What's up with AMD's stock?? :(

NFS4

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It's at 18.375 now What about those optimistic earnings reports?:Q
 

Russ

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Oct 9, 1999
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HeHe. I bailed at 32 (pre-split 64). Of course, if I was really smart, I'd have gotten out when it was near $100.

Russ, NCNE
 

DaveJ

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I bought a bunch more shares today (OK, 10 ) It's a great bargain at that price, and eventually the stock SHOULD go up... it's only a matter of time, and I'm willing to wait...

Dave
 

Windogg

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A lot of tech stocks (especially semi comductor companies) are getting raped lately. The company I work for is down about 25% over the last 2 months despite record sales and fabs running at 100%.

Windogg
 

Russ

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Dave,

I think you're right. If it dips to 15 or so, I'm buying back in. Long term, it looks like a screaming bargain.

I bought early last year at 14 and change, and I told EVERYONE who would listen to jump on it. One person took my advice, and bought a TON. He sold in the 80's. I wish I had the financial resources that he does.

At least he's bought three systems from me.

Russ, NCNE
 

DirkBelig

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All the markets have been down in the last six weeks, esp. tech stocks. First, it was fear that Gore would win and destroy the economy, now it's uncertainty about the Middle East and the energy supply, which is due to our total lack of an energy policy, courtesy of Gore's insane environmental extremism.

When it hits 15, I'm in!
 

charrison

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Oct 13, 1999
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I thought it was just the stupid analysts that think intel still has
the cpu market to itself.
 

Midnight Rambler

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First off, there was no optimistic earnings report. They made their number, but their forecast for the rest of the year is flat to single digit revenue growth. Worse yet, Intel made their original forecast number and thus beat the downward revised numbers, proving the anal-ysts had their heads up their a$$e$ once again. But the compelling reason for AMD being down is that their price cutting is bleeding them to death, instead of Intel. AMD's margin is 47% and dropping, while Intel managed to increase its margin to 64% from 62%. More discouraging numbers can be found in this other forum thread here The numbers came from the Fool's site and match up with both companies' earnings reports and conference calls.
 

Toxin

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Intel beat the market estimates but 3 cents

Intel's Net Rose 72% in Third Quarter on Higher Computer Processor Demand
By Cesca Antonelli


Santa Clara, California, Oct. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Intel Corp., the world's biggest semiconductor maker, said third-quarter net income rose 72 percent on higher demand for personal-computer processors. Sales met the company's lowered forecasts.

Net income rose to $2.51 billion, or 36 cents a share, from $1.46 billion, or a split-adjusted 21 cents, a year ago. Sales climbed 19 percent to $8.73 billion from $7.33 billion.

Intel last month said sales would miss targets because of slack demand in Europe. Revenue rose 5.2 percent from the previous quarter, meeting the company's revised forecast. Still, demand for chips that run PCs and electronics gear has climbed this year as more people link to the Web, and Intel has struggled to boost production. Fourth-quarter sales will rise 4 percent to 8 percent from the prior quarter, Chief Financial Officer Andy Bryant said.

``It's a lot better than what the bears were talking out there,'' said Tim Ghriskey, senior portfolio manager for Mellon Bank's Dreyfus Corp. unit. ``It looks pretty strong.''

The Santa Clara, California-based company's third-quarter net income includes a higher-than-expected $966 million gain from interest and the sale of investments. It also includes acquisition- related costs.

Excluding the costs, the company said profit would have been $2.9 billion, or 41 cents a share. On that basis, Intel was expected to earn 38 cents a share, the average analyst estimate in a First Call/Thomson Financial survey.

The shares rose as high as $38.38 after the report. They added 50 cents to $36.19 today before the release.

The stock dropped 22 percent on Sept. 22, Intel's worst-ever one-day decline, after the chipmaker scaled back its forecast. That drop wiped out about $91 billion in market value. The shares have lost a quarter of their value since then.

Unchanged Processor Sales

Investors have been skittish about computer-related shares since Intel's September warning, which was followed by similar cautions from PC makers Apple Computer Inc. and Dell Computer Corp.

A weak euro and skyrocketing oil prices in Europe hurt sales during the quarter, Bryant said. The chipmaker said it generated record revenue in all regions except Europe, led by higher sales of flash memory, which retains data when devices are turned off, and of networking and communications gear.

Sales of Intel's flagship Pentium and Celeron computer processors were unchanged from the previous quarter, better than some investors had anticipated.

``That was actually a positive surprise,'' Ghriskey said. ``We'd feared microprocessors would have a negative comparison. Flat is pretty good.''

Gross margin, or the percentage of sales left after subtracting manufacturing costs, was a better-than-expected 64 percent for the quarter. The company expects that to narrow slightly to about 63 percent in the fourth quarter, as it moves more production to using smaller wires.

December Quarter

The growth Intel predicted for the fourth quarter is lighter than usual for that period, Bryant said. The end of the year is traditionally strong, boosted by holiday PC sales. Revenue rose 12 percent in the fourth quarter of 1999 from the previous period.

Europe is usually an engine for growth in this period, so continued weakness there will hurt results, Bryant said.

``It's a little less than historical (growth) primarily driven by the fact that we still have some uncertainty,'' he said. ``We'll see a typically seasonal fourth quarter, with a little caution on Europe.''

The company faces heightened competition from Advanced Micro Devices Inc., which is shipping faster chips and snapping up market share. Plus, as Intel starts selling Pentium 4 processors later this year, investors expect price cuts on the current Pentium IIIs to crimp profit. Even so, Ghriskey said the forecast ``isn't bad'' because economic growth is slowing worldwide.

``Tech stocks are economically sensitive. This is a cyclical industry,'' he said. ``The 4 to 8 percent growth ain't bad.''

Intel reiterated that capital spending this year will total $6 billion, and executives said the company needs all the capacity it can get.

The company said gains on investments and interest in the fourth quarter will be about $950 million.

 

AndrewR

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When is Sledgehammer to be released? Seems like when that comes out they will have an opportunity to increase their margins. Also, what about dual Athlons? Is a chipset in the works?

A key aspect in comparing AMD and Intel is that their P/E ratios are vastly different. AMD is ranging at around 7 right now, while Intel is flying at over 20 or 30, last time I looked. I'd say that's a fairly good undervaluation of a company that's earning $700 million in operating income off of $3.4 billion in sales for the first three quarters. I'd think it will at least flatten out shortly when the tech stocks and the market stop free falling.
 

noxipoo

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my god i bought the damn stock back in Aug. i'm long term so i'm still holding on. oh well. stupid me, its instant doodles from now on!
 

AndrewR

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It's not exactly a secret, Wangel, more like the ideal. It's only a secret for those stupid enough to have purchased some of these tech stocks at their peak. Wasn't Yahoo or Amazon trading at 200 or something awhile back??
 

Russ

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<< Also, what about dual Athlons? Is a chipset in the works? >>



Andrew,

Yes, the AMD 760MP. Last I checked, it's due Q1, next year.

Russ, NCNE
 

NFS4

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<< Yes, the AMD 760. Last I checked, it's due Q1, next year. >>


Not quite Sir Russ The AMD760 is due out at the end of Oct/beginning of Nov. The AMD760MP (multi-processors) is due out in Q1 '01
 

AndrewR

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Oct 9, 1999
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Stock heading back up a bit, 18.4 now. Market has recovered a little from the 330+ pt drop earlier.
 

Ranger X

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Some people are saying the economy is finally catching up with stock prices. I still have fate in tech stocks.
 
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