Actually for $5,000...
Heads/Cams = 2600
Headers = 600 (Jet Hot)
X or H pipe = 250
4.10 or 3.73 gears = 500
Lid and polished TB = 220
ET street = 400
= $4570 = 400+ RWHP & 400+ RWTQ = 11 sec car.
Originally posted by: TrueBlueLS
There's no big deal about the Honda S2K. Considering you are all wanting to compare it to a Camaro, let's do so. Say for example an intake... If you were to put a LID onto a Camaro with a LS1, you would definitely see some nice gains from it. If you were to put a high quality intake on the S2K, do you think you would see the gains out of a motor that's been built up? I don't think so. Also... take a look at aftermarket for both of these cars. IIRC, the Camaro has been around a lot longer than any Honda. For the extra $5000 you'd spend for a base model S2K, your LS1 equipped Camaro could have a rear end upgrade, LID, headers, slicks, a nice bottle from Nitrous Express and still have money left to spare. Now you do want to challenge the LS1 350 to a piece of crap Honda VTEC motor?
Originally posted by: Yield
Originally posted by: Rent
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Rent
Originally posted by: Hamburgerpimp
Hah, hah, hah...yeah, those Honda engines - they're not reliable at all...
So why do Honda and Acura have better resale values than any American Car or Truck made?
Don't compare apples to oranges. American trucks have great resale value compared to import "trucks" (ha-ha)
And s2k's aren't even that reliable either... alot of the Honda guys blow their motors or blow up their clutches trying to race them.
Bullsh!t
A Toyota Tundra or Tacoma will have higer resale value than either of its comparable domestic bretheren.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=CARCON.story&STORY=/www/story/01-06-2003/0001865997&EDATE=MON+Jan+06+2003,+05:00+AM
Resale values for the Tundra compared to its competition:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2002/toyota/tundra/4draccesscabsr54wdsb47l8cyl4a/tco.html
Resale values for the Tacoma compared to its competition:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2003/toyota/tacoma/2drregularcab4wdsb27l4cyl4a/tco.html
Where's YOUR evidence?
My evidence is my local newspaper. I could give less than a flying fvck what some editor at a website thinks, I'll go buy what I KNOW to be reliable.
Remember, its different down here in Texas. People actually use their trucks sometimes here ;o
how could you KNOW the car if you dont own one... if they blow engines, don't you now KNOW that?
Honda is normally reliable. but this high performance engine is not as good as some.
much like owners of BMW M3 are blowing up their engines, and creating quite a fuss about it.
people KNOW those cars to be sweet, but sh!t happens to a certain model here and there.
Originally posted by: Ultima
Originally posted by: BCYL
The Honda S2000 has the highest N/A hp/L output in the world (120hp/L), and it also has a perfect 50/50 front and back weight distribution...
Overall it's just a fun car to drive... handles great, fast (if you drive it hard), and can rev to 10,000rpm right out from the factory...
WOW... Highest N/A output in the world.. I'm impressed... not!
Output per liter is irrelevant! Power is power, and torque is torque! Who cares how many liters it took? When you look at the gas that it's consuming, it barely does better than the camaro even though the camaro has 3x the displacement and 600lbs more weight. Consider that the V8 will last a lot longer since it's not stretched out so much. The S2000's gas mileage is pretty pathetic, considering that the Camaro's V8 makes a lot more power from about the same amount of gasoline..
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
spoken like a true numbers geek. Try driving the two cars. I've driven 500HP trans ams, and cool as it is to have the power, it get's boring when the body of the car rolls when i turn, and it can't make tight precise turns.Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Originally posted by: forcesho
It's pretty amazing to crank out 240 HP from a 4 cylinder. So you need a 5.7 v8 to crank out 310 hp ? So if you triple the displacement of a Honda but only cranking out 70 more hp ?
