What's one of the 'safer' illegal drugs?

[allies]

Everything can be fine in moderation...

However I don't do drugs. To the guy that mentioned coffee, tea, beer, ciggs, etc... Hardly ever

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Squisher
I don't know that I would term Marijuana as the safest. I would say there are detrimental effects to the respiratory system after years of use. Maybe, not as bad as cigarettes but it's there.


BTW-this is coming from a 49 year old weed smoker.

okay.. the chemical it has within it is quite the safe one, but the effects of how the chemical is ingested... no so much.
vaporizers basically negate the harmful effects on the lungs before one would even light up.
damn if only they weren't so damned expensive.

You can make a decently effective one out of a light bulb.

what kind of light bulb, a 400w incandescent? lmao
normal light bulbs I didn't think got hot enough to catch plant material on fire, let alone allow the chemical to vaporize too. lighter flame - type temperature I assumed would be required.
odd.

I think he means break the bottom of a normal household light bulb, put the buds inside, and heat from underneath with butane lighter. Like a crack/meth vaporizer pipe.

/ed: I doubt it would work with weed...

oh that method... i was completely not thinking that. and yea... negatory

 

[killface]

Again, it depends on what you mean by 'safe'
Heroin/opiates/opiods do no damage to your body in and of itself. It's the method of ingestion and cut that does damage.
In that sense, they're all relatively safe. It's just people being stupid with them or getting something other than what they're paying for.

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Squisher
I don't know that I would term Marijuana as the safest. I would say there are detrimental effects to the respiratory system after years of use. Maybe, not as bad as cigarettes but it's there.


BTW-this is coming from a 49 year old weed smoker.

okay.. the chemical it has within it is quite the safe one, but the effects of how the chemical is ingested... no so much.
vaporizers basically negate the harmful effects on the lungs before one would even light up.
damn if only they weren't so damned expensive.

You can make a decently effective one out of a light bulb.

what kind of light bulb, a 400w incandescent? lmao
normal light bulbs I didn't think got hot enough to catch plant material on fire, let alone allow the chemical to vaporize too. lighter flame - type temperature I assumed would be required.
odd.

Hahah... take a hollowed out light bulb, the tube from a Bic pen... use your imagination.

Friends claim it works nearly as well as their vaporizer.

 

[Captante]

Pot is the safest illegal drug, but its still not exactly safe... even if used only occasionaly you still have to smoke it which is very bad for you & if used frequently it has many more serious effects like short-term memory loss.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: killface
Again, it depends on what you mean by 'safe'
Heroin/opiates/opiods do no damage to your body in and of itself. It's the method of ingestion and cut that does damage.
In that sense, they're all relatively safe. It's just people being stupid with them or getting something other than what they're paying for.

Explain how they do no damage to the body? I mean honestly.....

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: irishScott


I was gonna make love to you, but then I got high, I'm serious
I was gonna eat your pussy to, but then I got high
Now i'm jacking off and I know why, (turn this ****** off) 'cuz I got high, because I got high, because I got high

I messed up my entire life, because I got high
I lost my kids and wife , because I got high
Now I'm sleeping on the sidewalk, and I know why, (why man) 'cuz I got high, because I got high, because I got high

Just don't do it. The only benefit is getting high, which is nothing more then the drug chemically fvcking up your body. Drugs are for people who either can't cope with stress, or have a mental disorder.

I'm not sure quoting a rapper is a good defense against drug use...

As for your statement about what people drugs are for... yeah... no. Don't make blind assumptions and stereotype a lifestyle you clearly don't have any knowledge of.


In short: marijuana is the safest. It's safer than alcohol and cigarettes. Don't do coke.

 

[EvilYoda]

E and acid are fine if you have a good source and even better, a good batch.

 

[killface]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: killface
Again, it depends on what you mean by 'safe'
Heroin/opiates/opiods do no damage to your body in and of itself. It's the method of ingestion and cut that does damage.
In that sense, they're all relatively safe. It's just people being stupid with them or getting something other than what they're paying for.

Explain how they do no damage to the body? I mean honestly.....

They simply don't. The drug (heroin) itself leaves no damage in your body or brain. It is inherently one of the safest drugs in the world. The problems come from addiction, sharing needles, or when it's cut with fentanyl or other crap.

