I present it for discussion.

What guns don't fall into any of the 3 categories ?

I didn't try to classifiy the weapons by lethality but in a way that weapons have an actual functional difference.

And not to prevent people from having semi-autos but to make it more of a commitment to have weapons that have the capability to deliver essentially unlimited amounts of rounds in quite short periods of time.

For example, maybe require training and permits similar to those required for a CCW. Although I'd make that slightly more difficult than it is in some states.

Lever guns and the SKS do not fit any of the categories.

I do not support any additional restrictions on firearms but in the interest of discussion here is my take on how a tiered system should be implemented.

The main issue I have with your ranking is it is based on the premise that assault weapons are dangerous and what should be restricted which is not true as they account for a statistically insignificant amount of gun deaths.


Tier 1: All rifles and shotguns. This tier needs no additional restrictions.

Tier 2: Handguns and Short Barreled rifles. These require a training course and background check equivalent to getting a CCW. The course should include education on safe storage as well as range time.

Tier 3: All NFA, items other than short barreled rifles. These will have the same restrictions as they do now.

 

[xj0hnx]

Don't attribute that to me.

I didn't attribute it to you, but you possess about the same quality of knowledge as she does.

Lever guns and the SKS do not fit any of the categories.

I do not support any additional restrictions on firearms but in the interest of discussion here is my take on how a tiered system should be implemented.

The main issue I have with your ranking is it is based on the premise that assault weapons are dangerous and what should be restricted which is not true as they account for a statistically insignificant amount of gun deaths.


Tier 1: All rifles and shotguns. This tier needs no additional restrictions.

Tier 2: Handguns and Short Barreled rifles. These require a training course and background check equivalent to getting a CCW. The course should include education on safe storage as well as range time.

Tier 3: All NFA, items other than short barreled rifles. These will have the same restrictions as they do now.

Fuck a tiered system, it's just a stupid idea. If you can pass a background check for a gun, then you can pass a background check for a gun. They need to repeal the NFA, and streamline, and lock down the background check. Somewhere in between the current NICS and the NFA check, and if you pass you can buy the firearm.

 

[spidey07]

Eliminate NFA and then maybe we can talk. No Compromise! Shall not be infringed.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

I didn't attribute it to you, but you possess about the same quality of knowledge as she does.



Fuck a tiered system, it's just a stupid idea. If you can pass a background check for a gun, then you can pass a background check for a gun. They need to repeal the NFA, and streamline, and lock down the background check. Somewhere in between the current NICS and the NFA check, and if you pass you can buy the firearm.

As I stated I agree that they are stupid and I would not support one. I was mainly pointing out that assault weapons actually aren't responsible for many deaths at all.

 

[Tom]

So you know what a barrel shroud is? What is it?

I assume its its a heat shield of some kind but if I cared I could find out exactly. I'm not claiming to be a gun expert.

 

[Lanyap]

It's a firearm that's been painted black

Racist!

 

[piasabird]

Any weapon the Left does not want you to own. In some cases this includes a paper gun or a finger pointing like a gun or a few legos.

 

[momeNt]

Did you catch the "weapon can be used as a spear"?

Yeah, that's what I'll do. Take my rifle and throw it at somebody.

A spear's secondary purpose is as a missile weapon, it is a javelin's primary purpose.

I think you just lost your seat on the assault weapon control committee, can't even get your weapons straight. At least you do know where the slings go though...

 

[klinc]

In 1976, the Washington, D.C. City Council passed a law generally prohibiting residents from possessing handguns and requiring that all firearms in private homes be (1) kept unloaded and (2) rendered temporally inoperable via disassembly or installation of a trigger lock. The law became operative on Sept. 24, 1976

On June 26, 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court, in a 5-4 ruling, struck down this law as unconstitutional

 

[kyrax12]

Is the source in the OP a reputable source?

 

[klinc]

Is the source in the OP a reputable source?

Try this
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

 

[werepossum]

Assault weapon (n)

1) Any rifle, pistol, or shotgun that makes progressives wet themselves.
2) A gun that did not exist back when Diane Feinstein was growing up in the 1880's
3) A gun people actually want to own

+1

Those who want to ban "assault weapons" will progressively (pun intended) move the bar until all weapons are illegal.

 

[Phanuel]

I assume its its a heat shield of some kind but if I cared I could find out exactly. I'm not claiming to be a gun expert.

If you don't understand how firearms work or what the basic terminology refers to, what makes you a SME and capable of creating "reasonable" laws around them?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This is a terrible idea. The Remington 870 would be a class 1 weapon while the much less deadly Ruger 10/22 would be a class 2.

How about people who don't know anything about guns stop trying to come up with a magic solution via legislation?

There isn't a magic solution, but there will be one imposed. In that case it's best to have a dialogue in which there are reasonable definitions made. Those who wish to have nonsensical restrictions made, like the 10 round limit, are not appealing to reason but instead having emotional testimony to use as a club to get whatever they want. At least we might open eyes and have a realization that a tube fed .22 is not the same as a fully auto AK with the largest magazine possible. Right now they are identical according to the words being used by the politicians. Appeal to emotion is a fallacy, but it damn well works.

 

[Tom]

If you don't understand how firearms work or what the basic terminology refers to, what makes you a SME and capable of creating "reasonable" laws around them?

I'm not creating laws. I'm posting stuff on a forum.

Some people might want to have a discussion. Some people want to play gotcha.