What's the big deal about the Honda S2000?

[zCypher]

I had thought it had something like 280hp, but looking up the 2003 S2000 model on edmunds.com revealed that it actually has 240hp (at 8300rpm! :Q) and 153 ft-lbs of torque at... 7500rpm!?

Weight: 2809lbs : WTF?
Gas mileage : 20mpg with a Standard transmission?

2002 Chevrolet Camaro, which weighs 3439lbs, makes 310hp at 5200rpm and 340ft-lbs at 4000rpm. This is a 5.7L V8, compared to the displacement of the S2000 at 2.0L (4 cylinder).

The Camaro is larger in every aspect (length, width, wheel base, overall body size, engine size, etc)... it has nearly TRIPLE the displacement as the Honda S2000 does, yet it gets 18mpg with an automatic transmission.

The S2000 is approximately ten thousand U.S. dollars more expensive than the Chevy Cam.

woah.

Funny thing is, the S2000 has more leg room than the Camaro.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Better apperance, more reliable, better warranty, better resale, convertible, better handling, and of course it has a red start button.

 

[CFster]

This is the last year for the Camaro...

 

[Ultima]

LMAO.. 3 times the displacement and gas mileage is about the same. I bet that V8 will last a lot longer too, since it doesn't have to rev at 8000 RPM to make power.

 

[BCYL]

The Honda S2000 has the highest N/A hp/L output in the world (120hp/L), and it also has a perfect 50/50 front and back weight distribution...

Overall it's just a fun car to drive... handles great, fast (if you drive it hard), and can rev to 10,000rpm right out from the factory...

 

[Vegito]

It's pretty amazing to crank out 240 HP from a 4 cylinder. So you need a 5.7 v8 to crank out 310 hp ? So if you triple the displacement of a Honda but only cranking out 70 more hp ?

240 / 2.0 = 120HP / Litre
310 / 5.7 = 54.38HP / Litre

Unless your some Arab prince that loves American car that sucks gas.. I wouldn't take the Camaro

 

[tigerbait]

drive one and you'll see

it's a very nice car.... regardless what the numbers tell you


my dad has an S2000

 

[BCYL]

Originally posted by: Ultima
LMAO.. 3 times the displacement and gas mileage is about the same. I bet that V8 will last a lot longer too, since it doesn't have to rev at 8000 RPM to make power.

I wouldnt bet on it... The S2000 engine was designed to rev that high... The engine internals were reinforced to support such rpm's... so it's perfectly safe...

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: forcesho
It's pretty amazing to crank out 240 HP from a 4 cylinder. So you need a 5.7 v8 to crank out 310 hp ? So if you triple the displacement of a Honda but only cranking out 70 more hp ?

240 / 2.0 = 120HP / Litre
310 / 5.7 = 54.38HP / Litre

Unless your some Arab prince that loves American car that sucks gas.. I wouldn't take the Camaro

You can kiss ass to HP/L all day long, but 310 > 240.

End of story.

Viper GTS

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

try driving an s2000. it handles ten times better than a camero. Also, 240HP out of 2.0 liter 4 banger. that's 60hp per cylinder, or 120HP per liter.

The Camero is 38.75HP per cylinder, or 54.38HP per liter.

The s2000 get's it's rep on being the most hp per liter or cylinder of any N.A car in mass production.

I like the look of the car, but i don't want to have to drive it at redline to get all the power. That's why i like my Spec. It's a 2800lb 4 door with 180lb ft of torque at 3,200rpm

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: forcesho
It's pretty amazing to crank out 240 HP from a 4 cylinder. So you need a 5.7 v8 to crank out 310 hp ? So if you triple the displacement of a Honda but only cranking out 70 more hp ?

240 / 2.0 = 120HP / Litre
310 / 5.7 = 54.38HP / Litre

Unless your some Arab prince that loves American car that sucks gas.. I wouldn't take the Camaro

You can kiss ass to HP/L all day long, but 310 > 240.

End of story.

Viper GTS

Camaro = f*&king DEAD!
S2000 = alive and kicking.

END OF STORY!

 

[zCypher]

Ladies, please. I'm not saying the S2000 isn't a NICE car. I'm not saying I'd never consider one. I'm not saying it's ugly. I'm not saying it's SLOW. I'm not saying it's unreliable. I'm not saying anything bad about it. I'm just wondering what all the commotion about the car is, and making a fun little comparison.

That is rather interesting though, don't you think? Triple displacement yet just as good gas mileage. So the S2000 can rev to 10k out of the factory ... umm, yay? You won't have a nice car for long if you do that all day.

