What's your favorite flavor?

[Nothinman]

Oh I know, as I said, it's an annoyance. My point was just that you can't depend on anything being where you expect it from one distro to the next. Granted, it's usually fairly easy to find, but you shouldn't have to try to find it, it *should* be consistent, imho.

It should and most things are, but some people *cough*RedHat*cough* have odd ideas about where some things should be like /etc/httpd vs /etc/apache. To me the latter makes more sense since it's the name of the package and you could easily have more than one HTTP daemon installed at once. That and they don't have man pages for all of the binaries they install, those are the two most annoying things about RH IMO.

Now that Ubuntu 6 was released more people should switch over...

Any reasons as to why Ubuntu 6.06 is such a big deal?

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: IamDavid
Now that Ubuntu 6 was released more people should switch over...

As a longtime Redhat/CentOS/Fedora advocate, I must admit that at this point, I fully agree. Though the release article on 6.06 LTS is the tipping point, I have been mulling this over for months now. It is becoming apparent that Debian/Ubuntu is the future.

I am still using CentOS and Fedora, and I will for a while and I'm happy with it, but I have to say I think anyone who is starting out would make a mistake not to go with either Ubuntu or Debian.

I do still think that there is a bigger community around Fedora, and if you are going to find detailed instructions on setting up anything, you are going to find it based on Fedora or Redhat, but that tide is shifting. At the rate things are going, I would guess that in a year, Ubuntu and/or Debian will become the standard linux distro that it becomes imperative for software to support.

My biggest roadblock right now is two things: 1st, the extensive documentation I have written internally for our CentOS servers. And 2nd, deciding if Ubuntu or Debian is the way to go for the server OS.

Nothinman: read this.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Neither Redhat nor Canonical contributed to OpenSSH when they were recently asking for money. Of course, neither did Suse or Mandriva. Screw'em all.

 

[Nothinman]

Nothinman: read this.

I hate press releases, I was hoping for something that specifically described why Dapper is supposed to be so much better than Breezy. The whole long term support and Sun deal will convince some people that Ubuntu is now a player in the server market, but I was hoping for technical reasons.

 

[SleepWalkerX]

You mean like a highlights page?

Like this maybe?

http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/dapperbeta

Unfortunately there's no dapper final page and the rc page has less info, but all that stuff should apply to the final.

 

[Pythias]

Slackware ackbar!

 

[IamDavid]

nm

 

[eplebnista]

KNOPPIX

 

[Praetor]

Gentoo. I like watching code fly by, it makes me feel smart.

Seriously though, I use gentoo on all my boxes. I tried Ubunutu when the craze first started, then again a few months ago, wasn't impressed. Started out with Slack ages ago. Went to Red Hat 4. Moved on to Mandrake and suck with it for 5-9 releases. Moved back to slack. Then moved onto my own, hand rolled Linux From Scratch.

Been with Gentoo for 4 years now. Tried moving my server to Win2003 for a period, but went back to Gentoo.

Anyway, isn't this a repost?

 

[stupidkid]

Gentoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[nweaver]

I moved off gentoo after learning a few things. I like to USE my linux box, rather then watch stuff compile all the time. I use mostly debian with a dash of Ubuntu thrown in (lappy) for good mix.

 

[imported_LoKe]

Ubuntu, but I'll be looking for a copy of OpenSuSe

 

[sebastienmaass]

Can someone compare Gentoo and Ubuntu?

Which is more begginer friendly, which has more features, why take one over the other etc...

thanks,

 

[nweaver]

Ubuntu is easier, and lots faster to install

Gentoo has tweakage factor, and very customizable

ubuntu has access to lots of apps, but I think Gentoo's portage has it eaked out just a hair more. Gentoo ha s few more drivers (I have an Alteon NIC that debian/ubuntu won't compile into the kernel.

 

[flawlssdistortn]

I enjoy Gentoo because it is such a great DIY experience. I carefully researched and chose the parts for my computer, and so for the software I didn't want to just throw some proprietary blob on it. With Gentoo, basically every piece is there because you explicity put it there. You have total control. It's your computer.

 

[Nothinman]

ubuntu has access to lots of apps, but I think Gentoo's portage has it eaked out just a hair more

According to packages.gentoo.org there's ~11,000 package in Portage. It's more than last time I checked, but there's ~18,000 in Debian sid and thus Ubuntu. And I would say that package quality is just as important and IMO Debian package quality is a good bit higher than Gentoo.

With Gentoo, basically every piece is there because you explicity put it there.

Not true, portage will compile and install dependencies that you didn't explicitly ask for automatically.

 

[IamDavid]

Why do people think Gentoo is more "tweakable" then any other linux OS?

