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Injury

Lifer
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1 - Easy spread of disease
2 - Taxes are not collected on income
3 - Too easy for hoes to get pregnant and just expect gvmnt handouts, not know who the father is, be an unsuitable parent.
4 - Likely increase of battered women and violent crime
5 - Likelihood of "he said/she said" "rape" situations



By definition, nothing is wrong with prostitution. Just like nothing is wrong with marijuana, gambling, child labor, and many other things. It's that the possibilities of what happens in the less desirable scenerios that makes people reject these things and want to make them illegal.
 

Locut0s

Lifer
Nov 28, 2001
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Depends on the type of prostitute. Most street prostitutes are largely drug addicted women desperate for their next score who are abused by their pimps and customers. That's a horrible life. If you are talking about escorts who advertise in local papers and operate out of their homes a larger majority of them are probably actually choosing to be in that profession, though even there there are likely many who are trapped with no way out. As long as we are talking about the latter I have no problem with it, the former are people in need of desperate help. Prostitution should be legalized, regulated and taxed. That would do away with most of the former type of prostitution, greatly improve safety and health and make it more respectable for all.
 

MrPickins

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Originally posted by: Injury
1 - Easy spread of disease
2 - Taxes are not collected on income
3 - Too easy for hoes to get pregnant and just expect gvmnt handouts, not know who the father is, be an unsuitable parent.
4 - Likely increase of battered women and violent crime
5 - Likelihood of "he said/she said" "rape" situations



By definition, nothing is wrong with prostitution. Just like nothing is wrong with marijuana, gambling, child labor, and many other things. It's that the possibilities of what happens in the less desirable scenerios that makes people reject these things and want to make them illegal.

Every one of those points could be addressed by regulation if it were legal.
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: Tweak155


And why did you make the assumption that I believe in a god? Where did I state that? I said believing in something doesn't make it exist or not exist. However, in this situation, your ignorance is at least proven whether I believe in it or not.

Because a non-believer doesn't capitalize the word god in the middle of a sentence. How am I being ignorant anyways?
 

Saint Michael

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Tweak155

Doesn't mean he doesn't exist. If another person logically agreed that God existed then they would agree that God didn't approve. Believing or not believing in something doesn't mean it no longer exists or now exists - wonder what the world would be like then....

Why must it be the singular one that you believe in? The greeks had their gods, the romans had theirs, the muslims have theirs, you have yours. None of them exist. At least the greek and roman gods had good stories.

I don't know why everybody thinks Christianity/Judaism are so boring. I happen to think Judeo-Christian mythology is pretty cool. Of course, I'm taking into account a good deal of fan-fiction (Dante, Milton, etc.), but that's how Greek/Norse mythology probably worked, anyway.
 

Tweak155

Lifer
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Tweak155


And why did you make the assumption that I believe in a god? Where did I state that? I said believing in something doesn't make it exist or not exist. However, in this situation, your ignorance is at least proven whether I believe in it or not.

Because a non-believer doesn't capitalize the word god in the middle of a sentence. How am I being ignorant anyways?

1 - You are generalizing.

2 - You are being ignorant when you make an assumption whether your conclusion is correct or not. It is not only ignorance when you are wrong because assumptions is drawing a conclusion when you don't know for a fact.


You would have been better off on commenting on the point of the statement(s) (my stated fact) rather than only commenting on what is - still - unknown. You can, however, believe it
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: Saint Michael

I don't know why everybody thinks Christianity/Judaism are so boring. I happen to think Judeo-Christian mythology is pretty cool. Of course, I'm taking into account a good deal of fan-fiction (Dante, Milton, etc.), but that's how Greek/Norse mythology probably worked, anyway.

Yeah, I suppose that there is some ok "fan-fiction" as you call it. I guess I haven't read as much of it.
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: Tweak155

1 - You are generalizing.

2 - You are being ignorant when you make an assumption whether your conclusion is correct or not. It is not only ignorance when you are wrong because assumptions is drawing a conclusion when you don't know for a fact.


