What's next from ATI and Nvidia?

[AbRASiON]

I'm curious if anyone knows what's coming after the X1900XTX and the 7900GTX? - and I don't mean dodgy refresh's like 7950 or X1950XTX kind of thing - like totally new cards.

Anyone know? (I'm just curious to read up - I realise the current cards are quite new)

 

[Nirach]

R600'll be the next one from ATi, last I heard. Not a clue about the nVidia side of the fence, though. I guess one of the other users'll be here shortly to tell you though

 

[Exsomnis]

ATi are planning unified shader architecture for the R600, Nvidia are supposedly not for G80.

 

[tuteja1986]

Dx 10
UNIFIED SHADER ARTICTURE
Unified architecture
Shader 4.0
AVIVO 2 ro what ever they will call it
Nvidia HDR with AA support
no more master card
Probably even intergation of some physic processing processor

 

[Sable]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
Probably even intergation of some physic processing processor

I'd agree except for this. I can't see it being a separate processor on the card. It should just use the programmable nature of the gpu to do the physics calculations. I believe this is what NV are doing with the Havok FX API.

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: Sable

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
Probably even intergation of some physic processing processor

I'd agree except for this. I can't see it being a separate processor on the card. It should just use the programmable nature of the gpu to do the physics calculations. I believe this is what NV are doing with the Havok FX API.

They're planning to use the second card in SLI/Crossfire to do the physics calculations.

 

[Effect]

Presumably, the GF 8 series from NV and the x2k series from ATI.

Also DX10, HDCP support, and the all important performance increase. (also possibly smaller manufacturing process, is the x1k series 90nm?)

 

[dunno99]

Don't be surprised if the new cards' DX9x performance isn't as good as current gen's performance...hehe....

 

[raz3000]

Since DX10 isn't backwards compatible with Windows XP, it'll be interesting to see the new cards' performance in DX9.

 

[Munky]

But DX10 should still be backward compatible with DX9. All the previous DX versions were backward compatible. Otherwise no DX9 games will run on a DX10 system.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: dunno99
Don't be surprised if the new cards' DX9x performance isn't as good as current gen's performance...hehe....

That's scary...

I guess I'd have to hold on to my card as well.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: dunno99
Don't be surprised if the new cards' DX9x performance isn't as good as current gen's performance...hehe....

That would pretty much be suicide for both ATI and NV on the next gen... Say, R600 and G80 come out in Q4 of this year with worse DX9 performance than the current cards. Then Vista Launches in Q1 of next year. By the time Vista and DX10 actually penetrate the market in Q4 of 2007 (when everybody gets their "new Windows" computer for x-mas ans SP1 is on the horizon) the cards will already be outdated (probably already replaced). The next gen cards still have to speed bump DX9 if they want to sell these cards regardless of DX10.

 

[jim1976]

Aaa teh D3D10 ..
Don't mind me but a birdy told me that we will have 3 revisions of d3d10 API as with dx9..
So consequently DX10a,b,c or whatever they will be called...

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: jim1976
Aaa teh D3D10 ..
Don't mind me but a birdy told me that we will have 3 revisions of d3d10 in stages..
So consequently DX10a,b,c or whatever they will be called...

Now that makes some sense. The drastic switch to DX10 people are talking about just doesn't sound consistent. MS didn't even make Vista 64-bit only, which IMO would have been a good way to transistion from 32-bit to 64-bit. Why would they break DX backwards compatability?

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: jim1976
Aaa teh D3D10 ..
Don't mind me but a birdy told me that we will have 2 revisions of d3d10 in stages..

Now that makes some sense. The drastic switch to DX10 people are talking about just doesn't sound consistent. MS didn't even make Vista 64-bit only, which IMO would have been a good way to transistion from 32-bit to 64-bit. Why would they break DX backwards compatability?

NitroM quote again I made a typo.. LOL

 

[nitromullet]

Well, that changes things a bit... I think we all assumed that there would be revisions a,b,c etc.. However, that doesn't really tell us anything about backward compatibility with DX9. Will DX10a be "more" backward compatible with DX9 than DX10c? That doesn't make sense. It would seem that they would have to alter the way DX10 works on a fundamental level for this to be the case, thus completely changing the API itself each "minor" revision.

 

[dfloyd]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: dunno99
Don't be surprised if the new cards' DX9x performance isn't as good as current gen's performance...hehe....

That would pretty much be suicide for both ATI and NV on the next gen... Say, R600 and G80 come out in Q4 of this year with worse DX9 performance than the current cards. Then Vista Launches in Q1 of next year. By the time Vista and DX10 actually penetrate the market in Q4 of 2007 (when everybody gets their "new Windows" computer for x-mas ans SP1 is on the horizon) the cards will already be outdated (probably already replaced). The next gen cards still have to speed bump DX9 if they want to sell these cards regardless of DX10.

Have you read up on how DX9 will be handled on DX10 cards? What was posted is more than likely true. DX9 games will more than likely run slower on DX10 cards. Why? Its my understanding that DX9 will be emulated.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: dfloyd

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: dunno99
Don't be surprised if the new cards' DX9x performance isn't as good as current gen's performance...hehe....

