What's the big deal about the Honda S2000?

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: SlowSS
Hmmm, interesting comment by R&T.

Out on the open road, the SS proves it's more than just a straight-line performer.
Thanks to wider 275/40ZR-17 Goodyear F1 tires, a stiffer shock/spring package and
a larger front anti-roll bar than the standard Camaro, the SS handles exceedingly well
for a car considered by many as "low-tech." Overall grip and predictability are good,
and after getting over the rather high ride height, you can push the car with
an increased degree of confidence.

At the racetrack, the SS raised more than a few eyebrows.
Everyone expected it to rocket down the straights, but it ended up cornering
well too ? proof that high tech isn't necessarily the only show in town.
While it certainly could work better over bumps and through quick transitions,
the SS is generally stable, predictable and as such, surprisingly fast.
Grip doesn't measure up to the sticks-like-glue adhesion of the Z06,
but with less power, it's not as big an issue.

Dude stop with the FACTS!!! you are gonna scare the desktop and playstation racers away!!

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: SlowSS
Hmmm, interesting comment by R&T.

Out on the open road, the SS proves it's more than just a straight-line performer.
Thanks to wider 275/40ZR-17 Goodyear F1 tires, a stiffer shock/spring package and
a larger front anti-roll bar than the standard Camaro, the SS handles exceedingly well
for a car considered by many as "low-tech." Overall grip and predictability are good,
and after getting over the rather high ride height, you can push the car with
an increased degree of confidence.

At the racetrack, the SS raised more than a few eyebrows.
Everyone expected it to rocket down the straights, but it ended up cornering
well too ? proof that high tech isn't necessarily the only show in town.
While it certainly could work better over bumps and through quick transitions,
the SS is generally stable, predictable and as such, surprisingly fast.
Grip doesn't measure up to the sticks-like-glue adhesion of the Z06,
but with less power, it's not as big an issue.

Dude stop with the FACTS!!! you are gonna scare the desktop and playstation racers away!!

Oh, I'm sorry. I certainly don't want to chase away all these S2000 owners who are so informed.

 

[AncientPC]

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: sniperruff

i know that GM doesn't make t-birds. i don't care for whether it's GM or ford or whatever. i put them in one big category known as AMERICAN CARS

We put you in one huge catagory known as TROLL

that was mean and uncalled for. ford and GM are both american car companies. now tell me that is wrong[/quote]
Yes they are both American Cars, which you automatically put into a catagory that ZERO of their vehicles produced are any good. Yes there are MODELS of GM that I do not like and would never own, but there are also models that are superior to import counterparts (Trucks, Vette), I and many others here have the ability to break models down to pro's and con's, Yeah the NSX is nice but how much does it cost? and why does the Z06 automatically handle just okay? From the events I've been to they handle great, the only thing people are doing is replacing the diff and brake fluid with higher grade fluids.

You say "it's what YOU want in a car", but yet all you list is biased opinions and just steriotype every domestic car instantly, hmmm thats funny. Where is the proof that Vette's are only good for pure power?[/quote]

It comes from people who haven't drove a Vette and like to jump on the bandwagon and quote what other people say. Kind of like how domestic drivers try to drive small displacement engines like their domestic, then comment on how little power they have on the low end. That's how the mother f$#@ing car's designed.

All that miles per gallon quote is pure crap too, it all depends on how you drive. When I drive my Prelude up to Dallas / Austin on I-35, I get 28 mpg because I leave it in 5th and stay at 75mph. I know it's possible to get just as high mpg with a Vette driving in low 6th gear most of the way.

 

[sniperruff]

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: sniperruff

i know that GM doesn't make t-birds. i don't care for whether it's GM or ford or whatever. i put them in one big category known as AMERICAN CARS

We put you in one huge catagory known as TROLL

that was mean and uncalled for. ford and GM are both american car companies. now tell me that is wrong[/quote]
Yes they are both American Cars, which you automatically put into a catagory that ZERO of their vehicles produced are any good. Yes there are MODELS of GM that I do not like and would never own, but there are also models that are superior to import counterparts (Trucks, Vette), I and many others here have the ability to break models down to pro's and con's, Yeah the NSX is nice but how much does it cost? and why does the Z06 automatically handle just okay? From the events I've been to they handle great, the only thing people are doing is replacing the diff and brake fluid with higher grade fluids.