 

[Brazen]

Because people are stupid. Any linux distro is tweakable. Some just force you to do it, others' set sane defaults so you don't have to.

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

ubuntu has access to lots of apps, but I think Gentoo's portage has it eaked out just a hair more

According to packages.gentoo.org there's ~11,000 package in Portage. It's more than last time I checked, but there's ~18,000 in Debian sid and thus Ubuntu. And I would say that package quality is just as important and IMO Debian package quality is a good bit higher than Gentoo.

Can you show where you got those numbers from? I'm trying to look at packages.gentoo.org and packages.debian.org, but I can't seem to actually find some numbers. 11,000 seems kinda light for Gentoo considering how easy it is to upload ebuilds.

This link says there are over 24,000 ebuilds in the gentoo portage tree today.

 

[drag]

I think that may have to do with how they are counted.

Is it counting the numerious ebuilds that have multiple versions aviable? Is it counting packages that are aviable on all supported platforms?

Because with Debian the 18,000 would be all aviable packages for the x86 platform, including contrib and non-free, I beleive. There aren't any duplicate packages.

How that compares to Gentoo I don't know. But Gentoo does in fact have lots and lots of ebuilds. A lot more package then most distros.

 

[Nothinman]

Can you show where you got those numbers from? I'm trying to look at packages.gentoo.org and packages.debian.org, but I can't seem to actually find some numbers. 11,000 seems kinda light for Gentoo considering how easy it is to upload ebuilds.

If you look at http://packages.gentoo.org/categories/ it says very clearly at the bottom of the page "A total of 11174 packages exist in portage."

And part of the problem with Gentoo is how 'easy it is to upload ebuilds'. There's very little, if any, QA done on the packages in Gentoo so even if the number of packages is higher, and I would be surprised if that is true, the average quality of the packages is much lower than that of Debian. Part of using a Linux distribution is trusting the package maintainers to do what's right and there's no way I'd trust my system to Gentoo developers.

And for Debian's stats, I did 'apt-cache stat's. That includes a few packages from external repositories, but not many.

This link says there are over 24,000 ebuilds in the gentoo portage tree today.

And they're authoritative, how?

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Can you show where you got those numbers from? I'm trying to look at packages.gentoo.org and packages.debian.org, but I can't seem to actually find some numbers. 11,000 seems kinda light for Gentoo considering how easy it is to upload ebuilds.

If you look at http://packages.gentoo.org/categories/ it says very clearly at the bottom of the page "A total of 11174 packages exist in portage."

And part of the problem with Gentoo is how 'easy it is to upload ebuilds'. There's very little, if any, QA done on the packages in Gentoo so even if the number of packages is higher, and I would be surprised if that is true, the average quality of the packages is much lower than that of Debian. Part of using a Linux distribution is trusting the package maintainers to do what's right and there's no way I'd trust my system to Gentoo developers.

And for Debian's stats, I did 'apt-cache stat's. That includes a few packages from external repositories, but not many.

Oh ok, was stuck at the main page. Didn't go into the categories page.

Some might actually say that since the source code is focused on more in Gentoo (since installing packages revolves around this..) than Debian (where most people focus on just the binaries), its constantly up for scrutiny thus less sloppy coding. But I guess quality depends on each person's opinion.

Originally posted by: Nothinman

This link says there are over 24,000 ebuilds in the gentoo portage tree today.

And they're authoritative, how?

I can place enough trust in them. It looks like they've been keeping track of packages for a while. And apparently they're right if you include multiple versions.

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-3430576.html

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but your command includes multiple versions too, no?

 

[kaioshade]

Debian for me. Love that distro.

 

[drag]

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but your command includes multiple versions too, no?

nope

$ apt-cache stats
Total package names : 24011 (960k)
Normal packages: 18212
Pure virtual packages: 299
Single virtual packages: 1412
Mixed virtual packages: 220
Missing: 3868
Total distinct versions: 18585 (892k)
Total dependencies: 122596 (3433k)
Total ver/file relations: 20358 (326k)
Total Provides mappings: 3443 (68.9k)
Total globbed strings: 95 (1041)
Total dependency version space: 480k
Total slack space: 70.6k
Total space accounted for: 5751k

· Total distinct versions is the number of package versions
found in the cache; this value is therefore at least equal to
the number of total package names. If more than one distribu-
tion (both "stable" and "unstable", for instance), is being
accessed, this value can be considerably larger than the num-
ber of total package names.

So that it's only multiple versions if you have multiple versions of Debian enabled.. I only have unstable.

With testing + unstable + stable I get 33905 packages.

edit:
btw that is with contrib and non-free. Also I have one third party repo setup for restricted formats and such. (but that is only for sid)

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Wow so that settles it. Debian has more packages.