What's with some people and their insecurities of others having electric vehicles?

[nakedfrog]

I don't care what others drive, I kinda want an EV myself if they were more affordable and they had better right to repair and were not cloud connected, but I do not like the idea how the government is trying to force it. Provided we get good election results in both US and Canada in the next 2 years those policies will probably be scrapped though. Even the auto makers see the writing on the wall and have cut back production.

 

[Red Squirrel]

The BOC horror stories are all over YouTube, from batteries that fail within 30,000 miles and a recycled battery is given in return to other expensive repairs lots of dealers have to wait months to fix. Not to say gasoline cars don't have problems too, but when your battery dies your engine is effectively dead. Can you imagine frequent engine replacements?

Then there is the car insurance issue. If they battery is damaged the car is totalled. Hyundai charges $60,000 for a replacement Ioniq battery. As a result, the cost to insure gasoline cars is rising to cover the cost of insuring BOCs.

They really need to fix this issue. In theory EVs should be simpler and have less things go wrong, but it seems they are not built this way at all. They just don't design them with repairability in mind at all, the battery pack is treated as 1 part instead of something modular. Imagine being told you need to change your whole engine out because the check engine light is on due to a bad O2 sensor. There are a few oddball garages that specialize in EVs but if you don't live close to one you're out of luck. We need better right to repair laws that force manufacturers to make things repairable, provide service manuals etc and make the information and parts easy to get.

For now I think I will stick to gas vehicles but I've been switching pretty much everything else to electric. Lawnmower, chain saw, snow blower, etc. Electric stuff has lot of potential(no pun intended) but it needs to be implemented properly so that things can be worked on. Electric lawn tools are also more or less on par with gas now price wise. My electric two stage snow blower actually ended up costing a bit less than what an equivalent gas ones go for now.

 

[repoman0]

And this why hybrids are superior to battery only cars.

I don’t totally disagree with this either .. if a lot more people chose to drive hybrids over the past decade or two rather than 3 ton 15 mpg trucks and SUVs maybe we wouldn’t be in such a climate disaster time crunch.

 

[Stopsignhank]

We all know the reason. For some reason right leaning people do not believe in solar and electric vehicles. They will then make any excuse as to why solar and electric vehicles are bad. Just look at the people on this thread.

I have solar at home and a plug in hybrid car. I had a Trump loving boss of mine that would tell me LED lights and solar was a scam. I left the job 4 years ago and would like to ask him now if he thinks any differently. The problem is he also did not believe in the COVID vaccinations and died from COVID.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I would definitely like to see more hybrid options. Make them plug in, and make them so they work on battery only for a short while. For going to work, you would basically not need any gas. But if you want to go further then you'd start to use the gas.

 

[olds]

Some people want the kool-aid drinkers to be inconvenienced.

 

[nakedfrog]

I would definitely like to see more hybrid options. Make them plug in, and make them so they work on battery only for a short while. For going to work, you would basically not need any gas. But if you want to go further then you'd start to use the gas.

Uh... don't they literally already do exactly this?

 

[MrSquished]

Uh... don't they literally already do exactly this?

yes. regular full hybrids only just use electric at lower speeds, they use hybrid power at anything over low speeds.

plug in hybrids can do all speeds just electric, until the battery is low and then they too can run hybrid. I'm assuming different settings in the car let you adjust how often the gas engine kicks in when the battery is not low/x amount of speed.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I don’t totally disagree with this either .. if a lot more people chose to drive hybrids over the past decade or two rather than 3 ton 15 mpg trucks and SUVs maybe we wouldn’t be in such a climate disaster time crunch.

Not really, passenger vehicles are a component but a very small one compared to other CO2 sources, and stretching out the climate effects from them doesn't change the formula much. Factor in the relative issues with hybrid compared to pure EV (twice the complications under the hood, same maintenance schedule as ICE), and the loss of battery tech advancement from pressure from EV consumers, and hybrids should be considered a stepping stone.

