What's the name of the human experimentations Japanese performed on Koreans and Chinese?

[Tom]

"look at how much the US poured into the rebuilding of germany, and how much did they do to help the brits?? nada."
"the US pours billions and billions into japan, how much did they help Korea, almost nothing, "

Both of these comments, made about US help to Great Britain and Korea after WW2, are wrong.


As far as Japan apologizing for it's part in WW2, I think it serves a useful purpose for the rest of the world if Japan does not apologize, as long as we REMEMBER that they don't.

Much more useful to know the character of a nation, than get an insincere apology.

As far as the USA apologizing for slavery, part of the issue is half of the country sees their ancestors fighting and dying to end slavery, considerably more meaningful than an apology; and the other half doesn't want to believe the inhuman truth about the "genteel way of life" of their ancestors.

 

[J5im8yo]

I'm not trying to flame at anything but I think US is simply the greediest country ever. They have army all over the world and just afraid that they miss something that is going on. Yea! they nuked Japan then help rebuilt it so WTF? They send troops, their boys, and some administration to Japan making it their spy site on rest of Asia. They've once asked Taiwan to be part of the US. Simply greedy I get pissed off everytime I tought about this.

British during the 1500 Age of Explorations history do repeat itself (ring)

 

[J5im8yo]

Wizzz you corrected me about the races in Asia and I am partly wrong because in history vietnam and all the areas around it were ruled under China so was Mongolia. They might be serparate races now but they are directly linked to China. I was wondering the *tatars* during the Middle Ages, were they Mogolians or nomadic tribes of the Southern Siberia they also have asianic looks. However, I cannot understand why Korean and Japanese culture are so similar. The Japanese are a little away from China since there is the sea barrier. However, my friend who lived in Northern China near the Mantua area he say there are koreans who spoke chinese and just walk through the border to Korea many times.

Also is there a need to mention the NBA player and racial superiority or are you just on Hitler's side with all the aryan master race bs? If there is a superior racial group please do tell me. I can also tell you the superiority you're talking about is all a matter of nationalism people feeling proud of their country and those who had achieved and gain honor for their country why not?

Until the mindset of the many ignorant ones change racism never ends and wars rages on

 

[kumanchu]

merrrrrRRrrry christmas

 

[wizzz]

Originally posted by: J5im8yo
Wizzz you corrected me about the races in Asia and I am partly wrong because in history vietnam and all the areas around it were ruled under China so was Mongolia. They might be serparate races now but they are directly linked to China. I was wondering the *tatars* during the Middle Ages, were they Mogolians or nomadic tribes of the Southern Siberia they also have asianic looks. However, I cannot understand why Korean and Japanese culture are so similar. The Japanese are a little away from China since there is the sea barrier. However, my friend who lived in Northern China near the Mantua area he say there are koreans who spoke chinese and just walk through the border to Korea many times.

In my last post I was simply trying to point out that chinese, korean, japanese, whatever are ONE race.
NOT chinese race NOT korean race NOT japanese race. Just Asian.
Same with the whites. americans, canadians, australians, brits, etc are ONE race - caucasian.
There's just three races in the world - african, asian, caucasian. Of course there are those who belong to multiple races because of international marriages but that's a different issue.

You are using the word race to really mean nationality.

Also is there a need to mention the NBA player and racial superiority or are you just on Hitler's side with all the aryan master race bs? If there is a superior racial group please do tell me. I can also tell you the superiority you're talking about is all a matter of nationalism people feeling proud of their country and those who had achieved and gain honor for their country why not?

hmmm... I never said that I was superior or believed that one race is superior to another.
Where's that coming from?
I do not believe there is a single superior race and never implied that there is.
My personal view is that humans all came from the same place and there are ALL the same, regardless of anything. So don't go off and try to make me sound like some racist.