You would have been better off on commenting on the point of the statement(s) (my stated fact) rather than only commenting on what is - still - unknown. You can, however, believe it


Yes, I am generalizing. All fictional stories are indeed made up. Sorry, but by referring to gods over time I'm merely suggesting that over time man has created fictional supreme beings for whatever reason, and people in modern times are no different.

Anyways, I must sleep. Gotta wake up in a few hours. Night night.
 

Zach

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Tweak155

1 - You are generalizing.

2 - You are being ignorant when you make an assumption whether your conclusion is correct or not. It is not only ignorance when you are wrong because assumptions is drawing a conclusion when you don't know for a fact.


You would have been better off on commenting on the point of the statement(s) (my stated fact) rather than only commenting on what is - still - unknown. You can, however, believe it


Yes, I am generalizing. All fictional stories are indeed made up. Sorry, but by referring to gods over time I'm merely suggesting that over time man has created fictional supreme beings for whatever reason, and people in modern times are no different.

Anyways, I must sleep. Gotta wake up in a few hours. Night night.


*Bows to TallBill*

???


<-- requires enlightened follower.
 

Excelsior

Lifer
May 30, 2002
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Originally posted by: Injury
1 - Easy spread of disease
2 - Taxes are not collected on income
3 - Too easy for hoes to get pregnant and just expect gvmnt handouts, not know who the father is, be an unsuitable parent.
4 - Likely increase of battered women and violent crime
5 - Likelihood of "he said/she said" "rape" situations



By definition, nothing is wrong with prostitution. Just like nothing is wrong with marijuana, gambling, child labor, and many other things. It's that the possibilities of what happens in the less desirable scenarios that makes people reject these things and want to make them illegal.

1) If it was regulated, and took place in brothels such as the Moonlite Bunny Ranch, no.

2) See 1.

3) This happens whether prostitution is legal or not.

4) How would this become worse with prostitution being legal? Prostitutes are already battered by customers or more often, their pimps.

5) see 1 and 3.
 

Excelsior

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Tweak155
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
God and most men's wives probably don't approve.

Neither of which should matter to the government. There is no reason to outlaw prostitution.

If you have moral reasons against it, then don't participate. By the way, gods dont exist in everyone's head.

Doesn't mean he doesn't exist. If another person logically agreed that God existed then they would agree that God didn't approve. Believing or not believing in something doesn't mean it no longer exists or now exists - wonder what the world would be like then....

Ok? But in the context of this thread, it truly doesn't matter whether he exists or not or whether anyone believes he exists or not. It shouldn't have any influence on the law.
 

wetcat007

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Nov 5, 2002
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Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: Jhill
It's only illegal some places. It's legal in small counties in Vegas.

Isn't Nevada the only place prostitution is legal?

Only place in the US I believe, lot's of other countries legalize it though.
 

LtPage1

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Prostitution ends up being a form of slavery. I think Nevada regulates it enough to keep the legal forms of it there from being something like that, but historically prostitutes have been diseased addicts, abused and controlled (and essentially enslaved) by their pimps.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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Originally posted by: GattoDiChimica
The only problem with prostitution in the US is the fact that it's unregulated. In Europe, the prostitutes are required to get tested for STDs. Prostitution will never go away. Regulation is the key.
I agree. Make it legal and regulate the hell out of it. Seems to me the cops spend too much time chasing down folks who arent doing any harm to society.
I honestly believe if it were a legal business we would see healthy competition between reputable companies and girls wouldnt be walking the streets anymore.

Of course, I feel the same way about weed and in my heart I know it will never happen.
Put those damn South American drug lords right out of business and theres nothing they could do about it.
EDIT:
Same thing with the prostitutes. Put the pimps right out of business.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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Oh, and every time this issue comes up I always have to put in Mark Perkels two cents.
www.perkel.com NSFW!!