240 / 2.0 = 120HP / Litre
310 / 5.7 = 54.38HP / Litre
Unless your some Arab prince that loves American car that sucks gas.. I wouldn't take the Camaro
You can kiss ass to HP/L all day long, but 310 > 240.
End of story.
Viper GTS
Speed only goes so far(1/4 mile track) everything else a car is designed with is what works for everyday driving, and circuit driving.
Case is a vid i've seen of two 80, AE86 turinos(110hp car) passing a r34 skyline on a road track. Numbers only mean something in a straight line. Driver, suspension are where it really matters.
All the ricers that drive slow cars say that. If you can't go fast, you might as well be able to turn fast. Unless you drive a Sentra.
Originally posted by: zCypher
Ladies, please. I'm not saying the S2000 isn't a NICE car. I'm not saying I'd never consider one. I'm not saying it's ugly. I'm not saying it's SLOW. I'm not saying it's unreliable. I'm not saying anything bad about it. I'm just wondering what all the commotion about the car is, and making a fun little comparison.
That is rather interesting though, don't you think? Triple displacement yet just as good gas mileage. So the S2000 can rev to 10k out of the factory ... umm, yay? You won't have a nice car for long if you do that all day.
But yeah it is a nice car. No arguing that. It would be a lot nicer if it was $10k cheaper though.
Originally posted by: LAUST
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Different strokes for different folks. Some people like the hearty growl and thrust that a V8 provides, some want the light weight flick of the wrist driving dynamics the high reving lightweight S2000 provides.
Neither one is a "better" than the other because they are driven for different types of kicks.
Originally posted by: SlowSS
Originally posted by: TrueBlueLS
There's no big deal about the Honda S2K. Considering you are all wanting to compare it to a Camaro, let's do so. Say for example an intake... If you were to put a LID onto a Camaro with a LS1, you would definitely see some nice gains from it. If you were to put a high quality intake on the S2K, do you think you would see the gains out of a motor that's been built up? I don't think so. Also... take a look at aftermarket for both of these cars. IIRC, the Camaro has been around a lot longer than any Honda. For the extra $5000 you'd spend for a base model S2K, your LS1 equipped Camaro could have a rear end upgrade, LID, headers, slicks, a nice bottle from Nitrous Express and still have money left to spare. Now you do want to challenge the LS1 350 to a piece of crap Honda VTEC motor?
Actually for $5,000...
Heads/Cams = 2600
Headers = 600 (Jet Hot)
X or H pipe = 250
4.10 or 3.73 gears = 500
Lid and polished TB = 220
ET street = 400
= $4570 = 400+ RWHP & 400+ RWTQ = 11 sec car.
Originally posted by: slikmunks
Originally posted by: Ultima
Originally posted by: BCYL
The Honda S2000 has the highest N/A hp/L output in the world (120hp/L), and it also has a perfect 50/50 front and back weight distribution...
Overall it's just a fun car to drive... handles great, fast (if you drive it hard), and can rev to 10,000rpm right out from the factory...
WOW... Highest N/A output in the world.. I'm impressed... not!
Output per liter is irrelevant! Power is power, and torque is torque! Who cares how many liters it took? When you look at the gas that it's consuming, it barely does better than the camaro even though the camaro has 3x the displacement and 600lbs more weight. Consider that the V8 will last a lot longer since it's not stretched out so much. The S2000's gas mileage is pretty pathetic, considering that the Camaro's V8 makes a lot more power from about the same amount of gasoline..
looking at gas mileage consumption is great and all, but if you're going to spend lots of money on a car, and have loads of fun driving it regardless, what's the big deal with gas consumption? my car eats gas like a mofo too... 1.3L eating a gallon for every 18 miles... but i still love my car and wouldn't consider it pathetic in respect to a camaro with a v8 just because i'm using the same gas to put out 190 to the wheels compared to the 310 at the fly... big whoop
Originally posted by: Ultima
Originally posted by: slikmunks
Originally posted by: Ultima
Originally posted by: BCYL
The Honda S2000 has the highest N/A hp/L output in the world (120hp/L), and it also has a perfect 50/50 front and back weight distribution...