But yeah it is a nice car. No arguing that. It would be a lot nicer if it was $10k cheaper though.

 

[zCypher]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
try driving an s2000. it handles ten times better than a camero. Also, 240HP out of 2.0 liter 4 banger. that's 60hp per cylinder, or 120HP per liter.

The Camero is 38.75HP per cylinder, or 54.38HP per liter.

The s2000 get's it's rep on being the most hp per liter or cylinder of any N.A car in mass production.

I like the look of the car, but i don't want to have to drive it at redline to get all the power. That's why i like my Spec. It's a 2800lb 4 door with 180lb ft of torque at 3,200rpm

Someone who understand perfectly. finally.

although, I don't really give a rats ass how many horses it makes per litre. Hondas are reliable, whether they make 50, 100, 120, or 10,000HP per litre christ! And AFAIK some of those american made V8 engines can take quite a beating, but correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[GasX]

If I want to run my engine at >8000 rpm, I'll get a Sport Bike...

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: forcesho
It's pretty amazing to crank out 240 HP from a 4 cylinder. So you need a 5.7 v8 to crank out 310 hp ? So if you triple the displacement of a Honda but only cranking out 70 more hp ?

240 / 2.0 = 120HP / Litre
310 / 5.7 = 54.38HP / Litre

Unless your some Arab prince that loves American car that sucks gas.. I wouldn't take the Camaro

You can kiss ass to HP/L all day long, but 310 > 240.

End of story.

Viper GTS

Bingo. More hp is more hp no matter how "inefficient" you are in getting it. Yes, Chevy could get more power out of the Camaro's engine, but the fact remains that it still makes more power in total, and total power is all that matters.

ZV

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: forcesho
It's pretty amazing to crank out 240 HP from a 4 cylinder. So you need a 5.7 v8 to crank out 310 hp ? So if you triple the displacement of a Honda but only cranking out 70 more hp ?

240 / 2.0 = 120HP / Litre
310 / 5.7 = 54.38HP / Litre

Unless your some Arab prince that loves American car that sucks gas.. I wouldn't take the Camaro

You can kiss ass to HP/L all day long, but 310 > 240.

End of story.

Viper GTS

spoken like a true numbers geek. Try driving the two cars. I've driven 500HP trans ams, and cool as it is to have the power, it get's boring when the body of the car rolls when i turn, and it can't make tight precise turns.
Speed only goes so far(1/4 mile track) everything else a car is designed with is what works for everyday driving, and circuit driving.

Case is a vid i've seen of two 80, AE86 turinos(110hp car) passing a r34 skyline on a road track. Numbers only mean something in a straight line. Driver, suspension are where it really matters.

 

[BatmanNate]

I don't find the idea of having all of the power up at 8300 RPM very thrilling, I don't like cars that have to rev up so far. If I were in the market for a small, well distributed car with some power it'd be a Porsche or an MR2. Oh yeah, and the Camaro is still faster.

There is somebody on this forum that drives an S2000, he might be able to help you out more.

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: forcesho
It's pretty amazing to crank out 240 HP from a 4 cylinder. So you need a 5.7 v8 to crank out 310 hp ? So if you triple the displacement of a Honda but only cranking out 70 more hp ?

240 / 2.0 = 120HP / Litre
310 / 5.7 = 54.38HP / Litre

Unless your some Arab prince that loves American car that sucks gas.. I wouldn't take the Camaro

You can kiss ass to HP/L all day long, but 310 > 240.

End of story.

Viper GTS

Bingo. More hp is more hp no matter how "inefficient" you are in getting it. Yes, Chevy could get more power out of the Camaro's engine, but the fact remains that it still makes more power in total, and total power is all that matters.

ZV

Not.

That defies all logic.

Obviously the less weight that horsepower needs to propel, the faster it will go. Why do you think they came out with aluminum engine blocks and heads...

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

I don't see why people knock Camaro's handling so much

I've had 2 and have loved the way they drive.

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: forcesho
It's pretty amazing to crank out 240 HP from a 4 cylinder. So you need a 5.7 v8 to crank out 310 hp ? So if you triple the displacement of a Honda but only cranking out 70 more hp ?

240 / 2.0 = 120HP / Litre
310 / 5.7 = 54.38HP / Litre

Unless your some Arab prince that loves American car that sucks gas.. I wouldn't take the Camaro

You can kiss ass to HP/L all day long, but 310 > 240.

End of story.

Viper GTS

Actually, what matters is HP to LB.

