What's wrong with EA?

[Malak]

Originally posted by: VIAN
Excuse me, but quality like Doom3, which had such a little amount of bugs, if any, that didn't allow you to enjoy the game, compared bugs that really mess with the enjoyment of the game, such as in BF2. Such frustration I've experienced. Doom3 will forever be my standard, or most Activision games for that matter, I've never been pissed off at game they've published.

I have experienced zero bugs in BF2 that weren't cosmetic at best. Doom 3, on the other hand, was boring and ugly. I'll take the minor bugs and the fun game over the working game that is boring.

 

[40Hands]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: VIAN
Excuse me, but quality like Doom3, which had such a little amount of bugs, if any, that didn't allow you to enjoy the game, compared bugs that really mess with the enjoyment of the game, such as in BF2. Such frustration I've experienced. Doom3 will forever be my standard, or most Activision games for that matter, I've never been pissed off at game they've published.

I have experienced zero bugs in BF2 that weren't cosmetic at best. Doom 3, on the other hand, was boring and ugly. I'll take the minor bugs and the fun game over the working game that is boring.

If you have only experienced cosmetic bugs in BF2 then you haven't really played BF2.

 

[Scarpozzi]

The problem with BF2 is that it should ship with its own customized PC just so you don't have those kinds of problems...they should develop a system that's finetuned for it....just like a console and its games are hardware specific.

I've had minimal problems. Sometimes I'll get teamkills when I never fired a shot, sometimes I'll get team vehicle damage also when I never fired a shot....(when using anti aircraft guns) Other than that, the glitches happen, but they're very minimal. Just make sure you have the latest patch and if you continue to have problems....reinstall. It's solved a lot of issues for a lot of people. You could even have drivers corrupt in your base OS...

 

[concreteDonkey]

Malak, what a lot of people are trying to say is that EA are not innovative and they are immoral (which I agree with).

If EA were the only games developer/publisher, we'd all be playing space invader 2008 with new updated real martian names!

They buy up really good games developers and put them under immense pressure to release games rather than give them a creative lisence.

To top it all off, they use 'smart' business practices to eliminate the competition rather than concentrate on what they are releasing.

Your attitude of 'it's fine for me so it's fine for you' is worrying. Don't you care about anyone else?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: VIAN
-BF2, released half assed and at a higher pricepoint of 55 dollars, that was supposedly due to development time.

I got BF2 for $35 on the day of release. Where were you shopping?

 

[Seeruk]

I'm sorry but any fan of EA is a grass-munching cash cow.... their target market

 

[40Hands]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: VIAN
-BF2, released half assed and at a higher pricepoint of 55 dollars, that was supposedly due to development time.

I got BF2 for $35 on the day of release. Where were you shopping?

$35 on the day of its release?? Well we didn't get it from some guy in the back of an 18 wheeler like you did

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: BroeBo

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: VIAN
-BF2, released half assed and at a higher pricepoint of 55 dollars, that was supposedly due to development time.

I got BF2 for $35 on the day of release. Where were you shopping?

$35 on the day of its release?? Well we didn't get it from some guy in the back of an 18 wheeler like you did

Fry's in Atlanta actually. DVD version too.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: BroeBo

Originally posted by: Malak
I have experienced zero bugs in BF2 that weren't cosmetic at best. Doom 3, on the other hand, was boring and ugly. I'll take the minor bugs and the fun game over the working game that is boring.

If you have only experienced cosmetic bugs in BF2 then you haven't really played BF2.

I pre-ordered the damn thing. I played it since day 1. Trust me, I play it. I just don't have games crashing on my computer left and right like other people, mostly because my system is well maintained.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: concreteDonkey
Malak, what a lot of people are trying to say is that EA are not innovative and they are immoral (which I agree with).

If EA were the only games developer/publisher, we'd all be playing space invader 2008 with new updated real martian names!

They buy up really good games developers and put them under immense pressure to release games rather than give them a creative lisence.

To top it all off, they use 'smart' business practices to eliminate the competition rather than concentrate on what they are releasing.

Your attitude of 'it's fine for me so it's fine for you' is worrying. Don't you care about anyone else?

They don't have guns to their heads. If people keep working for them, then I'll keep buying from them. It's not like I'm buying from Iran or something. I even had a friend go work for their sports division, never heard any complaints. Unless EA's employees quit in flocks or go on strike, I'll assume things aren't nearly as bad as everyone assumes. If it were as bad as some people have said, anyone would have quit. I just don't believe it.