 

[bbhaag]

HA! If you think the insecurities from other people are bad when you own an EV from Tesla, KIA, BMW, ect try owning an electric Mustang. OMG even some lefties aren't woke enough yet for that.....trust me. I'm speaking from experience.

 

[WilliamM2]

They'll just inject their nonsense into the EV failure points, which is the software. And for Ford, they never fail to put in corrosion vulnerable metals...

I've seen you make this claim about Ford many times. Is there any evidence they purposely select "corrosion vulnerable metals" to induce failure? Or is this another conspiracy theory?

 

[MrSquished]

I've seen you make this claim about Ford many times. Is there any evidense they purpously select "corrosion vulnerable metals" to induce failure? Or is this another conspiracy theory?

Matthew Stafford was about to expose this about Ford, so they made a deal to win him a superbowl in Los Angeles, get him out of Detroit and kept him quiet. Just ask Torn Mind, he knows all about the QB business.

 

[skyking]

Mariah Carey has given the inside information on a track, you must play it backwards at 45 RPM.

 

[Torn Mind]

I've seen you make this claim about Ford many times. Is there any evidense they purpously select "corrosion vulnerable metals" to induce failure? Or is this another conspiracy theory?

I have Ford Ranger whose corrosion has rendered a battery terminal screw unturnable.

The front latch to lift hood also got stuck, which I had to release "the manual way" by fanagling a screwdriver.

There's also an ErictheCarGuy repair video on a Taurus, which one part required a torch and I recall another Youtube comment seconding the need to use a torch to disassemble the part.

Knowing you, you wouldn't accept any the statements above as evidence anyway, because you've already predetermined everything I say to be false.

And the reason I have a ranger was that I intended to install a new valve cover gasket because the old one "failed" and its a known flaw.

Not every act of inference is a "conspiracy". Actually, company dictating shaving a cent or two by using cheaper parts is a common business practice. I mean, this is the same manufacturer who skimped on spark plug threads as well, leading to recalls on that.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Ford has always had serious issues with rust, I don't think it's on purpose, but it really seems to affect them more than the other makers, but they all suffer from it. Part of the blame is cities for putting so much damn salt on the roads. Stop putting down so much salt, and people need to just learn how to drive properly in the snow. It's not hard. Liability laws also need to change so that it's not possible to sue cities or property owners because of the weather. Salt is one of the main reasons cars don't last and cities and property owners have to lather it down like it's going out of style so they can protect themselves from dumb lawsuits.

I wonder if the aluminium bodies they use on newer trucks will fair out better over time. Also going to be interesting to see how the Cybertruck stainless does.

 

[lxskllr]

I never had particular problems with Ford rust. Dodge OTOH, comes with rust as a standard feature. Strange thing is Jeeps don't seem to rust bad. Dodge should take a walk to the jeep plant to see what they're doing. Should be easy since they own the company.

 

[WilliamM2]

I have Ford Ranger whose corrosion has rendered a battery terminal screw unturnable.

The front latch to lift hood also got stuck, which I had to release "the manual way" by fanagling a screwdriver.

Ranger? How old is it? As far as I know corrosion on battery terminals is pretty common with all brands if you don't coat the terminal. Seems like pretty minor issues.

My neighbor has a 2014 F150, almost 200K miles, and not a spec of rust. And here in michigan that's very unusual.

I prefer Toyota myself.

Knowing you, you wouldn't accept any the statements above as evidence anyway, because you've already predetermined everything I say to be false.

Well you don't know me, but It's just anecdotal, not what I would call evidence.

And I don't think everything you say is false, just most of it. Google can yield good information if you are careful.

 

[Zorba]

The BOC horror stories are all over YouTube, from batteries that fail within 30,000 miles and a recycled battery is given in return to other expensive repairs lots of dealers have to wait months to fix. Not to say gasoline cars don't have problems too, but when your battery dies your engine is effectively dead. Can you imagine frequent engine replacements?