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: Doctor Nyse
LSD

 

[piasabird]

Coffee

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: killface

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: killface
Again, it depends on what you mean by 'safe'
Heroin/opiates/opiods do no damage to your body in and of itself. It's the method of ingestion and cut that does damage.
In that sense, they're all relatively safe. It's just people being stupid with them or getting something other than what they're paying for.

Explain how they do no damage to the body? I mean honestly.....

They simply don't. The drug (heroin) itself leaves no damage in your body or brain. It is inherently one of the safest drugs in the world. The problems come from addiction, sharing needles, or when it's cut with fentanyl or other crap.

No offense but you are contradicting yourself, you mention addiction which is a side effect from the drug effecting the brain...

 

[killface]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

No offense but you are contradicting yourself, you mention addiction which is a side effect from the drug effecting the brain...

It's a side effect, but it does no damage to the body. No one asked which drug has no side-effects. It does no long-term *damage* to the brain. It sure as hell feels like it, but again, it's a secondary/tertiary effect... If you don't withdraw, you can live your entire life snorting or injecting heroin and otherwise live a long, healthy life.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: allies

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Squisher
I don't know that I would term Marijuana as the safest. I would say there are detrimental effects to the respiratory system after years of use. Maybe, not as bad as cigarettes but it's there.


BTW-this is coming from a 49 year old weed smoker.

okay.. the chemical it has within it is quite the safe one, but the effects of how the chemical is ingested... no so much.
vaporizers basically negate the harmful effects on the lungs before one would even light up.
damn if only they weren't so damned expensive.

You can make a decently effective one out of a light bulb.

what kind of light bulb, a 400w incandescent? lmao
normal light bulbs I didn't think got hot enough to catch plant material on fire, let alone allow the chemical to vaporize too. lighter flame - type temperature I assumed would be required.
odd.

Hahah... take a hollowed out light bulb, the tube from a Bic pen... use your imagination.

Friends claim it works nearly as well as their vaporizer.

you can just use a Heat Gun and a bong, works even better IMO

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: killface

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

No offense but you are contradicting yourself, you mention addiction which is a side effect from the drug effecting the brain...

It's a side effect, but it does no damage to the body. No one asked which drug has no side-effects. It does no long-term *damage* to the brain. It sure as hell feels like it, but again, it's a secondary/tertiary effect... If you don't withdraw, you can live your entire life snorting or injecting heroin and otherwise live a long, healthy life.

I'm not trying to argue, but I work in an inner city hospital. I've yet to see a heroin addict live a long, 'healthy' life. Perhaps I'm biased here but these drug DO have major effects on your body. Sugar coating it by saying it's a side effect seems very naive to me, at least if you understand the context at which I see drug use.

Not to mention Heroin directly acts upon receptors in the CNS....and certain parts of the brain

 

[killface]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
I'm not trying to argue, but I work in an inner city hospital. I've yet to see a heroin addict live a long, 'healthy' life. Perhaps I'm biased here but these drug DO have major effects on your body. Sugar coating it by saying it's a side effect seems very naive to me, at least if you understand the context at which I see drug use.

Not to mention Heroin directly acts upon receptors in the CNS....and certain parts of the brain

First off, don't worry about contesting or arguing with me. We're cool and I appreciate the concern and alternate opinion.

The context in which you see this drug addiction is the problem. Read this carefully: There is nothing *inherently* dangerous about heroin. That is, there is nothing in and of itself dangerous about heroin. Heroin addicts live ******, short lives because they share needles, steal for their habit and are not careful about infections.

My argument is as follows: If you take 2 identical twins, let one take all the *pure* heroin he/she wants and the other takes no drugs, both will live long lives.

Edit - Let me just say you, unlike many people on these forums, are a delight to argue with because you're not flaming and you're being a gentleman. *props*

 

[cker]

All drugs have side effects. Any street drug has a certain risk. Even something that's commonly considered fairly innocuous could be bad for you. Cocaine may be 'cut' with any number of things -- you can't look at it and tell if it's baby talcum powder (bad to inhale, by the way), rat poison, boric acid, et c. Marijuana may be a earthy-crunchy drug, but you don't know if the grower sprayed it with formaldehyde to inhibid fungus. I don't know if the US still funds the spraying of foreign marijuana fields with poisons, but they have in the past -- I can't recall the specific toxin used, but I believe it was sprayed on Mexican fields in the 1970s. Regardless -- you don't know what's in a pill, powder or vial unless you test it. Just as important, even if the pill or powder is what it's supposed to be, you don't know the strength.

