Whats the diff between an assault rifle & a rifle w/hi-cap mag?

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sourn

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Ding ding ding,

Guns have one function which is to murder, maim, and destroy. Those who own a gun own a weapon that causes devestation to those around it.

Hold on what? I'm gonna sue my gun that mother (beep). It was all it's fault my mother got cancer and die! I freaking knew it! I knew it was the reason that my friend got killed in a damn car accident!

Stupid damn gun I'm gonna call the cops and have it thrown in prison or at the very least sue the piss out of it till it can't afford any more bullets.

MORON!

I say we chop off everybody arms (body part just to be clear) because they kill just as damn near as many if not more people then rifles do!
 

irishScott

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Ding ding ding,

Guns have one function which is to murder, maim, and destroy. Those who own a gun own a weapon that causes devestation to those around it.

Yes, in my case the function is to murder, maim and destroy paper targets; and potentially any bad guy retarded enough to threaten my life/property.

Oddly enough, I first learned to shoot at Boy Scout Camp, in elementary school, with lots of other little kids. Guess it was just a miracle none of us started shooting each other!

Seriously, can someone tie DCal to a chair and put a loaded rifle on his lap? Then just leave him there for a day. He'd probably die of dehydration from repeatably wetting himself. I swear a CCW holder could save his life and he'd call the person the embodiment of evil.
 

Darwin333

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This is the Ruger Mini-14. It uses the same bullets (.223) as the AR-15.



But it's made of wood and obviously doesnt look like an assault rifle that u see on TV.

So is there a definition of assault rifle?

I am pretty sure the detachable mag combined with the flash suppressor make it an "evil assault rifle" under the last AWB.
 

Darwin333

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All guns are the same, the only difference is how many lives they destroy and tears they bring.

Tell that to the guy who during Katrina was forced to watch his wife and young daughter be gang raped. He was avidly anti-gun before then, a family 8 houses down appeared to be the groups original target but the shotgun the husband/father leveled at them as they attempted to jump his fence changed their destination.

If given the choice would you allow events to unfold exactly how they did with the lives of the innocent being destroyed (albeit left alive) or would you prefer the shitbag rapists/child rapists/gang rapists lives be ruined and/or terminated?

Keep in mind, this is during the aftermath of Katrina. There is no other option, even if you could connect a call to the police they simply didn't have the manpower to respond in any reasonable time frame (as in many HOURS if ever not minutes).

So what say you (And I would truly appreciate an actual answer versus simply dodging the question)?
 

micrometers

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Tell that to the guy who during Katrina was forced to watch his wife and young daughter be gang raped. He was avidly anti-gun before then, a family 8 houses down appeared to be the groups original target but the shotgun the husband/father leveled at them as they attempted to jump his fence changed their destination.

If given the choice would you allow events to unfold exactly how they did with the lives of the innocent being destroyed (albeit left alive) or would you prefer the shitbag rapists/child rapists/gang rapists lives be ruined and/or terminated?

Keep in mind, this is during the aftermath of Katrina. There is no other option, even if you could connect a call to the police they simply didn't have the manpower to respond in any reasonable time frame (as in many HOURS if ever not minutes).

So what say you (And I would truly appreciate an actual answer versus simply dodging the question)?

that sounds like a racist urban legend. You have not provided any names.
 

Darwin333

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that sounds like a racist urban legend. You have not provided any names.

I was actually HERE and I have an acquaintance that actually KNOW the poor sap and have actually met him.

I also did not provide the race of the scum that did it, what racist conclusion did your own mind come up with if you don't mind my asking?

Edit: I would have loved to seen how you would have reacted and protected the lives of yourself and your family had you been in a situation such as mine during the aftermath of Katrina. Would you place a sign in your yard announcing your views on guns? Or would you ask me to protect you and yours with mine, which at the time I would have gladly done if it didn't interfere with my main objective of protecting me and mine, despite the fact that you wish that I didn't have that ability? Again, there were absolutely no police to call when the threat arose. You had only yourself and your neighbors to rely on and that is it.

Again, I will ask for an answer to this question as well as my last.
 
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micrometers

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I was actually HERE and I have an acquaintance that actually KNOW the poor sap and have actually met him.

I also did not provide the race of the scum that did it, what racist conclusion did your own mind come up with if you don't mind my asking?

