Whats the profit margin on chain pizza stores?

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ponyo

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Im in the process of building my brick oven in back yard.. ill never have to order pizza again..

pizza dough from my local baker is 1.50 and ill supply the rest

If you have to buy the pizza dough, I question your ability to even add toppings to a pizza. You might as well buy take home and bake pie from Costco.
 
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Ive wondered this too. I get emails almost daily for 50% off pizza from them. I live in KC area and i get it if the St. Louis Blues win a game lol
 
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Pizza hut is the only pizza I'll buy. Papa John's and Little Caesar's sucks. Dominoes haven't eaten in 15 years.
 

Chocu1a

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At the private club I am chef, we sell 14" pizzas. We buy our crusts which puts our food cost higher than a chain that makes their own dough. Our cost for a 14" cheese pie is $2.66. We use 6 oz cheese per pie, 4 oz sauce.
 

cubby1223

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No, he's right, you are wrong. Papa johns is good daily pizza food for a good price.

If you lived in Chicago or a suburb you'd have a different opinion.

My little town of 20k people has I'm counting in my head 11 different pizza places. Dominoes tried twice to locate in my town and failed both times. Little Caesars failed twice, maybe 3rd time's a charm they've had a location up for 2 years now (but the problem with Little Caesars is after you pay for the pizza you have to eat the pizza...). Papa Johns never tried to place in my town, though I have had it elsewhere. There is nothing special at all to Papa Johns, there are far, far better tasting pizza out there (granted, if you live near Chicago or New York that is, the rest of the country, I feel sorry for you guys being forced into believing Papa Johns is edible ).
 

smackababy

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If you lived in Chicago or a suburb you'd have a different opinion.

My little town of 20k people has I'm counting in my head 11 different pizza places. Dominoes tried twice to locate in my town and failed both times. Little Caesars failed twice, and a third is trying and has been in for 2 years now. Papa Johns never tried to place in my town, though I have had it elsewhere. There is nothing special at all to Papa Johns, there are far, far better tasting pizza out there (if you live near Chicago or New York, that is).

I live near Chicago and I'd take Dominos over any of that garbage deep dish Chicago residents seem to love. However, real New York pizza is simply unbeatable. I really need to go to Brooklyn more often. =(
 

angminas

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If you have to buy the pizza dough, I question your ability to even add toppings to a pizza. You might as well buy take home and bake pie from Costco.

Making pizza dough from scratch makes a mess and is a huge pain.
 

DrPizza

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5Maybe I can help to settle an area of disagreement:
Mediocre pizza is still good food. Papa Johns is mediocre pizza. Even well below average pizza is recognized as being tolerable to eat. On a 1 to 10 food scale, I'd say Papa Johns, Pizza Hut, most of the chains, are somewhere around a 6. On a pizza scale, with 10 being the best pizza, and 1 being those 99 cent frozen pizzas from the grocery store, I don't think any of the chains are better than maybe a 4.

If you have to buy the pizza dough, I question your ability to even add toppings to a pizza. You might as well buy take home and bake pie from Costco.
There's a recipe for dough in this thread. It's crap. Sugar in the dough? That's for impatient, lazy people who can't make good dough. Good pizza dough takes hours. If you're lucky, a local place that makes dough will save you some time and effort. Especially that long kneading step - my mixer can do that at home, but I'd rather save the gears.

As far as being able to make pizza at home for less cost than purchasing a pizza, it depends on the market. Personally, I've been getting a pizza pension, so pizza is very cheap. All I have to do is work 3 or 4 days a year in a pizza shop, when they need someone to fill in for one of the owners/managers (big party this weekend for one of the owners who's having a diaper party; 12 hour shift for me.)
 

JulesMaximus

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Seeing as at most, it's just your own opinion. You are just an asshole. :thumbsup:

Many would say a mistaken asshole, but again, the pizza part at least is open to interpretation.

No, it isn't.

You are what you eat... and clearly you eat and enjoy shit. :thumbsup:
 

mnewsham

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No, it isn't.
If you honestly think that then you just don't understand what a logic based argument is...

Just as a rule, your opinion can NOT be undisputed fact on something that is inherently a subjective opinion, the taste of a pizza, that is something that will always be an individual determination, no matter what you may want to believe.
 

JulesMaximus

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If you honestly think that then you just don't understand what a logic based argument is...

Just as a rule, your opinion can NOT be undisputed fact on something that is inherently a subjective opinion, the taste of a pizza, that is something that will always be an individual determination, no matter what you may want to believe.