Ecstasydata is defunct, apparently, but they did testing of MDMA pills and found all sorts of stuff -- meth, DXM (Robitussin), et c. I expect similar results would be found on other street drugs. I'm not shrilly hollering that drugs are the devil, but you're talking about an intoxicating version of Bargain Bob's I-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Aspirin. There's a leap of faith you're making when you buy an ambiguous substance from a stranger and consume it. Would you eat food you bought from your dealer?

killface: And while I don't have personal experience with the drug, I have take issue with the assertion that you can live a long and healthy life on heroin (or crack, or cocaine, or meth). You can always point to a few exceptions, like the 95 year old guy who smokes three packs a day; but those are noticeable because they're exceptional, not because they're common. If there was an external force restricting the intake of the drug, and the drug was of a consistent potency and purity, then possibly. I'd put long odds on a long-term heroin supply being consistently potent and pure, AND the user having the mindset and willpower to avoid escalating the habit. I'm not saying your assertion is impossible, just that it's improbable.

[edit for spelling]

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: killface

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
I'm not trying to argue, but I work in an inner city hospital. I've yet to see a heroin addict live a long, 'healthy' life. Perhaps I'm biased here but these drug DO have major effects on your body. Sugar coating it by saying it's a side effect seems very naive to me, at least if you understand the context at which I see drug use.

Not to mention Heroin directly acts upon receptors in the CNS....and certain parts of the brain

First off, don't worry about contesting or arguing with me. We're cool and I appreciate the concern and alternate opinion.

The context in which you see this drug addiction is the problem. Read this carefully: There is nothing *inherently* dangerous about heroin. That is, there is nothing in and of itself dangerous about heroin. Heroin addicts live ******, short lives because they share needles, steal for their habit and are not careful about infections.

My argument is as follows: If you take 2 identical twins, let one take all the *pure* heroin he/she wants and the other takes no drugs, both will live long lives.

Edit - Let me just say you, unlike many people on these forums, are a delight to argue with because you're not flaming and you're being a gentleman. *props*

Well I can be a flaming arsehole if you want me to be

Anyways in that context you are correct. Just hope that twin on the heroin doesnt miss a dose or she'll be dead in a few hours without proper management.

 

[cavemanmoron]

safest drug.
probably an Aspirin a day.

 

[uberman]

Pain medication is a political issue. People will continue to suffer excruciating pain so that the government can oppress doctors who try to prescribe medication.

Marijuana should likely be legalized. It's not something that I'd do, but it might be used to help patients and further study the benefits. Marijuana is not a harmless drug though. I've met people who used it 20 years ago and still do today. They are exactly the same as they were 20 years ago. Marijuana stifles ambition, drive and interest about the world. These people/users are frozen in time.

 

[killface]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Well I can be a flaming arsehole if you want me to be

Anyways in that context you are correct. Just hope that twin on the heroin doesnt miss a dose or she'll be dead in a few hours without proper management.

Only alcohol, GHB and benzodiazapene withdrawal is fatal. The others just *feel* fatal. Again, thanks for not being a douche-bag.

Originally posted by: cavemanmoron
safest drug.
probably an Aspirin a day.

In the grand schemes of things, aspirin is not safe at all. Reye's syndrome and all that. It works great for acne and whatnot, but probably shouldn't be taken internally.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: killface

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Well I can be a flaming arsehole if you want me to be

Anyways in that context you are correct. Just hope that twin on the heroin doesnt miss a dose or she'll be dead in a few hours without proper management.

Only alcohol, GHB and benzodiazapene withdrawal is fatal. The others just *feel* fatal. Again, thanks for not being a douche-bag.

Haha, no problem. Well I've seen opiate withdrawal be nearly fatal from people who pass out, vomit and aspirate the contents...so perhaps not directly fatal but definitely indirectly. Sorry I keep pointing these sorta things out but I see so much that crap I cant help it

And aspirin...yea I agree with ya on that point. Better things out there for anti-coag therapy, well anti-platelet aggregation since thats more accurate for what aspirin does IIRC