I will continue to buy EA games because nearly every single one I've gotten has been enjoyable and worth playing, which I can't say the same for half the other companies out there. I don't ever want to buy from Valve, Blizzard, or Ubisoft.

 

[concreteDonkey]

You haven't really answered my question. Don't you care about anyone else?

Don't you care that they messed their employees around so much that they were forced to take legal action just to get paid?
Don't you care that their customer service is so obviously poor, apart for a fortunate minority?
Would you care if they bought your job then made you work under worse conditions for their benefit?

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: concreteDonkey
You haven't really answered my question. Don't you care about anyone else?

Don't you care that they messed their employees around so much that they were forced to take legal action just to get paid?
Don't you care that their customer service is so obviously poor, apart for a fortunate minority?
Would you care if they bought your job then made you work under worse conditions for their benefit?

Of course I care. Maybe you didn't read what I posted. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't sound like it is nearly as bad as people think. If they care more about getting paid than getting treated right, then they must not mind the treatment that much.

And customer service? The only customer service I've talked with that was any good was Warner Bro's. The one company that truly treats their customers like crap and people take it is Valve, but you don't see anyone stopping from buying their games. Hell, Blizzard tried stealing money from me, and I don't even play their games!

 

[concreteDonkey]

Once again you're relying totally on your own experiences. It's all, valve did this to ME, and blizard did that to ME. You sound like a little child. Listen to what people are saying, EA have treated a lot more people badly than blizzard, valve and ubisoft put together.

So who's worse?

 

[40Hands]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: BroeBo

Originally posted by: Malak
I have experienced zero bugs in BF2 that weren't cosmetic at best. Doom 3, on the other hand, was boring and ugly. I'll take the minor bugs and the fun game over the working game that is boring.

If you have only experienced cosmetic bugs in BF2 then you haven't really played BF2.

I pre-ordered the damn thing. I played it since day 1. Trust me, I play it. I just don't have games crashing on my computer left and right like other people, mostly because my system is well maintained.

It's not about he crashing. I rarely get a CTD. How about their horrible server browser? They finally added a favorites list but you can't sort within it. Pings still don't show up even remotely correct. How do other games come out with such good server browsers and the almighty EA comes out with this crap? In game, there are still problems such as:

Friendlies showing up as enemies.
AT rockets going through vehicles.
C4 bug where if you toss your last one, it switches to your detonator and sometimes instantly explodes killing me.
Mines sometimes just explode for no reason.
AA missiles still suck.
Blackhawk still is way overpowered compared to the MEC chopper.
(and these are POST 1.3 patch)

I guess the last two are not bugs but the point is that with some basic testing of the game, EA could have easily spotted these bugs. People even posted in the forums about the bugs they experienced in the demo. However EA decided that they would just release an unfinished game and have us test it for them. They got their money, what do they care?

It's called shovelware. Shovel it out and start making an expansion :roll:

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: concreteDonkey
Once again you're relying totally on your own experiences. It's all, valve did this to ME, and blizard did that to ME. You sound like a little child. Listen to what people are saying, EA have treated a lot more people badly than blizzard, valve and ubisoft put together.

So who's worse?

Blizzard employees actually quit, so you tell me.

 

[concreteDonkey]

EA are having to pay $15.6 million they owe to over 200 employees and you're telling me:

Originally posted by: MalakBlizzard employees actually quit, so you tell me.

Who says the employees who are taking action haven't quit? The law suit is about them not being paid, and we're talking about entry level employees too, so it's not like they can walk into any developer and demand a job.

I'll tell you who's worse!!! EA!

 

[TheUnk]

Originally posted by: BroeBo
1. Friendlies showing up as enemies.
2. AT rockets going through vehicles.
3. C4 bug where if you toss your last one, it switches to your detonator and sometimes instantly explodes killing me.
4. Mines sometimes just explode for no reason.
5. AA missiles still suck.
6. Blackhawk still is way overpowered compared to the MEC chopper.
(and these are POST 1.3 patch)

1. Have only experienced once in over 80 hours of gameplay.
2. Never saw this happen.. If anything, it's because someone has a crappy ping to that server.
3. Have veteran explosives with C4 and never had this happen, ever. Maybe you are click happy..
4. Again, never seen this happen.. Closest is when they disappear after the engy had died and it's been XX minutes since then.
5. Maybe you suck at using them? I've killed plenty of air with them.
6. True. But this is war, and not everything is fair =p

 

[Suture]

EA only cares about their wallet. They bought up some great smaller companies and then just destroyed them, only going after them for names and franchises. Don't get me wrong. This happens in the industry, but EA has it down to an art. They don't care about their employees (Google for EA employee blogs) and they buy out what they can't beat.