If you want pimple farmers making you a cookie cutter pizza designed to make a millionaire more rich then order papa crap's pizza. But please don't sit here and tell me that papa johns makes good pizza. It is an insult to good pizza.
 

DrPizza

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If you honestly think that then you just don't understand what a logic based argument is...

Just as a rule, your opinion can NOT be undisputed fact on something that is inherently a subjective opinion, the taste of a pizza, that is something that will always be an individual determination, no matter what you may want to believe.

Just because you think a Ford Fiesta is a great driving, sporty vehicle, compared to BMWs, it's a hunk of crap. That's pretty much the type of argument you're making. So, while you may find the taste of crappy pizza appealing, as I said above, that's fine. It still doesn't mean that it's awesome pizza.
 

mnewsham

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Just because you think a Ford Fiesta is a great driving, sporty vehicle, compared to BMWs, it's a hunk of crap. That's pretty much the type of argument you're making. So, while you may find the taste of crappy pizza appealing, as I said above, that's fine. It still doesn't mean that it's awesome pizza.

The problem is i'm not even calling it awesome pizza, i'm just saying it isn't shit tier pizza, that would be the celeste or some other $0.50 discount pizza.

Also, the ford Fiesta ST is one of the most highly rated sporty new cars under $24k. Firmer suspension, 1.6L turbo charged engine, lowered ride height by 15mm, etc etc.

Compare it to a BMW if you want, but that's just not a fair comparison. The Fiesta will wipe the floor with most anything else in it's price range though.
 

xanis

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Manco Manco in Ocean City, NJ were charged with $1M in tax evasion charges between 2007-2011. That's an insane amount of money.

I really don't get Manco & Manco. I've been going to OCNJ every summer since I was a kid and the lines are always outrageously long. Average pizza at best, IMO.
 

Hugo Drax

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The profit margin is not bad. 90% of the Pizza is dough. The cost of the Dough for one pizza is probably in the range of 50-80 cents. The dough being made in large automated vats and shipped to the chains in mass quantities.

The production of it semiautomatic, the baking process is automatic where the pizza goes through programmed oven. The laying of toppings is repetitive process, pre measured in specific orders as per spec book. The entire process from A-Z follows a specific order to the book of operations.

They charge per topping in addition to the base pizza, you don't get that free. They charge you the delivery cost as well, not free either.

Fast food Pizza I would say is the most profitable fast food mass consumer product out there.
 
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Hugo Drax

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If you lived in Chicago or a suburb you'd have a different opinion.

My little town of 20k people has I'm counting in my head 11 different pizza places. Dominoes tried twice to locate in my town and failed both times. Little Caesars failed twice, maybe 3rd time's a charm they've had a location up for 2 years now (but the problem with Little Caesars is after you pay for the pizza you have to eat the pizza...). Papa Johns never tried to place in my town, though I have had it elsewhere. There is nothing special at all to Papa Johns, there are far, far better tasting pizza out there (granted, if you live near Chicago or New York that is, the rest of the country, I feel sorry for you guys being forced into believing Papa Johns is edible ).

The problem is the expectation of pricing, A well produced pizza with top notch ingredients is going to cost much more than the mass produced product.

Most people already have a preconceived notion of what a pizza is supposed to cost and anything higher they will consider overpriced, without even trying the pizza to begin with.
 

JEDI

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They charge per topping in addition to the base pizza, you don't get that free.

and it seems the more toppings, the less of each topping even tho they charge you for each topping.

lets say a pepporoni pizza has 5oz of pepperoni.
but if you have 4 other toppings, then you get 1oz of each topping.

just seems that way??

also, I'm surprised they don't ship the popular topping combos pre-combined in little plastic baggies. ie: meat lovers, the Works
worker bee just opens the bag and spreads the toppings onto the pizza.
saves labor?
 
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Newell Steamer

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It's never bothered me. If you can't have a little pizza without getting the shits then your body is broken.

My body not doing well with pig shit on slimy dough doesn't mean it's broken - it means I stop eating pig shit on slimy dough.

Nonetheless, enjoy!
 

Sonikku

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The pizza hierarchy is something like

Papa Johns < Little C < Domino's < Premium Digorno/Red Baron Frozen pizza < Pizza Hut < local fresh stand alone pizzeria's.

That's just my opinion, but it happens to be the right one. And you're free to disagree with me, but you would be wrong.
 
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