I mentioned about that NBA player because I recently heard about how chinese people felt and some apparently felt "too" proud to even say they are "superior". I can understand the chinese people feeling proud for yao ming. Just that some are going beyond feeling proud, according to a friend I talked to few days ago.

Anyways, I was just trying to relate this to your story. Some are "too" proud about their race that they go and make unfounded statements.

Until the mindset of the many ignorant ones change racism never ends and wars rages on

I agree but why are you saying this here?
Is this in reply to my post or your random thought of the day?
It's coming out of nowhere.

 

[J5im8yo]

Of course there is difference in culture lol. My maternal family and paternal family have a difference in culture. I'm saying if ok for two 3 different totally differenet racial groups why is the language and yes culture so similar.

 

[J5im8yo]

By the way that quote hmmm what you say sparked me to type it down not necessary poiting against you though I'm still a lil pissed about the yaw ming thing unless I am confused. For a chinese man to play in the NBA that is already something to be proud of anyway however if chinese people go out there and brag all day about him acting like they're the best then I say they're bone heads. Proud yes sense of superiority no. I have no better feeling for chinese people throwing trash, spitting, and looking at people like their going nuts than all those others who had complained.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog
I got to this thread a little late but here is what I have to add:

I'm of Japanese descent but lived here in the US practically all my life. I've lived and worked in Japan. I even taught JHS in Japan for 2 years. I am familiar with the history of Unit 731 and horrified at what happened.

As a former teacher in Japan I can tell you they do teach what happened in Asia during WW2. I made sure I read the history textbooks they use just to see. They do talk about Nanking and Korea and the attrocities committed. The passages may not be long but they are there in the textbooks. There was a controversy a couple years ago about whitewashing the WW2 attrocities but that was something extraordinary. The government has something like 50 different history textbooks approved for use in public schools and one small rightwing school district decided to use one that was whitewashed. But because one district used the book, there was an uproar in China and Korea over whitewashing. In the US, it would be similar to some school district using a creationist science book rather than a book that teaches evolution. They are abberations.

I do sympathize to all those who want apologies from Japan though. The Japanese government is ruled by many people from the WW2 generation and is heavily influenced by nationalistic groups. Even when there are Prime Ministers that are willing apologize, pressure from these people and groups tend to overrule their actions. If you are in Tokyo, these nationalists are a very common site. They travel around in big buses with loudspeakers on top screaming nationalistic propaganda. The average Japanese person thinks they are nuts though. I personally think Asia won't get an apology until the last WW2 gen politician dies and a new younger generation of politicians moves in.

War is a bad time. I've read lots of stuff on the cruel things people do to each other during war and conquest. The Japanese aren't alone in commiting these atrocities. After WW2, the Soviets killed millions of Japanese too and not so nicely either.

If you are going to judge the Japanese, I think you should at least separate government policy from its people. In the older generation, I know there are a lot of people that express regret for what the country did to its neighbors. And for the younger generation, I don't think you can blame them just because they are born Japanese.

You should forgive but never forget.

wow, that's a really informative post.. thanks. my mom and dad told me that those nationalistic freaks were still there, but i didn't know whether that was just chinese newspaper propaganda or something.

 

[SuperCyrix]

seeesh....people here sure like pinning the sins of the father on every generation afterwards.

 

[Jombo]

Originally posted by: gopunk
[the DIFFERENCE is that the Germans are apologetic and realize their mistake. JAPAN on the other hand, has YET to apologize for jack sh!t. they STILL do not think they did anything wrong.