Overall it's just a fun car to drive... handles great, fast (if you drive it hard), and can rev to 10,000rpm right out from the factory...
WOW... Highest N/A output in the world.. I'm impressed... not!
Output per liter is irrelevant! Power is power, and torque is torque! Who cares how many liters it took? When you look at the gas that it's consuming, it barely does better than the camaro even though the camaro has 3x the displacement and 600lbs more weight. Consider that the V8 will last a lot longer since it's not stretched out so much. The S2000's gas mileage is pretty pathetic, considering that the Camaro's V8 makes a lot more power from about the same amount of gasoline..
looking at gas mileage consumption is great and all, but if you're going to spend lots of money on a car, and have loads of fun driving it regardless, what's the big deal with gas consumption? my car eats gas like a mofo too... 1.3L eating a gallon for every 18 miles... but i still love my car and wouldn't consider it pathetic in respect to a camaro with a v8 just because i'm using the same gas to put out 190 to the wheels compared to the 310 at the fly... big whoop
Ah, yeah, but I was just refuting the notion that hp/liter has anything to do with efficiency. If you want to talk efficiency, then you'd have to talk about hp/gallon
S2000's 2.0 and Camaro's V8 have similar gas usage, but the V8 makes more power and a LOT more torque, and will last longer (more surface area to wear, and less hp/liter. Generally, the more hp/liter an engine makes, the less life it will give you, assuming you actually use that power. Yes, honda engines are very reliable when you keep them under 3000 rpm, which you can't do if you want power!).
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Originally posted by: Ultima
Originally posted by: slikmunks
Originally posted by: Ultima
Originally posted by: BCYL
The Honda S2000 has the highest N/A hp/L output in the world (120hp/L), and it also has a perfect 50/50 front and back weight distribution...
Overall it's just a fun car to drive... handles great, fast (if you drive it hard), and can rev to 10,000rpm right out from the factory...
WOW... Highest N/A output in the world.. I'm impressed... not!
Output per liter is irrelevant! Power is power, and torque is torque! Who cares how many liters it took? When you look at the gas that it's consuming, it barely does better than the camaro even though the camaro has 3x the displacement and 600lbs more weight. Consider that the V8 will last a lot longer since it's not stretched out so much. The S2000's gas mileage is pretty pathetic, considering that the Camaro's V8 makes a lot more power from about the same amount of gasoline..
looking at gas mileage consumption is great and all, but if you're going to spend lots of money on a car, and have loads of fun driving it regardless, what's the big deal with gas consumption? my car eats gas like a mofo too... 1.3L eating a gallon for every 18 miles... but i still love my car and wouldn't consider it pathetic in respect to a camaro with a v8 just because i'm using the same gas to put out 190 to the wheels compared to the 310 at the fly... big whoop
Ah, yeah, but I was just refuting the notion that hp/liter has anything to do with efficiency. If you want to talk efficiency, then you'd have to talk about hp/gallon
S2000's 2.0 and Camaro's V8 have similar gas usage, but the V8 makes more power and a LOT more torque, and will last longer (more surface area to wear, and less hp/liter. Generally, the more hp/liter an engine makes, the less life it will give you, assuming you actually use that power. Yes, honda engines are very reliable when you keep them under 3000 rpm, which you can't do if you want power!).
The gas mileage of the Camaro is even more impressive considering the weight it hauls around compared to the S2000.
Almost triple the displacement, 50% more HP, 600 lbs of additional weight, & it still gives the S2000 a decent showing in gas mileage.
Not that it means anything for performance of course, but since we seem to be so hung up on efficiency...
Viper GTS
Originally posted by: Rent
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Originally posted by: Ultima
Originally posted by: slikmunks
Originally posted by: Ultima
Originally posted by: BCYL
The Honda S2000 has the highest N/A hp/L output in the world (120hp/L), and it also has a perfect 50/50 front and back weight distribution...
