What's wrong with Thermaltake?

[hondAS2ooo170]

thermaltake when they engineer there products they dont care about quietness. they mainly think about how it cools and performs.

 

[Operandi]

Originally posted by: Rogue 2
I guess if you're used to BMW, Ford sucks. And if you're used to Yugo, Ford's an upgrade. Maybe TT's the Ford of the computing world?

You?re wrong. This is the automotive equivalent of Tt.

http://www.aros.net/~mstahnky/humor/Rice/Another%20Riced%20Civic.jpg

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: hondAS2ooo170
thermaltake when they engineer there products they dont care about quietness. they mainly think about how it cools and performs.

Which bring to mind the fact that they dont cool very well at all compared to most of the nice fans. Performance and cooling are the same thing for a fan

-Kevin

 

[Mucker]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: hondAS2ooo170
thermaltake when they engineer there products they dont care about quietness. they mainly think about how it cools and performs.

Which bring to mind the fact that they dont cool very well at all compared to most of the nice fans. Performance and cooling are the same thing for a fan

-Kevin

Simply not true. Your telling us that a 40 cfm Panaflo will cool better than a 40 cfm Tt? Not a very convincing arguement...40 = 40 last time I checked. The 80mm Tt I put inside my PSU rips heat out of there when I want it to. When I slow it down, it performs very well too and I can't hear it. I have a really hard time with the point you are trying to make......

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[amol]

Originally posted by: MalfurionStormrage

Originally posted by: Waylay00
It's all a matter of opinion about the looks of the cases. The older consumer (25+) typically doesn't like Thermaltake products, whilst the younger consumer does. Yes, I admit some of their products aren't the best, but that doesn't mean that the company as a whole is bad. Learn to be objective people . Personally I love my Tsunami, but then again, I just turned 13.

I'm 38 and just bought my wife the Tsunami case after telling her that that's the one wrapping my new computer. So, here's someone in the "older" generation who likes the Tsunami as well.

Oh, and her temps dropped 10 c as soon as we got her system into the new case. Not bad for a supposed 'crap' product.

i :heart: my Tsunami

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Mucker

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: hondAS2ooo170
thermaltake when they engineer there products they dont care about quietness. they mainly think about how it cools and performs.

Which bring to mind the fact that they dont cool very well at all compared to most of the nice fans. Performance and cooling are the same thing for a fan

-Kevin

Simply not true. Your telling us that a 40 cfm Panaflo will cool better than a 40 cfm Tt? Not a very convincing arguement...40 = 40 last time I checked. The 80mm Tt I put inside my PSU rips heat out of there when I want it to. When I slow it down, it performs very well too and I can't hear it. I have a really hard time with the point you are trying to make......

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DOesn't matter that they are both 40. A Panaflo spinning at 2000 RPM will beat a Thermaltake spinning at 2000 RPM. A better example is Nexus fans. Spinning at the same speed they produce about 2 dba less noise and but through about 4more CFM.

As for the TT fans we have already discusssed this at length. They are no where near silent even when turned down. Its has a lot of chatter, and doesn't not scale very well. If it did dont you think #1 i would have kept mine, and #2 Silent PC Review wouldhave it on their recommended list.

-Kevin

 

[McArra]

Originally posted by: hondAS2ooo170
thermaltake when they engineer there products they dont care about quietness. they mainly think about how it cools and performs.

Their PSUs are some of the quietest, so I think they also think in silence, at least in some product since they have some very noisy.

 

[Mucker]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: hondAS2ooo170
thermaltake when they engineer there products they dont care about quietness. they mainly think about how it cools and performs.

Which bring to mind the fact that they dont cool very well at all compared to most of the nice fans. Performance and cooling are the same thing for a fan

-Kevin

Panaflo 80mm specs:

12L1A, 1900 rpm, 24 cfm
12M1A, 2450 rpm, 32.1 cfm
12H1A, 2950 rpm, 39.6 cfm
12U1A, 3450 rpm, 46.9 cfm

Tt 80mm specs:

A2178, 4800 rpm, 72.7 cfm
A1357, 4800 rpm, 75.7 cfm

Panaflo, nice and quiet? Sure, however, when it comes to cooling, the Panaflo's just can't run with the big dog Tt's. Also, on a fan controller you can make them sound pretty quiet too! Best of both worlds. Do you still stand by your statement that Tt fans don't perform? Hmmmmmm.........:roll:

The reply you made to honda doesn't make any sense at all......

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[Insomniak]

My position on Thermaltake is that they are probably the best of what I would consider the value brands.