Honda S2000 = 11.7 lb per HP.
Camaro = 11.09 lb per HP

The Camaro wins. Plus, the power of the S2000 comes in at what? 6000rpm when the cam changes? There is a lot of real estate between 1k and 6k. Also, the torque of the 5.7 lays the smackdown on the S2000. IMHO torque > HP. Take the engine from a CART car and put it in a Dodge Ram. Can the Ram now do 200+ MPH? Nope. Well, maybe. but it will take 240 years to get past 60 because of the weight that engine is trying to push. Those engines are so oversquare it is not even funny.

I would still rather drive an s2000 over a Camaro. Gotta love the Start Button I saw that when it was still in the drawing books, and thought "wow, I hope that stays in, but it never will." I actually went to a dealer to see abotu getting one, but they were charging 8k over MSRP. Hell no.

 

[BatmanNate]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: forcesho
It's pretty amazing to crank out 240 HP from a 4 cylinder. So you need a 5.7 v8 to crank out 310 hp ? So if you triple the displacement of a Honda but only cranking out 70 more hp ?

240 / 2.0 = 120HP / Litre
310 / 5.7 = 54.38HP / Litre

Unless your some Arab prince that loves American car that sucks gas.. I wouldn't take the Camaro

You can kiss ass to HP/L all day long, but 310 > 240.

End of story.

Viper GTS

spoken like a true numbers geek. Try driving the two cars. I've driven 500HP trans ams, and cool as it is to have the power, it get's boring when the body of the car rolls when i turn, and it can't make tight precise turns.
Speed only goes so far(1/4 mile track) everything else a car is designed with is what works for everyday driving, and circuit driving.

Case is a vid i've seen of two 80, AE86 turinos(110hp car) passing a r34 skyline on a road track. Numbers only mean something in a straight line. Driver, suspension are where it really matters.

All the ricers that drive slow cars say that. If you can't go fast, you might as well be able to turn fast. Unless you drive a Sentra.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: forcesho
It's pretty amazing to crank out 240 HP from a 4 cylinder. So you need a 5.7 v8 to crank out 310 hp ? So if you triple the displacement of a Honda but only cranking out 70 more hp ?

240 / 2.0 = 120HP / Litre
310 / 5.7 = 54.38HP / Litre

Unless your some Arab prince that loves American car that sucks gas.. I wouldn't take the Camaro

You can kiss ass to HP/L all day long, but 310 > 240.

End of story.

Viper GTS

Bingo. More hp is more hp no matter how "inefficient" you are in getting it. Yes, Chevy could get more power out of the Camaro's engine, but the fact remains that it still makes more power in total, and total power is all that matters.

ZV

Not.

That defies all logic.

Obviously the less weight that horsepower needs to propel, the faster it will go. Why do you think they came out with aluminum engine blocks and heads...

Camaro beats it in hp to weight also...

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: forcesho
It's pretty amazing to crank out 240 HP from a 4 cylinder. So you need a 5.7 v8 to crank out 310 hp ? So if you triple the displacement of a Honda but only cranking out 70 more hp ?

240 / 2.0 = 120HP / Litre
310 / 5.7 = 54.38HP / Litre

Unless your some Arab prince that loves American car that sucks gas.. I wouldn't take the Camaro

You can kiss ass to HP/L all day long, but 310 > 240.

End of story.

Viper GTS

Bingo. More hp is more hp no matter how "inefficient" you are in getting it. Yes, Chevy could get more power out of the Camaro's engine, but the fact remains that it still makes more power in total, and total power is all that matters.

ZV

Total power is NOT all that matters. Power to weight ratio is what matters. A Porsche Boxster S has less horsepower and torque than a Nissan 350Z yet is is faster...mainly due to the fact that it weighs about 500 lbs less.

 

[Evadman]

spoken like a true numbers geek. Try driving the two cars. I've driven 500HP trans ams, and cool as it is to have the power, it get's boring when the body of the car rolls when i turn, and it can't make tight precise turns.
Speed only goes so far(1/4 mile track) everything else a car is designed with is what works for everyday driving, and circuit driving.

Case is a vid i've seen of two 80, AE86 turinos(110hp car) passing a r34 skyline on a road track. Numbers only mean something in a straight line. Driver, suspension are where it really matters.

What about the Vid I have somewhere of a S2000 taking a quick left off a mountain road into a few trees and flipping over?

 

[CFster]

There must be a reason why those F1 guys have motors that spin to 19,000. Let see, the top form of autoracing with unlimited budgets - what would be the fastest formula?

Small, lightweight and makes a ton of horsepower.

You Camaro guys enjoy it while it lasts. Last of a dying breed...