What's wrong with Thermaltake?

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Mucker
I'd like to know where you come up with all your data Kev. Are you making this up as you go?

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Yeah... absolutely :roll: thats what i always do

Try proportions genious.. a 3450 RPM pushes 46.9CFM therefore (4800*46.9)/3450 would equal 65.25CFM.

I agree with your other statement. It is a very good bang for buck PSU and i never said that it wasn't. I did say that it is entry level PSU and that Tt fans and HSF's stink.

-Kevin

 

[Mucker]

Disagree wholeheartedly on the fans. Besides the noise, Tt fans ARE performers especially for the money, you simply can't beat the cooling performance of this 80mm fan for the money: http://www.aerocooler.com/shop.cart?action=ITEM&prod_id=FANTHSMII.

Moves a ton of air....

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[Operandi]

Originally posted by: L00PY
Case in point: TT used Panaflo louvered fans (FBL line) in some of their heatsinks. They used the "M" fan but magically got more CFM out of it, and somehow used the dBA rating of the "L" line. Nevermind the fact that it was the same exact fan, but TT's marketing machine is apparently better than Panasonic's engineers when it comes to measurements. :roll:

Loppy is right Tt's dBA specs are complete BS. Why anyone buys into Tt's crappy marketing is beyond me.

Originally posted by: Mucker
And for mission critical cooling, noise aside, I'd take a Tt over a Panaflo anyday ......I suppose you'll tell me now that the Tt is way off in MTBF ratings too..........

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HAHAA Tt, more reliable then Panaflow..... funny.

 

[powerMarkymark]

I like Thermaltake products.

 

[Rogue 2]

I have the TT 420W PS you referenced, got it from NewEgg, and I'm a satisfied customer. It's better than the 3-ounce power supply that came with my cheap-o case!

 

[aurellie1]

It is true that thermaltake did some very loud and stupid products in history.
Today thermaltake still makes loud and flashy stuff, but they make some great products as well.

Their fanless product line is at least 2 spears ahead of zalman products. Instead of 9000rpm turbines, you can now see loads of pipelines in their products.

They rip off most things (like tsunami) from other manufacturers, but it is still high quality - just cheaper.
Also, they came with some inovative products, like Sonic Tower, powerfull fan-less PSUs, and videocard heatsinks.

That said, i think most statements on this forums about thermaltake are simply - bullshit.

Please excuse my bad english language.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Tt remains flashy entry level. They CPU Coolers are DOMINATED by Zalman and Thermalright in every category. Their PSU's are very weak for high end, and are only meant for entry level computers. The 480Tt is a waste of money, however the 420 if you need a back up PSU or something is very nice bang for your buck. However again they are not meant to compete with the big name brands. Their cases (w/ the exception of the Tsunami) are based on other manf. designs, and they just put more fans in the computer than absolutely necessary. in fact they do nothing but 1. make noise, and 2. create a mini vacuum in the PC starving other components for air.

The only Tt product i would recommend (the 420Watt PSU for entry level however) is the Tsunami. I think it is better than the Wave Master especially since it has 120mm fans as compared to 80mm.

-Kevin

 

[CalvinHobbes]

I just built a system with a TT Tsunami Dream Tower. The case is nice. Excellent fit and finish. Great cooling. The drive rails they use are screwless, which is really cool. There's rubber gromets on the HD cage. I was impressed.

I also have a Lian-Li case which I love.

I also went with an Aspire 520W PSU. Most people on here hate Aspire. All of the rails are rock solid exactly where you'd expect to see them. No different from my Antec PSU.

 

[Spike]

Originally posted by: charlietee
My personal experience with TheramlTake products is not good.

After seeing multiple ThermalTake power supply's with rails bad enough to cook motherboards and CPU's they have made my do not recommend list.

I also find their fans way to loud...They dont call them Tornado's for nothing...And compared to just about any other fan manufacturer find their "claimed" DBA versus CFM ratings almost laughable.

I personally find that much better quality products can be purchased for the same money.

It is my humble opinion that ThermalTake power supply's have to be the worst bang for the buck supply's out there.

I have worked on 3 box's in the last 3 months that had the 480's and all three suffered crispy hardware because of low and extremely unstable rails...Best one had 11.46 on the 12 volt rail.

I am sure that there are people who love their products and recommend them to anybody that ask.

I am just not one of them.

MY TT Silent Purepower 480 runs at 11.86 and never moves anymore. This might be slightly low compared to some, but it is within spec and like I said, is completly stable. It was a little jumpy (11.78-11.92) before I isntalled my 6800GT, then it went completely still. Not complaining, just though it was funny...

-spike

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Rogue 2
I guess if you're used to BMW, Ford sucks. And if you're used to Yugo, Ford's an upgrade. Maybe TT's the Ford of the computing world?

Nah.. Hyundai. (as in, "Kia Sophia")

I have a friend with a TT Xaser (3? 5? I don't know) case, and it's well-built, solid, metal door, built-in fan-controller, etc. He has had problems with the PSU not powering on if his UV CC light is turned on, he has to turn it on after booting, but other than that it works. This is with an NF2 board, XP2800 CPU, 3 HDs, couple of opticals, 5-6 case fans, and the CC light. To me, that seems like a "480W" PSU should handle that, but I'm not sure how much the CC light takes, I've never used one myself.