If you pay $50 for a Thermaltake PSU, you're going to get a significantly better product than $50 for a POWMAX PSU, but they're still not in the same league with Antec, Enermax, OCZ, et al.

I personally do not invest in Thermaltake products because I can afford products of higher build quality, and I generally invest in those. However, I realize that is not an option for everyone out there, and as the less expensive equipment goes, Thermaltake is among the best of it. I do not like their cases, largely because they are tastelessly guady to my eye. Colors, windows, and complicated designs everywhere do not lend themselves to elegance and professionalism very well, so I tend to avoid Thermaltake cases for that reason. In a similar price range, I find CoolerMaster to be far more aesthetically mature and better performing in terms of features and cooling.

Thermaltake isn't what I would call bad, but everyone has their quality standards, and Tt are simply below mine. I strongly recommend trying to make the jump to companies like CoolerMater and Antec - they are not much more in terms of price, and, in my opinion, are significantly better products.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Oh yeah with the big dogs huh :roll:

A Panaflo running at 4800RPM (theoretically) pushes 65.25CFM at 38.2dba

A Tt A1357 running at 4800RPM pushes 75.7CFM at 48dba.

A Vantec Tornado running at 70.82CFM 46.48dba

As you can see Tt specs are way off as the fan that pushes the MOST air (Vantec Tornado) is even under it. So once again it seems as if Tt is WAY off on their specs. Not to mention the Panaflo has virtually no chatter/ electrical noise. Tt doesn't scale well at all, same goes with Tornado, they aren't meant to. But the Tts specs are WAY off.

Case fans aside one Tt i would recommend over a competing product is the Tsunami. The addition of 120mm fans and some lights would make me recommend it over the Coolermaster Wavemaster.

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: McArra

Originally posted by: hondAS2ooo170
thermaltake when they engineer there products they dont care about quietness. they mainly think about how it cools and performs.

Their PSUs are some of the quietest, so I think they also think in silence, at least in some product since they have some very noisy.

No their PSUs are very noisy. SilentPCReview wont even go near them.

-Kevin

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: Mucker
Simply not true. Your telling us that a 40 cfm Panaflo will cool better than a 40 cfm Tt? Not a very convincing arguement...40 = 40 last time I checked.

I'll come out and say that a "40 CFM Panaflo" will cool better than a "40 CFM TT". That's because the Panaflo will actually move 40 CFM at its rated RPM and dBA. The TT won't push 40 CFM at its rated RPM and will be much louder than its spec'ed dBA.

Case in point: TT used Panaflo louvered fans (FBL line) in some of their heatsinks. They used the "M" fan but magically got more CFM out of it, and somehow used the dBA rating of the "L" line. Nevermind the fact that it was the same exact fan, but TT's marketing machine is apparently better than Panasonic's engineers when it comes to measurements. :roll:

CFM and dBA are very tough for end users to measure. By not using industry standard measurements, TT has been very liberal with their specs more than once.

Don't get me wrong -- their heatsinks will cool a processor, their fans will move air, and their cases will hold your gear. Just don't expect their numbers to match reality. When you compare actual performance, there are often better choices out there.

 

[Spike]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: McArra

Originally posted by: hondAS2ooo170
thermaltake when they engineer there products they dont care about quietness. they mainly think about how it cools and performs.

Their PSUs are some of the quietest, so I think they also think in silence, at least in some product since they have some very noisy.

No their PSUs are very noisy. SilentPCReview wont even go near them.

-Kevin

They are some of the loudest when on full power. At lower speeds, my 480 watt TT is quieter then my Enermax Whisper 350 and my brothers Antec 350. I leave the fan at medium speed and you can't hear it at all. Now I don't know if it pushes as much air as the antec or enermax (feels like the same amount but how accurate is the back of your hand?) but that was not your statement. You simply said they are very noisy which is an untrue blanket statement.

-spike

 

[Spike]

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: Mucker
Simply not true. Your telling us that a 40 cfm Panaflo will cool better than a 40 cfm Tt? Not a very convincing arguement...40 = 40 last time I checked.

I'll come out and say that a "40 CFM Panaflo" will cool better than a "40 CFM TT". That's because the Panaflo will actually move 40 CFM at its rated RPM and dBA. The TT won't push 40 CFM at its rated RPM and will be much louder than its spec'ed dBA.

Case in point: TT used Panaflo louvered fans (FBL line) in some of their heatsinks. They used the "M" fan but magically got more CFM out of it, and somehow used the dBA rating of the "L" line. Nevermind the fact that it was the same exact fan, but TT's marketing machine is apparently better than Panasonic's engineers when it comes to measurements. :roll:

CFM and dBA are very tough for end users to measure. By not using industry standard measurements, TT has been very liberal with their specs more than once.