You say "it's what YOU want in a car", but yet all you list is biased opinions and just steriotype every domestic car instantly, hmmm thats funny. Where is the proof that Vette's are only good for pure power?[/quote]

note in my post i have never said that american cars suck. that is your stereotype that when people say AMERICAN CAR then you think that people refer to them as inferior automobiles. now that is YOUR stereotype, not mine

as a matter of fact, i think that ford focus is better than sentra, pontiac grand prix is better than camry, among many other american cars that are nice

the fact that i have pointed out what is wrong with the camaro instantly makes me like japanese cars is also wrong. both america and japan can make great cars and crap cars. i have just stuck to the thread title that IMO S2000 is a better car than camaro due to its better build quality, and have also pointed out some examples that some american cars are also poorly-built. the part that i forgot to say how some japanese cars also suck makes me a japanese-car hugger. nice.

and i haven't even mentioned that a corvette handles poorly. i just said that the NSX is one of the best-handling cars on the road. it is. now stop putting words in my mouth and then attack my opinions.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer
I love how when a car sucks, messageboard critics place so much value on "interior". You know what? The interior of my 240sx sucks, and I don't give a damn because when I'm in it I drive. I don't sit there and look at the "interior".

Watchu talkin' about Willis?? The interior on the S14 kicks ass. Its functional and looks quite good.
good looking interior

btw, LAUST, Nissan is gonna offer a S/C V8 and a Cummins diesel for the Titan in the next few years.

And about the S2K and Camaro comparision. Both are good cars in their own way. Leave it at that.

 

[LikeLinus]

I think that road and track article about killed this whole SS is better than S2000 argument.

Chevrolet Camaro SS
Price as tested $30,025
Engine type 5.7-liter ohv V-8
Horsepower 325 bhp @ 5200 rpm
Torque 345 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm
Transmission 6-speed manual
Tires Goodyear F1, 275/40ZR-17
0?60 mph 5.5 sec
Braking 60?0 129 ft
Lap time 2 minutes, 16.46 sec
Slalom 60.0 mph
Skidpad 0.87g

Honda S2000
Price as tested $32,477
Engine type 2.0-liter dohc 16V inline-4
Horsepower 240 bhp @ 8300 rpm
Torque 153 lb-ft @ 7500 rpm
Transmission 6-speed manual
Tires Bridgestone Potenza S-02; 205/55R-16 89W f, 225/50R-16 92W r
0?60 mph 4.9 sec
Braking 60?0 134 ft
Lap time 2 minutes, 17.66 sec
Slalom 65.9 mph
Skidpad 0.90g


S2000 has a quicker 0-60 AND has better Skidpad. It also went through the Slalom at 5.9MPH quicker. The lap times were .8 seconds different (Camaro winning).

The problem is this is against an SS which has more TRQ/HP. So against a Z28, the S2000 wins hands down?

From the same publication, run at the same track on the same day and from the same driver.

Numbers speak for themselves?

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
I think that road and track article about killed this whole SS is better than S2000 argument.

Chevrolet Camaro SS
Price as tested $30,025
Engine type 5.7-liter ohv V-8
Horsepower 325 bhp @ 5200 rpm
Torque 345 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm
Transmission 6-speed manual
Tires Goodyear F1, 275/40ZR-17
0?60 mph 5.5 sec
Braking 60?0 129 ft
Lap time 2 minutes, 16.46 sec
Slalom 60.0 mph
Skidpad 0.87g

Honda S2000
Price as tested $32,477
Engine type 2.0-liter dohc 16V inline-4
Horsepower 240 bhp @ 8300 rpm
Torque 153 lb-ft @ 7500 rpm
Transmission 6-speed manual
Tires Bridgestone Potenza S-02; 205/55R-16 89W f, 225/50R-16 92W r
0?60 mph 4.9 sec
Braking 60?0 134 ft
Lap time 2 minutes, 17.66 sec
Slalom 65.9 mph
Skidpad 0.90g


S2000 has a quicker 0-60 AND has better Skidpad. It also went through the Slalom at 5.9MPH quicker. The lap times were .8 seconds different (Camaro winning).

The problem is this is against an SS which has more TRQ/HP. So against a Z28, the S2000 wins hands down?

From the same publication, run at the same track on the same day and from the same driver.

Numbers speak for themselves?

yeah I was gonna say something about that. Isn't a 6 mph difference in slalom considered a total slaughtering?