Edit: I would have loved to seen how you would have reacted and protected the lives of yourself and your family had you been in a situation such as mine during the aftermath of Katrina. Would you place a sign in your yard announcing your views on guns? Or would you ask me to protect you and yours with mine, which at the time I would have gladly done if it didn't interfere with my main objective of protecting me and mine, despite the fact that you wish that I didn't have that ability? Again, there were absolutely no police to call when the threat arose. You had only yourself and your neighbors to rely on and that is it.

Again, I will ask for an answer to this question as well as my last.

give a name.
 

micrometers

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No one gives out the name of a rape victim, and the perpetrators likely got away with it.

Dozens of rapes happened after Katrina.

New Orleans has over a 100 rapes a year, even in good years.

You can't even name the dad? Or any suspects? Come on. THis is an urban legend.
 

irishScott

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You can't even name the dad? Or any suspects? Come on. THis is an urban legend.

And a lot of what you posted has been outright lies or patently false. I find it odd you accuse gun owners of paranoia, when you won't even trust the word of someone who has given you no reason to distrust him.
 

irishScott

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Oh and Karmy, not sure if Darwin's story is among these, but here's a report on rapes in the wake of Katrina.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5063796

Law-enforcement authorities dismissed early reports of widespread rapes in New Orleans during the lawless days following Hurricane Katrina. But a growing body of evidence suggests there were more storm-related sexual assaults than previously known.

Female victims, now displaced from New Orleans, are slowly coming forward with a different story than the official one. Two national crime-victims' groups have reported a spike in the number of reported rapes that happened to storm evacuees. The numbers are not dramatic, but they are significant when seen in light of the official number of post-Katrina rapes and attempted rapes: four.

Judy Benitez is executive director of the Louisiana Foundation Against Sexual Assault, a statewide coalition of rape crisis centers. She says as she watched New Orleans descend into chaos after Katrina, she knew what would happen.

"What you had was a situation where you've got a tremendous number of vulnerable people, and then some predatory people who had all of the reasons to take their anger out on someone else," Benitez says. "Drug and alcohol use is another contributing factor, and no police presence to prevent them from doing whatever they wanted to, to whomever they wanted to."

A Rise in Reported Assaults

Concerned over unreported and underreported rapes, her organization, together with the National Sexual Violence Resource Center — which is funded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — created a national database to track sexual assaults that happened after Katrina. In the six weeks since the Web site has been up, with almost no publicity, it has received 42 reports of sexual assaults.

A spokesperson with the Resource Center said the number is steadily growing. Already, these preliminary cases show a high number of gang rapes and rapes by strangers, both unusual characteristics. The 42 reports include assaults that happened inside New Orleans and outside the city, for instance, in host homes.

Another group, Witness Justice, a Maryland-based non-profit that assists victims of violent crimes, claims to have received 156 reports of post-Katrina violent crimes; about a third of those involved sexual assaults.

A Victim's Story

One of the victims is Ms. Lewis, a 46-year-old home health-care worker from New Orleans East, who asked that her first name not be used. She sits on the edge of a bed in a dingy, dimly lit room in a motel in Baton Rouge.

Lewis says she was raped on Monday, Aug. 29, the day of the storm. The account of her rape was verified by a trained forensic nurse at Earl K. Long Hospital in Baton Rouge, where Lewis sought treatment.

Lewis and others had taken refuge in the Redemption Elderly Apartments, in the Irish Channel section of New Orleans. On that first night after the storm, the city had lost power, and she was sleeping in a dark hallway, trying to catch a breeze. It was there, she says, that an unknown man with a handgun sexually assaulted her. She insists other women were raped in the same apartment building over the next four nights, but her claim could not be checked out.

"Some bad things happened, you know. There was nobody there to protect you," Lewis says.

Recalling her attack, she sobs, "They just left us to die. Nobody cared."

After her rape, Lewis says, there were no clinics open, so she washed herself with bleach. "All I could do was pray, pray for rescue, pray that I didn't have any type of transmitted disease," she says.

Lewis says that later in the week, national guardsmen forced evacuees out of the building at gunpoint. They were finally able to leave the city on Saturday. She says she tried to report the assault at the time, but authorities weren't listening.

"The police was stressed out themselves," Lewis says. "They didn't have no food. They didn't have water. They didn't have communication. They didn't have ammunition. The National Guards didn't want to hear it."

