Says the troll douchebag who never argues with any sense, logical rationale, or even any attempt at good faith.
Says the troll douchebag who never argues with any sense, logical rationale, or even any attempt at good faith.There are so many toolbags like you here that clearly have no sense or rationale for public debate.
Christ, go back to grade-school.
I'm just observing that your comments here are no different than those of any racist. If only the 'Palestinian community' would clean up their own act, then the Israeli govt wouldn't have to murder them in the streets!
Some Palestinians were kicked off their land in '48, after which they went to live in refugee camps run by the occupying Jordanians (west bank) and Egyptians (Gaza) for 20 years. No one ever complained about mistreatment of the Palestinians then. It was only after Israel took control of those territories in '67 that there was a peep of protest. This was literally the first ever talk of Palestinian nationalism.
The idea that this whole conflict is all about displaced people being kicked off their land is a crock. This is a culture/religious war and always has been.
The Palestinians were offered statehood by the British in 1939, the UN in 1947, and Israel in 1999. The rejected it each and every time.
It's interesting how Israel's American defenders lean back into the usual historical tropes & misdirection about anti-semitism. It never even crosses their minds that our Israeli friends have lied about their intentions towards the Pals since forever. Even when Bibi throws it straight in their faces they go straight to denial-
Netanyahu's Rival Stays Silent on Pledge to Annex West Bank
The move would deal a blow to the prospect of a two state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But Benny Gantz is not speaking out.time.com
They've talked a two state solution for decades even as they've endeavored to make it completely impossible. They intend to leave nothing for the Pals.
You have again failed to respond to any of my points. Yet again you are throwing around empty demagoguery. At first your only response was that because I'd rather live in California than Gaza, then oppression of the Palestinians must be, what, genocide? An absurd logic and fact free argument which makes no sense at all. I don't want to live in Haiti either, or Bulgaria. Doesn't mean there is a genocide going on there either.
Now calling me a racist. If you are unable to coherently debate these points, then just say so and there is no need to proceed any further.
Completely false. There was a fight for Palestinian Arab identity much earlier, separate from just an Arab identity. You are very dishonest.
"Following the arrival of the British a number of Muslim-Christian Associations were established in all the major towns. In 1919 they joined together to hold the first Palestine Arab Congress in Jerusalem. Its main platforms were a call for representative government and opposition to the Balfour Declaration.
The Faisal-Weizmann Agreement led the Palestinian Arab population to reject the Syrian-Arab-Nationalist movement led by Faisal (in which many previously placed their hopes) and instead to agitate for Palestine to become a separate state, with an Arab majority. To further that objective, they demanded an elected assembly.[33] In 1919, in response to Palestinian Arab fears of the inclusion of the Balfour declaration to process the secret society al-Kaff al-Sawada’ (the Black-hand, its name soon changed to al-Fida’iyya, The Self-Sacrificers) was founded, it later played an important role in clandestine anti-British and anti-Zionist activities. The society was run by the al-Dajjani and al-Shanti families, with Ibrahim Hammani in charge of training and ‘Isa al-Sifri developed a secret code for correspondence. The society was initially based in Jaffa but moved its headquarters to Nablus, the Jerusalem branch was run by Mahmud Aziz al-Khalidi.[34]"
again, you are completely dishonest by making such flippant statements - they did not accept what was basically imperialism being forced upon the natives, Jewish immigration and the formation of a Jewish state was a decree of all those 'statehood' offerings.
I mean the Palestinians and Arabs have made many mistakes, but you certainly misrepresenting history dramatically certainly isn't making a good case for Israel and the West. Just shows what most of us know about Zionist sympathizers that blame everything on the Palestinians, they are full of shit and intellectually and morally bankrupt.
You're apparently just clueless as to the meaning of your own words. If you're going to advocate a negative treatment towards a group of people, it is more than reasonable for someone to ask you if you would like to be treated that way yourself, all else being equal. And as your answer was, no you would not, but yet you continue to advocate that treatment with sweeping generalizations about how "they" deserve it, and those generalizations about that "them" and the treatment they supposedly deserve are based entirely upon the accident of their birth, then it is entirely appropriate for people to call you what you are.
Logic is a bitch.
Couldn't have been all that significant of a movement, or they'd have accepted a state any of the three times it was offered to them. You know that the first time they were offered statehood, in 1937, it would have encompassed all of the West Bank, all of Gaza, and a portion what is now modern day Israel? But they didn't accept it, because as you admit below-
Ding ding, they didn't want any Jews there, and certainly not a predominantly Jewish state, no matter how small the size. Bear in mind that leaving their land was not part of the plan. The Peel Commission simply apportioned territory based on current populations, with the portion containing predominantly Jews becoming Israel and the portion containing predominantly Arabs becoming Palestine. 3/4's would be an Arab state.
So it was just the idea of any state with a Jewish majority that was a deal breaker for them. Bear in mind that these Jews were fleeing from oppression and slaughter, mainly in Russia and the Ukraine, and later, after the war, from Europe. And you defend this? You defend the notion that them not wanting to be around Jews was a justification for rejecting three statehood offers?