But like laust says, stop using facts to scare away all the playstation racers!! :Q

 

[LAUST]

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[thomsbrain]

there are some people (lets call them drivers) who like to (gasp!) turn, and enjoy the experience of driving in a precision driving instrument. there are others (lets call them high school football players) who care only about going in a straight line and making a lot of noise while they do it (this probably applies to their lovemaking too).
if you think drag racing is really exciting, by all means, get a camaro. if you like to drive, get an S2000.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
there are some people (lets call them drivers) who like to (gasp!) turn, and enjoy the experience of driving in a precision driving instrument. there are others (lets call them high school football players) who care only about going in a straight line and making a lot of noise while they do it (this probably applies to their lovemaking too).
if you think drag racing is really exciting, by all means, get a camaro. if you like to drive, get an S2000.

You do know that there are Camaros/Firebirds that do well in auto-x right? Sure it might not be the majority of cars, but there are owners to do take their F-bodies to the track with turns or auto-x.

The only I don't like about F-bodies is there sloppy chassis and poor reliabiltiy (as told to me by previous owners of F-bodies).

 

[SlowSS]

0-60 time varies with other publications. I seriously doubt it if S2000 can do 4.9 seconds.

These times were provided by S2000 Road Test. So it varies with publications.
0 - 60 mph [secs] 5.8
0 - 100 mph [secs] 14.9
1/4 mile [secs at mph] 14.4 at 98.0

That said, S2000 handles better on road track, but 1/4 I'll take my SS anytime.

Like some of peeps stated, it is matter of taste and what type of racing you are into.
I like all types of car domestic/imports, one of my favorite car was RX7 that I've had number of years ago.

 

[TrueBlueLS]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: TrueBlueLS

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Who in their right mind would want to own a Z28. It's gotta be one of the cheapest made and ugliest POS on the road. The ONLY thing going for it is the motor. The interior is a joke. My wife's dad had an SS for "fun" and OMG it practically fell apart and was the biggest POS on the inside and out. He sold it and ended up getting a GM truck (one of the few cars they do right).

You'd have to be a high school student to still think the Z is "cool".

EDIT: but i wouldnt own the S2000 either

So you must drive... a... YUGO! I would have loved to own a Camaro if GM still kept them going by the time I graduated from college (approximately 3.5 years). The only reason I didn't buy one when I went car shopping in July was the simple fact that it would have been too costly for me working and going to school. I'll work with what I have though... an American made engine that'll soon be up to par with the big guys.

You could have bought a used one for half the price of your Cavalier.

I care what now about buying a Yugo? Sorry... but only American made cars I will buy, let alone sit in. Keep mocking the Cavalier... I laugh in your face.

 

[Vegito]

Me either.. rated is 0-60 @ 5.9, maybe if you're a better driver, you might be able to bring it down to 5.4 - 5.5 but a whole second down to 4.9. Highly unlikely

yes there are a lot of different speed recorded, they dont always use the same driver to test the cars and some people drives better than others

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: Jellomancer
I love how when a car sucks, messageboard critics place so much value on "interior". You know what? The interior of my 240sx sucks, and I don't give a damn because when I'm in it I drive. I don't sit there and look at the "interior".

Watchu talkin' about Willis?? The interior on the S14 kicks ass. Its functional and looks quite good.
good looking interior

btw, LAUST, Nissan is gonna offer a S/C V8 and a Cummins diesel for the Titan in the next few years.

And about the S2K and Camaro comparision. Both are good cars in their own way. Leave it at that.

That Titan is lookin sweeter and sweeter by the publication, I can't wait to drop by a dealership and check one out, wow a Diesel in it also , the 5 speed auto sounds like it could be a winner also.

I'm also excited to see the new revision of the Tundra's 4.7 and their new 5.4 (I hope they stick it in their 1/2tons)... the F-150 thats on it's way is lookin great too... All these sweet truck's are coming out of the woodwork!!


And about the S2K and Camaro comparision. Both are good cars in their own way. Leave it at that

Nuff said'

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Here's something to consider, the S2000, although about the same HP/Lb as the Camero, GETS IT'S ASS HANDED TO IT when it comes to accelleration and top speed. And I don't care if you can corner twice as fast, that only means you'll hit a deer at twice the speed. Around where I live 90% of corners I take in my Dakota are visibility limited. Do I care about increasing handling when I won't be able to use it? Not really. Top end horsepower? Who cares if you have to be at 50MPH to feel it, are you gonna downshift to 2nd on the freeway just to feel it? I want it down low where I can feel it from every stop sign, stop light, onramp, and while in 5th. I can feel the torque whenever I want. I got 295LB/ft of it in a smallish truck.