Malak, your comments for EA are your opinion, and our comments against EA are ours. But you can't deny how popular the C&C games -- C&C and Red Alert only (during the Westwood Studios era) and the Wing Commander series were.

IIRC, they also bought up Bullfrog Entertainment back in the day, amongst others... it's sick, they destroyed all of these innovative studios.

 

[concreteDonkey]

Here here! Well said that man (Suture)

 

[Continuity28]

Originally posted by: Suture
EA only cares about their wallet. They bought up some great smaller companies and then just destroyed them, only going after them for names and franchises. Don't get me wrong. This happens in the industry, but EA has it down to an art. They don't care about their employees (Google for EA employee blogs) and they buy out what they can't beat.

Malak, your comments for EA are your opinion, and our comments against EA are ours. But you can't deny how popular the C&C games -- C&C and Red Alert only (during the Westwood Studios era) and the Wing Commander series were.

IIRC, they also bought up Bullfrog Entertainment back in the day, amongst others... it's sick, they destroyed all of these innovative studios.

I guess he doesn't want to play fun games for much longer. *shrug*

EA is an enemy to creativity, innovation, and competition. But hey "smart" business practice should be rewarded! (While gamers suffer)

 

[QueBert]

EA releases crap games, anything that's not Sim's or BF will drop to $20 a few months after it comes out. Then by the end of the same year, they will offer it in one of their mega boxes, with like 5-6 games for 20 bucks. Hopefully the Godfather game will be good, but I'm not holding my breath

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: concreteDonkey
EA are having to pay $15.6 million they owe to over 200 employees and you're telling me:

Originally posted by: MalakBlizzard employees actually quit, so you tell me.

Who says the employees who are taking action haven't quit? The law suit is about them not being paid, and we're talking about entry level employees too, so it's not like they can walk into any developer and demand a job.

I'll tell you who's worse!!! EA!

I'm sorry, but if your job was as bad as everyone makes it out to be, you'd quit. People quit for less at Blizzard, and other companies. I think it's all exagerrated. Seems the employees care more about their wallets than where they work. That tells me something.

You go ahead and do what you want, but from my angle EA is generally a sure-bet for fun.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: QueBert
EA releases crap games, anything that's not Sim's or BF will drop to $20 a few months after it comes out. Then by the end of the same year, they will offer it in one of their mega boxes, with like 5-6 games for 20 bucks. Hopefully the Godfather game will be good, but I'm not holding my breath

I wish I had a single EA game that got bad ratings.. then maybe I'd believe you. They sell more games than anyone, get good ratings, and I've enjoyed all mine. Doesn't sound like crap games to me.

 

[futuristicmonkey]

Originally posted by: VIAN
I'm pissed at Valve about their software:

-HL2 was a overhyped POS that didn't live up to expectations other than having great facial animations and amazing looking water effects. Which I'm not even sure they hyped the water. It took forever to make and released with very important features missing. Then it's released and runs like crap.

Which difficulty level did you play on the first go?
Was your computer powerful enough to play it smoothly (for the moment, forget about stuttering, if you had any)?

-Steam. Everyone knows how stable that crap is. It's always messed up.

It's been working pretty good for me ever since I first got it, around when CS 1.6 came out, during the beta period. I've never had any issues with it that prevented me from playing a game on it. And you don't need to mention Friends because on that point alone I agree - I can only remember it working a few times ever.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey
It's been working pretty good for me ever since I first got it, around when CS 1.6 came out, during the beta period. I've never had any issues with it that prevented me from playing a game on it. And you don't need to mention Friends because on that point alone I agree - I can only remember it working a few times ever.

Guess what? Others have. For one, the people trying to play a single player game where there is no internet. Guess what? Not everyone who has a computer has internet. And half the people that do are on dialup which is flaky. No company should require the internet for a stand-alone application. It requires nothing on the internet except some shaky application that slows load times for no apparent reason.

Speaking of which, benchmarks were put out when HL2 came out that proved Steam made the game run and load slower, a lot slower. All that for an application that downloads patches for you? Talk about a stupid good for nothing "convenience". To top it off, it can prevent you from playing. That's right! One time it told me Steam was too busy to let me play my damn game. I uninstalled HL2 shortly after getting it, almost threw the thing out. I will never buy another Valve game again. They gave me the finger, I closed my wallet.