Why Use an Escort Service?
Escort services offer a variety of companionship, from just someone to talk with to someone to have sex with. The women who work for these agencies make a living at their jobs just like women who have other jobs do. So, yes, they are doing it for the money. But that's just their occupation. When you hire a mechanic to fix your car, the mechanic is doing it for the money too. It's the same thing. Your mechanic may be your friend as well and he may enjoy working on your car because you're a good customer. The same kind of relationship can be established with your escort. If you become a "regular," you will get to know each other and know what you like to do together -- and you will enjoy it more.

Like any other profession most of the women who work as escorts enjoy their work. Although the situation varies from individual to individual - and from client to client - there are a lot of women who do this because they really like the sex. But some customers are better than others and this article will help instruct you in how to be a good customer who escort look forward to being with. And you don't have to be great looking or in good shape to please an escort. All you have to do is know how to treat a woman right. Hopefully you will learn from this web page exactly how to do that.
Paying for a relationship doesn't mean you're some kind of loser. There are a number of advantages that are worth considering.

A lot of men have a real mental barrier about having to "pay for it." This is an artificial barrier because there's nothing wrong with paying for sex -- and there are a lot of advantages to doing so. Paying for it doesn't make you any less of a man. In fact, if you've never tried escorts before, you'll find that the experience is probably different than what you've been led to think it is. And when you realize how it really works, you'll look at it in a very different light.
Free sex isn't really free. In order to get a woman to have free sex with you, you have to find someone who is attracted to you and wants to have sex with you. For most of us, this takes a lot of work.
If you go after a one night stand, then you're having sex with a stranger, just as you would with an escort. The woman you pick up for a one night stand is not really fucking you. She's just horny and you're just a penis provider. If you want to keep fucking her, then you're going to have to develop some kind of relationship with her.

If you start a relationship, you run into one of the biggest problems with free sex: You both have to want it at the same time. You can't just get it when you want it. And then you have to deal with "where is this relationship going," and how you feel about monogamy and marriage (Which I call "doing the "M" word"). Then there's the question of dealing with her friends, her family, her lawyer, her religion, her spending habits, her television preferences, her moods, her shrink, her astrologer, her dealing with your friends and family, and trying to adjust to each other's grooming habits, musical tastes, money, property, children, pets, ex-lovers, jealousy, anger, bullshit ... all this when all you really wanted was just to get laid.

He says a lot more, but this is the basic stuff.
 

GenHoth

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Originally posted by: TallBill

Yeah, I suppose that there is some ok "fan-fiction" as you call it. I guess I haven't read as much of it.

Arg! Read Dante's Inferno, the guy has quite the imagination for punishing his political enemies. (It helps to know that several of the individuals he runs across are actual people from his life that he disagreed with!)
 

Tweak155

Lifer
Sep 23, 2003
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Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: Tweak155
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
God and most men's wives probably don't approve.

Neither of which should matter to the government. There is no reason to outlaw prostitution.

If you have moral reasons against it, then don't participate. By the way, gods dont exist in everyone's head.

Doesn't mean he doesn't exist. If another person logically agreed that God existed then they would agree that God didn't approve. Believing or not believing in something doesn't mean it no longer exists or now exists - wonder what the world would be like then....

Ok? But in the context of this thread, it truly doesn't matter whether he exists or not or whether anyone believes he exists or not. It shouldn't have any influence on the law.

Doesn't the government claim to be based under god? One nation...under ........ god? Yeah, that was it.
 

RaistlinZ

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Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: GattoDiChimica
The only problem with prostitution in the US is the fact that it's unregulated. In Europe, the prostitutes are required to get tested for STDs. Prostitution will never go away. Regulation is the key.
I agree. Make it legal and regulate the hell out of it. Seems to me the cops spend too much time chasing down folks who arent doing any harm to society.
I honestly believe if it were a legal business we would see healthy competition between reputable companies and girls wouldnt be walking the streets anymore.