Overall it's just a fun car to drive... handles great, fast (if you drive it hard), and can rev to 10,000rpm right out from the factory...
WOW... Highest N/A output in the world.. I'm impressed... not!
Output per liter is irrelevant! Power is power, and torque is torque! Who cares how many liters it took? When you look at the gas that it's consuming, it barely does better than the camaro even though the camaro has 3x the displacement and 600lbs more weight. Consider that the V8 will last a lot longer since it's not stretched out so much. The S2000's gas mileage is pretty pathetic, considering that the Camaro's V8 makes a lot more power from about the same amount of gasoline..
looking at gas mileage consumption is great and all, but if you're going to spend lots of money on a car, and have loads of fun driving it regardless, what's the big deal with gas consumption? my car eats gas like a mofo too... 1.3L eating a gallon for every 18 miles... but i still love my car and wouldn't consider it pathetic in respect to a camaro with a v8 just because i'm using the same gas to put out 190 to the wheels compared to the 310 at the fly... big whoop
Ah, yeah, but I was just refuting the notion that hp/liter has anything to do with efficiency. If you want to talk efficiency, then you'd have to talk about hp/gallon
S2000's 2.0 and Camaro's V8 have similar gas usage, but the V8 makes more power and a LOT more torque, and will last longer (more surface area to wear, and less hp/liter. Generally, the more hp/liter an engine makes, the less life it will give you, assuming you actually use that power. Yes, honda engines are very reliable when you keep them under 3000 rpm, which you can't do if you want power!).
The gas mileage of the Camaro is even more impressive considering the weight it hauls around compared to the S2000.
Almost triple the displacement, 50% more HP, 600 lbs of additional weight, & it still gives the S2000 a decent showing in gas mileage.
Not that it means anything for performance of course, but since we seem to be so hung up on efficiency...
Viper GTS
Don't trust the factory sticker... if my friend babies his Z28 around town, he gets ~16-17. Its still good for a car that size though
My SS gets 18 in the city and 25 on the highway.Don't trust the factory sticker... if my friend babies his Z28 around town, he gets ~16-17. Its still good for a car that size though
Funny that you don't mention English cars and then say Lotus.Originally posted by: sniperruff
IMO people prefer cars in the following order:
european> japanese> american> korean
it is all what YOU look for in a car. if you're a power freek then go for a vette. if handling is what you want then you would want a lotus.
Originally posted by: sniperruff
you know, i read about 20 posts in this thread, and not ONE person mentioned build quality...
look inside the S2000 and you will know. nice leather seats, well-designed clusters, nice body design, nice color combinations
then look inside a regular camaro. cheap, ugly, gray GM leather seats. punk-look long nose, plasticky inside, and what kinda camaro looks good except the red or black one? maroon? green? ugly colors IMO
even not looking at the mechanical aspects, you can see the S2000 is a nicely designed car that have been in development for years and built with quality parts. camaro, is just a big piece of metal with 4 wheels and a 8 cylinder block put together in haste to attract college kids with a low budget.
if power is so important then why do people buy a NSX instead of a vette? why a boxter over a camaro SS? why a BMW 3 series but not maxima for that matter?
not to flame any american car fans but look at the new car designs that GM have put out. a pickup/coupe hybrid??? or a $40000 thunderbird with 252 horses? or the new ugly chevy's with the bootleg retro design?
IMO people prefer cars in the following order:
european> japanese> american> korean
it is all what YOU look for in a car. if you're a power freek then go for a vette. if handling is what you want then you would want a lotus.
It's a domestic, they are all the same... didn't you know they don't even have steering wheels to turn, you have to lean in your car and reach out and put your foot on the wheels to brake whatever direction you want to steerOriginally posted by: Millennium
Umm... GM has never made the Thunderbird. Smoke crack much?
Do they now? I'm sorry I'm so stuck in the pastOriginally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
i thought they used rudders and sails?