Don't get me wrong -- their heatsinks will cool a processor, their fans will move air, and their cases will hold your gear. Just don't expect their numbers to match reality. When you compare actual performance, there are often better choices out there.

I agree that TT specs are off but from my experiences, so are Panaflo's. My 120mm M1A is louder than my 80mm YS-tech when both are running at full speed. The M1A is rated much lower dB but still is louder to not only my ears, but my wifes as well. When both are at 8v they seem about the same (pretty darn quiet).

-spike

 

[jblaty]

I thought I'd write a quick post in the last of the BigWater saga. Unfortunately, it does not have a happy ending.

I received a replacement water pump on Wednesday for the broken one. It was a completely different pump, so they must be changing the design based on the issues they're having. However, when I was preparing to install the new pump, I noticed that the acrylic cover on the ThermalTake CPU water block had cracked. I don't know when this happened, but it was clearly cracked in 2 places. This was probably due to torsion on the retaining clip that ThermalTake provided, hence another design flaw. I decided that with 2 major component failures before I even started the system that this was a very bad sign, and I was not about to risk my motherboard and components to a faulty water cooling system.

I have since requested a complete RMA of all of the water system components, and am returning the lot.

I've ordered a Zalman air cooler to replace them, and I'll hopefully have my system running sometime next week after over a month of delays.

Anyway, you may want to take this into account before you purchase the ThermalTake BigWater cooler. Personally, I don't think the low quality justifies the price. Also, I don't believe that the review sites are reporting these problems, and that is very disconcerting.

 

[McArra]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: McArra

Originally posted by: hondAS2ooo170
thermaltake when they engineer there products they dont care about quietness. they mainly think about how it cools and performs.

Their PSUs are some of the quietest, so I think they also think in silence, at least in some product since they have some very noisy.

No their PSUs are very noisy. SilentPCReview wont even go near them.

-Kevin

Really??

 

[McArra]

Oh, and my new 680W unit is even more silent...

 

[McArra]

A Tt A1357 running at 4800RPM pushes 75.7CFM at 48dba.
A Vantec Tornado running at 70.82CFM 46.48dba

One of two. You have a typo error there or the TT is ahead and your conclusion makes no sense....

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well AT is the most respected review sight out there, it cannot match SilentPCReview in noise benchmarks. SilentCPReview is the place to go for that.

The TT is theoretically ahead. However as stated by other people Tt is WAY off when they spec there parts. I mean they rate rebadged fans at better specs when they are the exact same thing with a Tt logo on it. Essentially they are lying or at least in someway bending the truth.

I agree with Insomniak... they are the best of the entry level.

-Kevin

 

[Mucker]

And for mission critical cooling, noise aside, I'd take a Tt over a Panaflo anyday ......I suppose you'll tell me now that the Tt is way off in MTBF ratings too..........

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[Gamingphreek]

And your system would be like a time bomb.

-Kevin

 

[Mucker]

I'd like to know where you come up with all your data Kev. Are you making this up as you go?

m

 

[charlietee]

My personal experience with TheramlTake products is not good.

After seeing multiple ThermalTake power supply's with rails bad enough to cook motherboards and CPU's they have made my do not recommend list.

I also find their fans way to loud...They dont call them Tornado's for nothing...And compared to just about any other fan manufacturer find their "claimed" DBA versus CFM ratings almost laughable.

I personally find that much better quality products can be purchased for the same money.

It is my humble opinion that ThermalTake power supply's have to be the worst bang for the buck supply's out there.

I have worked on 3 box's in the last 3 months that had the 480's and all three suffered crispy hardware because of low and extremely unstable rails...Best one had 11.46 on the 12 volt rail.

I am sure that there are people who love their products and recommend them to anybody that ask.

I am just not one of them.

 

[Mucker]

ALOT of happy Tt users here: http://secure.newegg.com/app/CustratingReview.asp?DEPA=0&item=17-153-006
This is a great bang for buck psu.....$39.99 shipped. Yes there are better, but not for that price.........

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[TheOasis]

People bash Tt not because they are bad, (they are not) its just that there are better alternatives. the thermalright XP-90 is supposed to be the best HSF on the market that will work on almost any motherboard. Antec makes quieter and more stable PSU's for about the same amount of money. and there are tons of other cases that are higher in quality and about the same price.

the real answer is that there is nothing wrong with Tt, there are just better alternatives.