Then there is the car insurance issue. If they battery is damaged the car is totalled. Hyundai charges $60,000 for a replacement Ioniq battery. As a result, the cost to insure gasoline cars is rising to cover the cost of insuring BOCs.

Ever read about Kia/Hyundai? Lots of engine issues. Subaru put 3 engines in my Forester, first due to oil burn, next two because their shitty rebuilds blew rod bearings in 500 miles. Lots of failed transmissions too.

 

[Zorba]

Goalpost moving or not, it doesn’t even matter because a lithium battery will last just fine for several months if it sits unused. Same as gasoline.

The biggest issue for the ICE and BEV would be the 12V lead acid battery.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I never had particular problems with Ford rust. Dodge OTOH, comes with rust as a standard feature. Strange thing is Jeeps don't seem to rust bad. Dodge should take a walk to the jeep plant to see what they're doing. Should be easy since they own the company.

Rust adds character to any vehicle.

But you can repair it cheap and paint it for $60:

 

[highland145]

Subaru put 3 engines in my Forester, first due to oil burn, next two because their shitty rebuilds blew rod bearings in 500 miles. Lots of failed transmissions too.

Dayum...when we looked in 2010, they thought very highly of their vehicles. Something like $4K more than the RAV. Bought the RAV, 190K miles...1 alternator, 1 strut bold and just replaced the O2 sensors. YMMV.

The 2020 RAV hybrid has been trouble free after 40K but it is a Toyo and I expect 75K more before issues.

 

[Exterous]

The BOC horror stories are all over YouTube, from batteries that fail within 30,000 miles and a recycled battery is given in return to other expensive repairs lots of dealers have to wait months to fix. Not to say gasoline cars don't have problems too, but when your battery dies your engine is effectively dead. Can you imagine frequent engine replacements?

Then there is the car insurance issue. If they battery is damaged the car is totalled. Hyundai charges $60,000 for a replacement Ioniq battery. As a result, the cost to insure gasoline cars is rising to cover the cost of insuring BOCs.

I'm shocked SHOCKED that something you posted isn't completely accurate. An independent Hyundai dealership wanted to charge $60,000 - a price which magically doubled from the $30k they quoted the owner to the price they quoted the insurance company.

The story should be 'dealership tries to screw over owner and insurance company' which isn't exactly confined to EVs. One might even say they refined their scumbag practices using ICE vehicles.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I'm shocked SHOCKED that something you posted isn't completely accurate. An independent Hyundai dealership wanted to charge $60,000 - a price which magically doubled from the $30k they quoted the owner to the price they quoted the insurance company.

The story should be 'dealership tries to screw over owner and insurance company' which isn't exactly confined to EVs. One might even say they refined their scumbag practices using ICE vehicles.

There is a video showing that two different dealerships wanted 60 grand. I will search for it later. Also, all dealerships are mostly independent (except Teslas showrooms).

I don't like them any more than you do and prefer independent mechanics or even a good shade tree to do my own work.

 

[K1052]

We all know the reason. For some reason right leaning people do not believe in solar and electric vehicles. They will then make any excuse as to why solar and electric vehicles are bad. Just look at the people on this thread.

I have solar at home and a plug in hybrid car. I had a Trump loving boss of mine that would tell me LED lights and solar was a scam. I left the job 4 years ago and would like to ask him now if he thinks any differently. The problem is he also did not believe in the COVID vaccinations and died from COVID.

My conservative dad doesn't have a problem with LED bulbs but he is irrationally opposed to solar. Which is all the more aggravating because his summertime electric bills are about $500-600 in AZ and over half of his neighbors have arrays.

 

[Red Squirrel]

There's tons of stories like this where battery replacements end up being a ridiculous price. The issue is that the companies and most garages are not willing to actually work on them so they just replace the whole thing or charge a ridiculous price to work on it. It's madness. Often times it's not even the battery cells themselves that are the issue it's just something related to the battery pack.

Here's a good example of a garage that was willing to work on one:

Such garages are very rare though.