I am willing to believe that the Japanese have changed, but they have not done anything to indicate it.

truth be told, this is partly the fault of the Chinese (and Korean and whoever else). Jewish people are very very vocal about the holocaust (well, and they're white) so everybody knows about it. The Asians... not so vocal, so not that many people outside of the Asian community are really aware of what happened, and so Japan has had no pressure to really address this issue. But what the Japanese did is just as horrible as what the Nazis did, and to a larger number of people. Don't let Hello Kitty fool you.

here's my 2 cents, i know i'm late to the post, and it's late tonight, so i can't read through 4 pages of text to bring up an issue at least day and a half old, but why not.

i actually thought of that when Schindler's list came out. I wondered Why can't Koreans or Chinese come up with something like that? but i'm not sure how much of it is actually the "fault" of those people. because you are looking at it with today's perspective in America. but if you look at it, Jewish American has been in the American culture for way longer than their eastern brethren in ww ii atrocities. just look for prominent Jews in American culture vs prominent koreans and Chinese. and no Notorious C.H.O a (horrid example of a Korean women) doesn't count, nor Jet Li's and Jackie Chen's, but they are first in line for the "asian invasion" of American culture.

In America, the view of Asia seems to be that of: Martial arts, rice rockets, small electronics, root of asian fetish for white boys. (other words, in the eyes of pop culture very limited to few things that they excel at.) IMO it is not so much that Asians are not vocal, it is that in the eyes of the public, their cries are still a whisper. But by discussing stuff like this in public, the voice will grow, and who know, eventually there will be a movie out called Kim's list or Chen's list or something but not so cheesy like the title ^^ to bring the focus of the mass public on to such atrocities committed years ago and have the offenders admit their guilt and try to atone for their atrocities.

In those countries, I know that esp in Korea, since I was born there, and lived almost half o my life there, the hatred for the Japanese runs deep, and for a good reason. If someone comes into rape their land, women, strip one of their culture, and try to take away the very essence being a citizen of that country, then pretend like nothing happened, or that it wasn?t a big deal, wouldn?t you be pissed to say the least? They are vocal alright, but there really isn?t a way for those in America to know about it, it?s not really your late night news material..

So the drawn out conclusion is this: they are making progress in having their voices heard. The more pop culture is exposed to things Asian, I?m sure it?s generate more interest which will eventually lead to public awareness both good and bad sides of the Far East. It won?t happen over night, and all we can do is take baby steps, but discussing it on forums like this is a step in the right direction, and it?s cool that so many people are into it. Hopefully my thoughts weren't boring, and made sense, and it wasn?t a repost of someone else?s thought.

Well on that note, merry x-mas ^^

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: SuperCyrix
seeesh....people here sure like pinning the sins of the father on every generation afterwards.

example? i didn't see anybody saying that the younger japanese are responsible for what happened... all we're saying is that japan should apologize for crimes committed, as a nation.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

I must disagree with the contention that some actions are excusable in the context of war but not during peacetime. The language used to describe war 'activites' is extremely subjective. One group's atrocity is another's great conquest.

Resettlement of Native Americans=Trail of Tears
Colonization of the Americas=native genocide
Manifest Destiny=forced relocation/native genocide

The stated etiological basis for wars is often BS to justify some other goal; the conditions at the moment just happen to suffice. The actions of your opponents are always exaggerated . . . even the clearly despotic like General Weyler (Cuba/Spain) are dehumanized in order to justify entrance into war or methods employed during conflict.

The leaders are the beginning. At some point it becomes a perceived necessity to dehumanize the civilian opposition as well. Henceforth, we can then talk about collateral damage ad nauseam without being burdened with feelings of remorse. Fortunately, most people are decent human beings. The Rape of Nanking, slave trade (American scale), slaughter of Native American tribes, and the horrible panoply of offenses committed by the Japanese against Korea would be nearly impossible in the modern age. Humanitarians the world over would justifiably call for intervention.