That would pretty much be suicide for both ATI and NV on the next gen... Say, R600 and G80 come out in Q4 of this year with worse DX9 performance than the current cards. Then Vista Launches in Q1 of next year. By the time Vista and DX10 actually penetrate the market in Q4 of 2007 (when everybody gets their "new Windows" computer for x-mas ans SP1 is on the horizon) the cards will already be outdated (probably already replaced). The next gen cards still have to speed bump DX9 if they want to sell these cards regardless of DX10.

Have you read up on how DX9 will be handled on DX10 cards? What was posted is more than likely true. DX9 games will more than likely run slower on DX10 cards. Why? Its my understanding that DX9 will be emulated.

That doesn't change the fact that you'd have to be an idiot to buy a DX10 card then until it actually becomes mainstream and there are games written for it, which isn't going to be during the time of G80 and R600... I'm sure than NV and ATI will not be pleased.

 

[dfloyd]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: dfloyd

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: dunno99
Don't be surprised if the new cards' DX9x performance isn't as good as current gen's performance...hehe....

That would pretty much be suicide for both ATI and NV on the next gen... Say, R600 and G80 come out in Q4 of this year with worse DX9 performance than the current cards. Then Vista Launches in Q1 of next year. By the time Vista and DX10 actually penetrate the market in Q4 of 2007 (when everybody gets their "new Windows" computer for x-mas ans SP1 is on the horizon) the cards will already be outdated (probably already replaced). The next gen cards still have to speed bump DX9 if they want to sell these cards regardless of DX10.

Have you read up on how DX9 will be handled on DX10 cards? What was posted is more than likely true. DX9 games will more than likely run slower on DX10 cards. Why? Its my understanding that DX9 will be emulated.

That doesn't change the fact that you'd have to be an idiot to buy a DX10 card then until it actually becomes mainstream and there are games written for it, which isn't going to be during the time of G80 and R600... I'm sure than NV and ATI will not be pleased.

I agree with you friend, I was just explaing the reason why performance would degrade, not saying one should or should not purchase one.

Edit: And I disagree, I think DX10 based cards will be quite popular and viable. Sure its gonna suck to have DX9 and below emulated, but emulation does not mean for a fact it will be slower, heck it could be faster (Emulation is just emulating one enviroment by another, in this case DX9 will be emulated by DX10). Why? DX10 should be faster as all of its backards compatability (Read Legacy) will be taken out. Will be like Jared Fogle all over again, only this time in your comp

Now that said I am saying might and maybe, there is no definite until its sitting in your lap at home saying spank me baby. So dont count anything as a positive, this is all just conecture, but based on the past. Anyone remember going from 3.1 to 95? I hated it with a passion, of course I was using a 486 DX 50 at work with 4MB of memory so of course I would hate it, but 95 was better and it did the same thing in ways.

 

[nitromullet]

I think we're saying the same thing...

If DX9 performance sucks becasue of DX10 compliance, and there are no DX10 games out, these cards will sell poorly. If on the otherhand, they perfom great in DX9 (for whatever reason) they will sell great.

 

[zephyrprime]

I don't think the emulation will have that much of an impact. The graphics system relies on hardware speed much more than driver and directx efficiency in my opinion.

 

[Ichigo]

Emulation will obviously be slower, but heck, the next-gen cards could be so fast that the new architecture can outdo the performance decrease due to emulation and pull a net performance gain. Who knows. =p

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis

Originally posted by: Sable

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
Probably even intergation of some physic processing processor

I'd agree except for this. I can't see it being a separate processor on the card. It should just use the programmable nature of the gpu to do the physics calculations. I believe this is what NV are doing with the Havok FX API.

They're planning to use the second card in SLI/Crossfire to do the physics calculations.

That is the stupidest thing ive ever heard...

$500 GPU to do physics...
$200 Card designed specifically to do physics...

 

[nitromullet]

Just a thought, but what about running G80 or R600 on WinXP...? If DX10 isn't backwards compatible, how are the DX10 cards goind to run on XP if it doesn't support DX10?

 

[CaiNaM]

ATi are planning

Nvidia are supposedly not for G80.

OT, but i've seen it so often i have to ask... and please don't take this as someone being a "grammar cop", as it just strikes me as odd, so please allow me a little latitude s i am asking legitimately in an effort to understand something.

why do many people use 'are' after singular pronouns? is it because 'american' english is different in treating a word like 'everybody' as a singlular pronoun?

as an example, we don't say, "are everybody drunk?", rather we say, "is everybody drunk?"
(even as the term 'everbody' refers to a group of people).

in referring to 'ati' or 'nvidia', they are single companies (even if we are thinking about a 'collective' group of people), and therefore the proper grammar (at least in american english) is to say, "ati (nvidia) is planning...."

so.. is it a case of grammatical error, or that american english is different, or i am just so damn old that they changed the rules and are teaching younger folks something different?