I wasn't impressed by the fact that the factory-stock TT case fans were orange, and sleeve-bearing besides. You would hope that they would have used BB fans, but perhaps that's too much to ask for a $200-ish case.

I can't say about case cooling; my friend just leaves his case open all the time anyways. (With the fans running, even - don't ask me why.)

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Lazee
I remember i bought a TT HSF Volcano 7+ and the bottom was anything but Smooth. I didnt feel like sanding it down so I RMA'd it and got back another one... with the same rough surface.

TT's quality is garbage.

That reminds me.. I installed a TT Spark III+ Cu HSF on someone's P4 Northy rig, and they were having CPU-overheating problems. I think I recall when I installed it, the center copper portion had some "waviness" to it, it wasn't completely smooth.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: charlietee
My personal experience with TheramlTake products is not good.

After seeing multiple ThermalTake power supply's with rails bad enough to cook motherboards and CPU's they have made my do not recommend list.

I have worked on 3 box's in the last 3 months that had the 480's and all three suffered crispy hardware because of low and extremely unstable rails...Best one had 11.46 on the 12 volt rail.

Uh-oh, sounds like issues with the TT 480W PSUs aren't isolated ones. :|

I kind of agree with the comments about TT's fan ratings - they definately have used some "artistic license" in describing them. The factory-stock TT sleeve-bearing fans running in my friend's Xaser case, while they did push some air, seemed slightly loud too. For the same (subjective) noise level, I think that Sunon BB fans push more air.

 

[smc13]

"Nah.. Hyundai. (as in, "Kia Sophia")"

Huh? Hyundai and Kia are two different auto manufacturers. Kia made the Sophia, which is why it was called the Kia Sophia instead of the Hyundai Sophia.

http://www.kia.com/
http://www.hyundaiusa.com

 

[Ackmed]

Their cases look like crap to me. The Xaser's especially. Too gaugy, too flashy, and just stupid looking. Looks like a ricer case, for kids.

 

[Spike]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Lazee
I remember i bought a TT HSF Volcano 7+ and the bottom was anything but Smooth. I didnt feel like sanding it down so I RMA'd it and got back another one... with the same rough surface.

TT's quality is garbage.

That reminds me.. I installed a TT Spark III+ Cu HSF on someone's P4 Northy rig, and they were having CPU-overheating problems. I think I recall when I installed it, the center copper portion had some "waviness" to it, it wasn't completely smooth.

Well, there were some "waves" on the bottom of my Alpha PAL8045 heatsink and they are supposed to make some of the best around, so this issue is not just TT.

This thread is getting pretty funny, it was a simple question and now it's just a bunch of people looking for a place to complain about TT. Yes, they are a budget brand (just look at the prices!) but in my opinion and alot of others, they are a decent budget brand and probably the best out there.

Though I have only owned a few of their products none except my old dragon orb HSF have failed or not worked according to spec. Thats more than I can say for alot of other "good" brands that I have purchased and had to return/replace.

-spike

 

[columbiaflier]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Rogue 2
I wasn't impressed by the fact that the factory-stock TT case fans were orange, and sleeve-bearing besides. You would hope that they would have used BB fans, but perhaps that's too much to ask for a $200-ish case.

I have a Lian-Li PC-75B which is a $200-ish case. Lian-Li stocks this case (and their other cases similiar to this) with sleeve-bearing fans. But I doubt you're going to bash Lian-Li for this because the "in" thing to do is bash Thermaltake and not Lian-Li.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: smc13
"Nah.. Hyundai. (as in, "Kia Sophia")"
Huh? Hyundai and Kia are two different auto manufacturers. Kia made the Sophia, which is why it was called the Kia Sophia instead of the Hyundai Sophia.

Hyundai Motor took over Kia Motors in 1998
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Btw, Toyota and Lexus are the same company too, if you didn't know.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: columbiaflier

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
I wasn't impressed by the fact that the factory-stock TT case fans were orange, and sleeve-bearing besides. You would hope that they would have used BB fans, but perhaps that's too much to ask for a $200-ish case.

I have a Lian-Li PC-75B which is a $200-ish case. Lian-Li stocks this case (and their other cases similiar to this) with sleeve-bearing fans. But I doubt you're going to bash Lian-Li for this because the "in" thing to do is bash Thermaltake and not Lian-Li.

Actually, you're quite wrong on that, I simply did not know that Lian-Li also sells their case with included sleeve-bearing fans as factory-stock. Major :thumbsdown: for Lian-Li too.

 

[VRXJudge]

System Coolers (systemcoolers.com) loved the W0014 TruePower 480Watt PSU. The 120mm Thunderblade case fans are 21 dBA/78 CFM. The only reason people thought they ran louder was because the fans were moving that much air over the fan guards/filters to make more noise. TT has some great products, like the Tsunami Dream, and the Shark. Their HSF's are real loud, but they make many piped solutions now.

BTW. Hyundai makes some very nice cars now (or at least ~2 years ago when I last checked they did).

 

[doublejbass]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: smc13
"Nah.. Hyundai. (as in, "Kia Sophia")"
Huh? Hyundai and Kia are two different auto manufacturers. Kia made the Sophia, which is why it was called the Kia Sophia instead of the Hyundai Sophia.

Hyundai Motor took over Kia Motors in 1998
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links

Btw, Toyota and Lexus are the same company too, if you didn't know.

Smackdown.