 

[gopunk]

The Rape of Nanking, slave trade (American scale), slaughter of Native American tribes, and the horrible panoply of offenses committed by the Japanese against Korea would be nearly impossible in the modern age. Humanitarians the world over would justifiably call for intervention.

one would think... but that is not the case. mainly because there is a lot of sh!t that happens, that most people in america and europe are not aware of. or they simply don't care because it's in some hodunk third world country. for example did you know that just a few years ago, chinese people in indonesia were being raped and killed en masse by mobs of angry indonesians? their homes would be marked so people would know which houses to go to. then the women would be gangraped in front of her family, then they would all be killed. then to make matters worse, the indonesian government is very uncooperative. they deny that such things happened and allowed the violence to continue

http://www.hrw.org/reports98/indonesia3/intro.htm for a report... i heard this from my mom and dad who read chinese newspapers.

so you see, it is not impossible at all... it simply has to happen in a country and to people america and europe don't really care about.

 

[mztykal]

I'm not going to read through the entire thread, but I read through the whole first page. First off, I'm 100% Japanese, born and raised in Hawaii by parents who were both born here, and their parents born here in Hawaii also.

Although what you're saying might be true, but you don't have to be sooo much of an ass about it. You're getting kinda close to racist (whoever stated that they don't buy Japanese products and who are too high strung).

Let it go, so what if they don't apologize, is it going to ruin your life? Is it going to make you cry yourself to sleep at night? Gosh, be mature about it. You don't see me crying and whining and saying things about how the US bombed Japan. That's because I know it was during war and they had every right to drop a bomb on the Japanese. They'll get no remorse from me. Sure I may have had relatives that died, but hey, that's life.

GET OVER IT.

The more you dwell, the funnier this becomes. Can I call you (people who're taking this waaaay to personal) racist now? Or do I have to wait till you start with the "Jap" comments. Gosh, grow up.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: mztykal
I'm not going to read through the entire thread, but I read through the whole first page. First off, I'm 100% Japanese, born and raised in Hawaii by parents who were both born here, and their parents born here in Hawaii also.

Although what you're saying might be true, but you don't have to be sooo much of an ass about it. You're getting kinda close to racist (whoever stated that they don't buy Japanese products and who are too high strung).

Let it go, so what if they don't apologize, is it going to ruin your life? Is it going to make you cry yourself to sleep at night? Gosh, be mature about it. You don't see me crying and whining and saying things about how the US bombed Japan. That's because I know it was during war and they had every right to drop a bomb on the Japanese. They'll get no remorse from me. Sure I may have had relatives that died, but hey, that's life.

GET OVER IT.

The more you dwell, the funnier this becomes. Can I call you (people who're taking this waaaay to personal) racist now? Or do I have to wait till you start with the "Jap" comments. Gosh, grow up.

what does torturing civilians have to do with war? NOTHING. at least there was a reason for the atomic bomb... to prevent allied casualties and force a surrender. what reason was there for the torture? these are two totally different situations.

and why should we let it go and get over it? the lack of an apology, to me, indicates some serious issues with the japanese government. i think it is important that everybody be made aware of the fact that the japanese government shows no remorse for this type of behavior.

and i've said before in this thread, that i do not have any hatred towards the japanese people who were not involved. for me, this is a country thing, not a race thing. it's unfortunate if some other people make it out to be some racial thing, but i hope that such things do not distract people from the real issue.

 

[PlatinumGold]

I'm not going to read through the entire thread, but I read through the whole first page. First off, I'm 100% Japanese, born and raised in Hawaii by parents who were both born here, and their parents born here in Hawaii also.

I find this quote troubling. You were born and raised in Hawaii and yet you claim to be 100% japanese?? both of your parents were also born in Hawaii and yet you still claim to be 100% japanese?? so what would it take to make you American??

btw, i'm the one that claimed i wasn't going to buy Japanese cars, that doesn't make me racist. BOYCOTTING A PRODUCT does not make someone a RACIST.

When i meet a japanese person my first instinct or thought is not one of hatred. it doesn't even occur to me that they are any different from anyone else, but that doesn't mean i'm not going to take a stand on this issue or pretend like it never happened.