Car and Driver just did a comparison test between the Audi TT, S2000, 350Z, and Mustang Mach 1. The S2000 placed third while the TT lost big because it was the fat kid in gym class. The Mustang and the 350Z were far faster in acceleration, and didn't need a road course to be able to show off thier speed.

"But you can take the S2000 road racing!" Are you GOING to? I can spend $20 and a friday night and go drag racing. I have. Drag racing is quite popular and the torquers almost always kill the twisters. (though the twisters often kill thier half shafts)

And consider that you really should be comparing the S2000 to the Corvette. They're closer in price and in the same class. Think the S2000 can outrun a car w/ 345HP and possibly BETTER handling?

Most car buyers today place the priorities as such:
1: Image
2: Cup holder count
3: Rim size
4: Impressive sounding numbers
5: Cup holder size
...
12: Performance

The Mitsubishi Eclipse is a 3200LB car, but people _THINK_ of it being a small car. The Camero is a 3500LB car but people _THINK_ of it as a big heavy car. Those "little" cars are often not as light as you think. 300LBs won't cover a 100HP deficit unless you're in the 1000HP range.

 

[Shlong]

When a S2000 rolls by, my friends would mention: hey look, S2000. There is no peep from anyone when a Camaro SS goes by, I find this common in most circles.

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: Shlong
When a S2000 rolls by, my friends would mention: hey look, S2000. There is no peep from anyone when a Camaro SS goes by, I find this common in most circles.

And that is fine. Your friends are not the make up of entire population.

Like I said it is just a matter of taste.

I don't think anyone here wants everybody to have same taste or same preference do they?

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: Shlong
When a S2000 rolls by, my friends would mention: hey look, S2000. There is no peep from anyone when a Camaro SS goes by, I find this common in most circles.

and that matters because?

if a Lada rolled by, people would point and say "Hey look, a LADA!".

 

[TrueBlueLS]

Originally posted by: Shlong
When a S2000 rolls by, my friends would mention: hey look, S2000. There is no peep from anyone when a Camaro SS goes by, I find this common in most circles.

That'll wear off as soon as everyone buys one because they think it's the next big "sports" car.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: Jellomancer
I love how when a car sucks, messageboard critics place so much value on "interior". You know what? The interior of my 240sx sucks, and I don't give a damn because when I'm in it I drive. I don't sit there and look at the "interior".

Watchu talkin' about Willis?? The interior on the S14 kicks ass. Its functional and looks quite good.
good looking interior

btw, LAUST, Nissan is gonna offer a S/C V8 and a Cummins diesel for the Titan in the next few years.

And about the S2K and Camaro comparision. Both are good cars in their own way. Leave it at that.

Dude... our 240sxes have no cupholders. Wtf is that? I have to put my drinks in the glove compartment or else I can't shift. And the seats suck. My neck hurts after a 150 mile trip .

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Dude... our 240sxes have no cupholders. Wtf is that? I have to put my drinks in the glove compartment or else I can't shift. And the seats suck. My neck hurts after a 150 mile trip .

Don't you have those old cup holders that you roll up in the window

 

[Shlong]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: Shlong
When a S2000 rolls by, my friends would mention: hey look, S2000. There is no peep from anyone when a Camaro SS goes by, I find this common in most circles.

and that matters because?

if a Lada rolled by, people would point and say "Hey look, a LADA!".

A Lada in that it's unique, a S2000 in that it's a great car.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

"But you can take the S2000 road racing!" Are you GOING to? I can spend $20 and a friday night and go drag racing. I have. Drag racing is quite popular and the torquers almost always kill the twisters. (though the twisters often kill thier half shafts)

Just cause you're a pussy ass driver who can only drive his car in a straight line doesn't mean everyone else is.

go to a track

It's a hundred bucks.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: LAUST

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Dude... our 240sxes have no cupholders. Wtf is that? I have to put my drinks in the glove compartment or else I can't shift. And the seats suck. My neck hurts after a 150 mile trip .

Don't you have those old cup holders that you roll up in the window

No... what are you talking about?
Actually it has what Nissan calls a cupholder... a rectangular box behind the shifter. It works for short drinks, but anything bigger than 5" and it gets in the way so I can't shift.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: Shlong
When a S2000 rolls by, my friends would mention: hey look, S2000. There is no peep from anyone when a Camaro SS goes by, I find this common in most circles.

and that matters because?

if a Lada rolled by, people would point and say "Hey look, a LADA!".

A Lada in that it's unique, a S2000 in that it's a great car.

No... when I see an S2000 I notice it because it's unique.