Of course, I feel the same way about weed and in my heart I know it will never happen.
Put those damn South American drug lords right out of business and theres nothing they could do about it.
EDIT:
Same thing with the prostitutes. Put the pimps right out of business.

I would love to see it regulated and then having companies compete for business. You'd have healthier women, better quality women, lower prices, and more choices.
 

RallyMaster

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Dec 28, 2004
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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: Jhill
It's only illegal some places. It's legal in small counties in .errr I mean Nevada

Actually, it's illegal in Vegas, but is legal in some of the surrounding counties.
(Vegas is a city in Clark County, Nevada)

The only problem I see with prostitution, is you just never know who you're "following" into that deep dark hole...

Otherwise, dating is (almost) prostitution...you buy them dinner; take them dancing, to a movie; etc.; then HOPE you get laid...at least with a hooker, you know...

This man should get a trophy. Seriously.
 

mrkun

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Jul 17, 2005
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Originally posted by: GattoDiChimica
The only problem with prostitution in the US is the fact that it's unregulated. In Europe, the prostitutes are required to get tested for STDs. Prostitution will never go away. Regulation is the key.

Actually, it's decriminalized in most countries, only regulated in a few (Germany and the Netherlands I believe). In the former, street walking, pimping, and trafficking are illegal, but simply exchanging money for sex outside of those situations is not. Personally, I think this is the most sensible and I think a similar position for marijuana possession (decriminalization rather than regulation) is preferable as well.
 

Excelsior

Lifer
May 30, 2002
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Originally posted by: Tweak155
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: Tweak155
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
God and most men's wives probably don't approve.

Neither of which should matter to the government. There is no reason to outlaw prostitution.

If you have moral reasons against it, then don't participate. By the way, gods dont exist in everyone's head.

Doesn't mean he doesn't exist. If another person logically agreed that God existed then they would agree that God didn't approve. Believing or not believing in something doesn't mean it no longer exists or now exists - wonder what the world would be like then....

Ok? But in the context of this thread, it truly doesn't matter whether he exists or not or whether anyone believes he exists or not. It shouldn't have any influence on the law.

Doesn't the government claim to be based under god? One nation...under ........ god? Yeah, that was it.

What?

One nation, under god...

The Knights of Columbus in New York City felt that the pledge was incomplete without any reference to a deity. Appealing to the authority of Abraham Lincoln, the Knights felt that the words "under God" which were from Lincoln?s Gettysburg Address were most appropriate to add to the Pledge. In New York City on April 22, 1951, the Board of Directors of the Knights of Columbus adopted a resolution to amend their recitation of Pledge of Allegiance at the opening of each of the meetings of the 800 Fourth Degree Assemblies of the Knights of Columbus by addition of the words "under God" after the words "one nation."


Oh wait, that was added long after the United States was born. Sorry. And if you want to bring up the "In God We Trust" on our legal tender, well:

The motto In God We Trust was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the American Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout Christians throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize God on United States coins.

Either way, one's belief in a god or multiple gods still shouldn't have an effect on the law.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Originally posted by: Injury
1 - Easy spread of disease
2 - Taxes are not collected on income
3 - Too easy for hoes to get pregnant and just expect gvmnt handouts, not know who the father is, be an unsuitable parent.
4 - Likely increase of battered women and violent crime
5 - Likelihood of "he said/she said" "rape" situations



By definition, nothing is wrong with prostitution. Just like nothing is wrong with marijuana, gambling, child labor, and many other things. It's that the possibilities of what happens in the less desirable scenerios that makes people reject these things and want to make them illegal.

If there was legally regulated prostitution you would see an decrease in:

1-STDs
2-Unwanted pregnancies
3-Assault, Battery, and overall mistreatment of participating women
4-Rape

You would see an increase:

1-Income from a taxes, (except in NH, where there's no sin tax)

Much like drugs(including alcohol), once made illegal the society is driven underground where there's no laws, rules, or regulations mandating anything.

 
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