Why would you want to put KDE on the worlds most secure OS?Originally posted by: zeusfaber
can i run somthing like kde or gnome or other xwindows over the top of openbsd?
Why not?Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode
Why would you want to put KDE on the worlds most secure OS?Originally posted by: zeusfaber
can i run somthing like kde or gnome or other xwindows over the top of openbsd?
Any patched one.whats most secure unix type os?
Originally posted by: skyking
Any patched one.whats most secure unix type os?
Seriously, a "better" one will have plenty of problems if it is exposed to the net without keeping it up to date.
The rapid publication of discoverd exploits and patches is a double edged sword: If you do not patch your box, you are out in the cold, and the hackers know the nature of the latest discovered exploit. Kind of chilling, in a way.
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: skyking
Any patched one.whats most secure unix type os?
Seriously, a "better" one will have plenty of problems if it is exposed to the net without keeping it up to date.
The rapid publication of discoverd exploits and patches is a double edged sword: If you do not patch your box, you are out in the cold, and the hackers know the nature of the latest discovered exploit. Kind of chilling, in a way.
I'll go one step further: The one with the better admin.
Patches are all well and good, but if you leave a daemon wide open through a misconfiguration...
Originally posted by: yukichigai
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: skyking
Any patched one.whats most secure unix type os?
Seriously, a "better" one will have plenty of problems if it is exposed to the net without keeping it up to date.
The rapid publication of discoverd exploits and patches is a double edged sword: If you do not patch your box, you are out in the cold, and the hackers know the nature of the latest discovered exploit. Kind of chilling, in a way.
I'll go one step further: The one with the better admin.
Patches are all well and good, but if you leave a daemon wide open through a misconfiguration...
And I'll go one step further to say one used by a low-visibility user nobody will care about. Seriously, if you don't stick your neck out much nobody will really care to hack you. How many grannies have you heard of who've been hacked lately?
Seems kinda trite. OpenBSD is the most secure OS out of the box, but the more you mess with it, the more you open yourself up. Just the way I look at it...Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Why not?Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode
Why would you want to put KDE on the worlds most secure OS?Originally posted by: zeusfaber
can i run somthing like kde or gnome or other xwindows over the top of openbsd?
Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode
Seems kinda trite. OpenBSD is the most secure OS out of the box, but the more you mess with it, the more you open yourself up. Just the way I look at it...Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Why not?Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode
Why would you want to put KDE on the worlds most secure OS?Originally posted by: zeusfaber
can i run somthing like kde or gnome or other xwindows over the top of openbsd?
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: yukichigai
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: skyking
Any patched one.whats most secure unix type os?
Seriously, a "better" one will have plenty of problems if it is exposed to the net without keeping it up to date.
The rapid publication of discoverd exploits and patches is a double edged sword: If you do not patch your box, you are out in the cold, and the hackers know the nature of the latest discovered exploit. Kind of chilling, in a way.
I'll go one step further: The one with the better admin.
Patches are all well and good, but if you leave a daemon wide open through a misconfiguration...
And I'll go one step further to say one used by a low-visibility user nobody will care about. Seriously, if you don't stick your neck out much nobody will really care to hack you. How many grannies have you heard of who've been hacked lately?
Are you excluding worms or just ignoring the fact that you don't have to be a big name target to wear a bullseye?
I'd say you get less functionality, not usefulness.The less you "mess with it" the less useful it is.
Originally posted by: yukichigai
1) The number of worms or other malicious crap that you'll get sent without handing out your e-mail addy is minimal. Unless you have AOL.
2) Most ISPs have virus filtering software on their e-mail anymore, which, while not perfect, will catch most of the random stuff.
3) Did I say big name? No. I said stick your neck out. If you keep away from warez and "free porn" sites you'll find that the number of viruses you get drops dramatically.
4) You never answered how many grannies you've heard of who've been hacked lately.
Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode
I'd say you get less functionality, not usefulness.The less you "mess with it" the less useful it is.
I'm just wondering why you would want to install KDE on it if your main concern is security out of the box. OpenBSD's claim to fame is "Secure by Default," so the more you mess with it (and by mess with, I mean experiment with things you don't a lot about. much like when I try to "fix a TV" ), the more vulnerable you become.
*if i had a point, it was that if you're like me, still learning, you're not going to have security the first time you install something. you're going to have to dedicate a lot of time reading about what you're doing, why you're doing it, etc. So, if you're still asking questions about can I install X on openbsd, you might run into a few roadbumps along the way. I know a few of my friends that tried linux thought that just because they ran linux they were untouchable, they found out that wasn't the case very quickly. I've been lucky enough to only have someone tag a website of mine over a year ago...
Originally posted by: yukichigai
1) Code Red was an exception, but that was one out of who knows how many millions of other viruses out there. Like I said, the number is minimal.
2) *nod, etc.*
3) I think you're thinking in terms of higher-end users than I'm getting at. The average home user isn't nearly as visible as a low-end developer.
4) I reffer you to my original #3, also titled "warez and free porn is the devil"
Crimeny, all this because I was trying to insert some levity into the thread.
Meant it as levity, forgot the emoticon.Are you a lawyer or do you just want to argue semantics?
No, I do agree with you. Obviously you need to install and configure packages to add features/functionality/whatever. The question I originally asked was specifically geared towards zeusfaber. I wasn't being condencending. It's hard to convey intent over the internet, emoticons only do so much. You said it beautifully, if a user isn't comfortable with is workstation, it can be more than useless, it can be counterproductive. So, go out and install FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Debian, RedHat, whatever, and find out what you're most comfortable with, and disregard everything I've ever saidHave you looked at a default OpenBSD machine? What "functionality" can that machine provide, without changing anything? An SSH server... That's about all I can think of. It can't serve webpages, not even static ones. It can't relay mail for your network. It cannot be a firewall. It cannot be an IDS. Frankly, I don't think of it as usable, except in very strict circumstances. But, if you want to use the box for more than something to SSH into, you have to make changes. Enable Apache, allow mail relaying from 10.10.10.0/8, setup PF, configure X and use it for a workstation, etc all give you something useful for more situations than an SSH gateway. When setup with extra daemons, although it adds the chances of adding more security holes through code and administration nightmares, you get more out of your investment. A server running no daemons is useless, a workstation that is not comfortable for the user is worse than useless (I think it can be counter productive).
Originally posted by: zeusfaber
i suppose i should try to defend myself... i just figured i would try something new and different thats very secure, and "can" be used for day to day tasks (thats the kde/gnome part). i used linux and freebsd, but never openbsd or netbsd.
Originally posted by: zeusfaber
i suppose i should try to defend myself... i just figured i would try something new and different thats very secure, and "can" be used for day to day tasks (thats the kde/gnome part). i used linux and freebsd, but never openbsd or netbsd.
No need to defend yourself, well at least not from me I'm just bored and curious.Originally posted by: zeusfaber
i suppose i should try to defend myself... i just figured i would try something new and different thats very secure, and "can" be used for day to day tasks (thats the kde/gnome part). i used linux and freebsd, but never openbsd or netbsd.
Originally posted by: skyking
Originally posted by: zeusfaber
i suppose i should try to defend myself... i just figured i would try something new and different thats very secure, and "can" be used for day to day tasks (thats the kde/gnome part). i used linux and freebsd, but never openbsd or netbsd.
For what you are proposing, freebsd will work fine. I would stick with something you know, unless you want to try out the other distros for experience-sake. that is a noble quest unto itself, but freebsd is plenty secure.