Funny how it is claimed that the Jews there didn't want Arabs among them. If that was true, the feeling was clearly mutual. But that was OK, for the Arabs to hate the Jewish settlors, because they were there first, right?
If you think the "they were there first argument" really holds now as justification for continued conflict which has really been going on since the 1890's, you're nuts.
This is a culture/religious war which has been going on forever and it isn't going to end with more rockets, suicide attacks, or Israeli reprisals. In fact, it isn't going to end until all of that stops. And it will not stop until two things go away: Hamas, and the Likud. Each has been feeding and propping up the other for at least 15 years now.
You are right about there being a culture war, you just left out the primary antagonist.
There was a culture war, Christians against Jews. You admit that above but omit it from your calculations. The culture war was Jews being forced from Christian nations in Europe to that area, and then Christian nations who ran the world saying we will now create a Jewish state so we can be absolved of our sins. Then they taught history that if anyone disagrees with this, we will paint them as evil non compromising natives.
What you're saying is true of Netanyahu. It wasn't true of Yitzhak Rabin or Ehud Barack. Rabin was assassinated in 1995 by Arab extremists who were unhappy with the Oslo peace accords, and Barack's offer of statehood was rejected by Arafat without any serious attempt at negotiation. That was in 1999. Then came 2000, when the suicide bombings started. The Likud party has been in power since.
This notion that no Israeli leaders have ever made good faith efforts at peace is a flat out lie.
I didn't lie. I got my facts wrong, as I was going off memory.
But since we're going with "liar", are you going to explain how your post that I replied to was accurate in the least? None of this changes the fact that both Rabin and Barack were actively working towards peace. The Jew who assassinated him did so precisely because he was working towards peace.
Really? What was the reason that we're supposed to be okay with bombing women and children again?I never advocated "negative treatment towards a group of people."
Now you're just lying.
Really? What was the reason that we're supposed to be okay with bombing women and children again?
So what? Deeds matter more than words. The Israelis have been working their slow motion lebensraum against the Pals since 1947. If it's not what all of them want, or ever wanted, it's obviously what enough of them want for it to keep happening. And we manage to condone it. Trump gave them the green light long ago when he made this guy their ambassador-
David M. Friedman - Wikipedia
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Nice generalized assertion, without facts to back it up.
Oh, and I got your barely veiled Nazi comparison with the "lebensraum" comment. Enjoy baiting Jews much?
You might explain why you think the bulk of the Jews in the world were hellbent on exterminating all the Arabs. Because most of world Jewry supported the Jewish state, certainly back then. But hey, you certainly conceded the point that while most were bloodthirsty racists, some, you assume, were good people.
Man I guess we can well understand why the Europeans were slaughtering them all those years. With their ideas of racial superiority and penchant towards violence. It's no wonder no one wanted the take in the Jews all those years.
Asshole.
You poor thing. Putting words in my mouth is an admission you have no argument. Tarring me as some kind of Jew hater won't work. If you'd care to characterize the ongoing Israeli confiscation & appropriation in some other way, have at it. Tell us what it is other than what I said. They covet what little the Pals have & intend to take it all.
The Israelis have been working their slow motion lebensraum against the Pals since 1947.
I merely said it was natural for an oppressed people to want to fight for their freedom. And of course, the fault for that always lies with the oppressors.Really? What was the reason that we're supposed to be OK with firing rockets at civilians again?
You're the one justifying violence, not me.
He's simply clueless to that fact that the war for Israel's right to exist was over decades ago and that Israel won. Decisively. And that the issue now is that Israel has subsequently determined to follow an extremely illiberal post-war resolution with the losers.You poor thing. Putting words in my mouth is an admission you have no argument. Tarring me as some kind of Jew hater won't work. If you'd care to characterize the ongoing Israeli confiscation & appropriation in some other way, have at it. Tell us what it is other than what I said. They covet what little the Pals have & intend to take it all.
He's simply clueless to that fact that the war for Israel's right to exist was over decades ago and that Israel won. Decisively. And that the issue now is that Israel has subsequently determined to follow an extremely illiberal post-war resolution with the losers.
People who have been imprisoned since birth because of who they were born will have a natural tendency to fight back against their imprisonment. That is normal human behavior. As such, the fault in such cases does not lie with those fighting for their freedom, but with their jailers.
I merely said it was natural for an oppressed people to want to fight for their freedom. And of course, the fault for that always lies with the oppressors.
While it may seem "natural" to you for them to continue blowing themselves up on school buses, and firing rockets at Israeli towns - all targeting a country with a first rate military - it sounds a lot more like the classic definition of insanity to me. Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
They understand the world is weak, and their suicidal sacrifices may one day bring about formal condemnation and sanctions, even a blockade against Israel. They are desperate but not necessarily stupid about the objective. Far too many people play into the "but they are dying" trope for it not to be a real stratagem.