Experts say it was the perfect environment to commit a crime, and the worst environment to report a crime. The police department — reeling from desertions, flooding and the immensity of the disaster — was in a survival mode itself. Civil order had completely broken down.

Days of Lawlessness

Anastasia is a petite, 25-year-old hairdresser who asked that her last name be omitted. She contacted the New Orleans police in October and filed a report that she was beaten with a bat and raped on Sept. 6th in broad daylight next to a flooded McDonald's at Gentilly Boulevard and Elysian Fields, near her father's house.

Anastasia says thugs were still wandering the streets of her neighborhood more than a week after the flood. "I didn't see any police officers — I could have gotten away with murder," she says. "It was that terrible. So I can assume what the criminals were thinking, and that's exactly what happened."

Under the best of circumstances, rape is one of the hardest crimes to solve. In New Orleans last year, there was a rape every other day on average. National surveys show that half of all sexual assaults are never reported.

Judy Benitez, of the Louisiana rape crisis group, says the non-report rate would be far higher given the nightmare of Katrina.

"The fact that something wasn't reported to the police doesn't mean it didn't happen," Benitez says. "We know about all the other things that happened, all the thefts, all the robberies. There was all kinds of crime taking place on a much higher level than usual. Why would we think there was less rape typical of any given week in the city? It doesn't make any sense."

Underreported Rapes

Benitez and others interviewed for this report believe that police authorities — who were anxious to discount initially exaggerated reports of mayhem — are downplaying violent crimes that happened in the anarchy after the storm. Lt. Dave Benelli, commander of the sex crimes unit with the New Orleans Police Department, denies that.

"We're not downsizing anything," Benelli says. "I'm telling you the number of reported rapes we had."

Benelli says his team investigated two attempted rapes inside the Superdome, and two additional reports of rapes that happened in the city, one of which was the 25-year-old hairdresser.

When presented with the additional cases collected by victims' advocates groups, Benelli acknowledges that the police simply doesn't know the extent of sex crimes after the storm.

"I admit that rapes are underreported," Benelli says. "I know more sexual assaults took place. I've expressed many times that we're willing to investigate any sexual assaults that happened in this city at any time. We can only deal with what we know."

The California Disaster Medical Assistance Team spent 24 hellish hours inside the Superdome. Team members said they delivered babies, treated gunshot and stab victims, and ultimately fled for their own safety. Commander Dave Lipin says they saw two women who said they'd been raped — different women than those the police attended to. He says his team only saw a fraction of the desperate people who sought assistance.

Lipin says when he arrived in Baton Rouge and turned on the TV, he was surprised by reports of rampant violence in New Orleans. "I think that that was probably over-reported," he says. "And so now I think it's swung the other direction and it's underreported. I don't know why. My sense now is there are victims out there whose stories haven't been heard."

Urging Victims to Come Forward

In an effort to get victims to come forward, the Louisiana Foundation Against Sexual Assault asked Charmaine Neville, a popular New Orleans jazz singer, to tape a public service announcement for national airplay. The spot urges victims to report their assault by calling 1-800-656-HOPE.

Neville says she was sexually assaulted early the morning of Aug. 31st, while she was sleeping on the roof of Drew Elementary School in the Bywater Neighborhood, where she and others had taken refuge. She made a report to a local sheriff's office; it has not yet passed the report on to the New Orleans police.

Meanwhile, Lewis, the 46-year-old home health-care worker, has still not reported her assault to the police, and she has no plans to. Believing the authorities abandoned her after the storm, she wonders why they would care about her now
 
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olds

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.223 is a lower energy 5.56, otherwise they look the same. 5.56 chambers shoot .223 fine. .223 is sometimes cheaper.
And 556 should not be used in lowers uppers manufactured for only 223.
 
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piasabird

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Some weapons are deemed to be classified as Offensive Weapons. For instance the U.S. Amy has a weapon like the AR-15 that can shoot automatic and it is still considered a defensive weapon. However a rocket launcher or a .50 cal Machine Gun would be considered offensive weapons.

The main difference between the AR-15 and the military counterpart is the bullet. The .223 is just normal brass. However, the 5.56 Military round is heat treated in ovens and shellac'ed to make it more waterproof and stronger. The effective range is about out to 1,000 meters or more. I was able to het a few targets at the 1,000 meters on the range. My sight is a little imballanced between my two eyes so I never really was a really great marksman.
 

Tom

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