You talk of immaturity, your post clearly shows you haven't thought the issues out and are just reacting because you think someone that boycotts a product of a particular nation is racist. could it be that there is more. i'm not boycotting this product because i hate all japanese people w/o rhyme or reason, there is a VERY SPECIFIC reason and cause.

 

[J5im8yo]

Maybe we need to understand that what the government is doing and what the leader is leading the people to do is most likely having nothing to do with the citizens. In most asian countries its all about honor might sound funny to many but the word sorry takes gut to come out of a country's mouth. Not saying anything, but I do believe the Japanese should apologize and like one had mentioned before. In this generation of the Japanese government with the elders still alive it is merely impossible but wait until the newer generation takes over, we'll see what happen ya?

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

I'm not going to read through the entire thread, but I read through the whole first page. First off, I'm 100% Japanese, born and raised in Hawaii by parents who were both born here, and their parents born here in Hawaii also.

I find this quote troubling. You were born and raised in Hawaii and yet you claim to be 100% japanese?? both of your parents were also born in Hawaii and yet you still claim to be 100% japanese?? so what would it take to make you American??

eh i think he mean racially.

 

[SuperCyrix]

example? i didn't see anybody saying that the younger japanese are responsible for what happened

Sure, I'll give some example of quotes here where people

By Mwilding

As a people, the Japanese are horrible people - at least they were in the 1940's. I still don't trust em

"Are" as in the Japanese people as a whole might are still horrible??? I guess the current generation of Japanese still can't be trusted because of what their Grandparents did.

By PlatinumGold

SO I chose to not buy any Japanese cars as a SYMBOLIC gesture

would you consider buying japanese cars if every Japanese associated with WWII is dead? Or would you still
avoid cars made by all future generations?


Again by Mwilding

Frankly this debate has growen tiresome to me. I am still never going to meet my uncle and the Japanese can go eff themselves.

If I'm Japanese(which I'm not) and me and my family have nothing to do with the war, should I eff myself because I'm Japanese?


I can totally understand if people want an apology from the Japanese government. I won't comment about people who distrust, hate, or avoid things Japanese related. I will say that I sure would suck if I'm Japanese and people treat me differently because of something that happend almost 60 years ago that had nothing to do with me. It sure would suck if I opened a store and people refuse to shop there because Japanese can't be trusted.

 

[PlatinumGold]

the irony is that most of you would think twice about a jew saying very similar things as i've said about germans. why is it ok for Jews to hold a grudge against germans and not for korean/chinese/southeast asains to hold a grudge against japanese??

it's this double standard more than anything else that annoys me.

all this business about forgive still doesn't address the most crucial issue, you can't forgive someone who won't acknowledge they did wrong. once you get past that initial step then talk to me about forgiveness.

bottomline is, many of you respond this way to me because the inhumanity of the situation isn't real to you the way that the "holocaust" is.

 

[GasX]

When you are evaluating my comments, please keep in mind that there is a difference between people and a person.

The Japanese PEOPLE are guilty of crimes that they do not acknowledge. This thread obviously has discussed this issue.

The 20 something sushi chef at my local sushi restaurant is a nice guy who makes excellent sushi.

 

[gopunk]

supercyrix -

there is a difference between holding someone responsible and not trusting a people. nobody is saying that every japanese person should be tried for war crimes. therefore nobody is saying that every japanese person is responsible.

as an aside however, since you bring up distrust... if germany refused to apologize for the holocaust, would it be unreasonable to expect jewish people to have a certain amount of distrust towards germans? what if a jewish person told you that they boycott VW because germany has not given an apology?

i think the answer is no.

 

[HamSupLo]

It's not racist to be distrustful of the Japanese government. I nor do any of the posters before profess a hate for the Japanese individual. The problem lies with the Japanese nation and their inablity to acknowledge the mistakes of the past. That is the issue.

 

[Kitros]

Hypocrites...

 

[iskim86]

another reason to hate Japanese people. I'm Korean btw. :disgust::|